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VPS providers for Asia?
Are there any good VPSes in the Asia region?
I'd want locations in either one of these (in order) : Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore.
I'll be using the VPS mainly as a VPN from China, Indonesia, and to host some stuffs.
I need servers with:
- at least 100Mbps of uplink,
- at least 200GB transfer,
- at least 512MB RAM,
- at least 10GB of SSD space,
- CentOS distro option,
- x86_64 arch.
Requirements:
- Payable with Paypal (with balance recharge or stuff),
- No billing agreement with Paypal,
- Less than $5/mo flat monthly / quarterly (Currency doesn't have to be USD).
I'd also love if they can get less than 150ms average ping to either 140.205.130.99 or 180.149.132.47
I have been eyeing for Vultr ($2.5) but some Billing Agreement with Paypal had to be made which means I can't borrow someone's Paypal to pay. I've also seen Linode's offers for $5 but yeah same problem. Paypal is supported but no registration without credit card on file. I want to avoid payments by credit cards and billing agreements at all costs. I am currently using Arubacloud now, their $1 package surprised me greatly, I registered without credit card and without PayPal billing agreement, it's like prepaid recharge-with-paypal stuff. To be honest I'm satisfied, but what a pity... connecting from China (to their Italy datacenter) nets you a latency too high.
I also don't mind paying for a reasonable set-up fee.
I prefer registrations in English but I also don't mind Japanese / Chinese as long as it supports PayPal and doesn't force me into a billing agreement.
Are there any providers that fit these?
Thanks before!
Edit : formatting
I'm likely down to these two
ConoHa by GMO (1c, 512, 20SSD, ultd@100Mbps, ¥630), I'm a little bit paranoid because of this thread
OneProvider(http://oneprovider.com) (1c, 512, 20SSD, 1TB@1Gbps, $5), I'm a little bit paranoid because of this thread
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@deployvm in case Russian Far East is an option too
Check out http://oneprovider.com/onecloud/ssd-virtual-servers, they have HK, Japan and Singapore, and support Paypal. But I am not sure if they require the agreement.
China (at least in my location) has bad routing to Russian Far East even when they are geographically close (I'm in Heilongjiang province), and I am going to use the VPS to connect to servers in Japan often. Thanks for the reply though!
loc mjj ?
Well, I'd like to post the ping results from our Korean & Taiwan nodes incase you are interested though we do not qualify for the pricing as mentioned in your post.
Korea 1: http://i.imgur.com/IsdSfOd.png | http://i.imgur.com/RkDV7L6.png
Korea 2: http://i.imgur.com/32g7K3q.png | http://i.imgur.com/iztQDnt.png
Taiwan: http://i.imgur.com/07tG1pd.png | http://i.imgur.com/HKucZjo.png
India: http://i.imgur.com/dR0oU13.png | http://i.imgur.com/JzWgzGK.png
(Note: Our Korean & Indian nodes are all SSD)
If you can wait for 2-3 days we are setting the new Korean node with Direct China (CN2) connection but it will be quite expensive.
More Information: Korea VPS | Taiwan VPS | India VPS
EDIT: You can find more providers here ExoticVM.com
I checked it out and it doesn't seem to require billing agreements. Can you change your billing period duration mid-service? The quarterly / (semi-annual) discounts look nice but I'd like to try them out first. Also, since this will be for personal use, I will first wait and see whether there are any other cheaper options offered by others or not! Thanks, I'll surely keep this in mind.
The servers in Korea and Taiwan do indeed look interesting but they're a little bit out of my budget as a student
Thanks for the offer though!
Do drop by our website to have a look too
Hello,
Our Public Cloud zone in Singapore might feet.
Here is our Looking glass, http://lg.sg.ikoula.com/
Test it and tell me if interested.
Latency is a little bit too high for 180.149.132.47 but it's ok for 140.205.130.99. Although latency is good with two ISPs of mine (CERNET) and China Mobile.
Are the prices in your site correct? I think I'm not able to find the info for the SG VPSes and I think €6.49 (the prices for your server in EU) is a little bit too high for me. What are plans for the VPS in SG? Also, how much transfer can you provide in a month? Can't seem to find the answer anywhere in the site.
Thanks for replying!
Our singapore vps come with china route via pccw and singtel. But we can't offer less than USD5. you may have a look.
@pluush Price plans and all the details are displayed on the page https://express.ikoula.com/en/public-cloud
You have to switch to ASIA regions view the different plans.
Singapore prices are higher than Europe (infrastructure costs) but trafic is unmetered (@10mbits/s).
First plan is 6.60$/month (5.99 €).
Nb : You can also pm me if you like to.
i test from my contry and compred with DO
We're in SIngapore, Jakarta and Hong Kong (and more to come) as well as Sydney, AU
Here are my traceroute logs :
CERNET DigitalOcean tracert
CERNET Ikoula tracert
China Mobile DigitalOcean tracert
China Mobile Ikoula tracert
CERNET is our campus network, tested at Harbin Institute of Technology, Heilongjiang, and
China Mobile is CM Heilongjiang 4G network
Chinese routing is pretty nasty, eh?
I'm not sure about 10Mbps line - my 4G is faster than 10Mbps and I intend to share this connection for VPN & file sharing use so I'd like 100Mbps at least - I don't think I need unmetered that much if I can have 1T@100mbps... also the prices are a little bit over my limit. Sorry I might have to pass on this offer... but I'll remember it! Thanks for your offer, Ikoula!
I have seen your site, seems over my budget if I choose to pay monthly ($7 for OpenVZ, $8 for KVM). What about Looking Glass / test IPs? The link for Looking Glass in your site does not seem to work correctly. Thanks for coming by!
student?may be the best choice is to buy shadowsocks service considering your budget is not adequate and requirement is a bit high. if you cannot find any satisfactory service. you can think about my ss service.
I do run a ss service but from Italy. I pay €1/mo for the service (1GB RAM, 1T BW). I also use it to host some file sharing site, and to my surprise it works surprisingly well albeit being very cheap. It has been up for 3d 18:28, last downtime being reboot initiated from my side. I also get 70MB/s throughput wget-ing to Vultr's France speedtest server. Sad thing is pings are inadequate for proxy use.
Because Vultr can actually fulfill all my requirements for $2.5 (or $5 because I heard their $2.5 packages are out of stock), I think my budget is enough? I just don't want to get into billing agreements.
I could use some ss service when I can't get any good VPS though. Maybe I can continue to host my sites on Aruba. Where do you live and where is your VPS server? Is the route good to China?
Thanks for replying!
Your plans do look a little more expensive than my maximum budget
Thanks for the offer though!
Whoa - your plans seem to be aimed for business/organization/enterprise users when the minimum RAM is 2G. They are of course out of my budget
Anyway, thanks for coming by!
maybe HK or JP best for u
Means direct China. Your budget is not realistic for that in any way. PCCW/CN2 charges 50$+/Mbit for direct China, which comes to 150$+(!!)/TB.
How is 150ms that direct? Vultr's Japan Looking Glass have 100~105ms ping to both of the IPs. Is it inconsiderate for me to use Vultr's pricing as my budget? Please teach me since I'm not an expert in this field. I think I would've used them if not for their billing agreements. Or, is Vultr one-of-a-kind in this case?
P.S. ConoHa's servers do seem efficient enough. I get ~105ping when using CERNET and ~160ms on China Mobile when testing to cnh.romanrm.net. These are my tracert results from the 2ISPs I'll be using.
Pardon my second test I tested directly from my mobile.
I'm quite sure the pings I provided should have better luck since it belongs to Baidu and Alibaba, not normal consumer/user IP.
Also an offer above offered me a VPS in Korea without Direct China (not set up yet) and consistently able to get <50ms to one of the IPs...?
Also, ConoHa's servers run for ¥630 (~$5.7), are there any clear drawbacks?
Thanks for coming by!
The RTT from Tokyo-LAX-Tokyo is 100ms+ alone, then to China is at least 50ms on top - likely more.
Realistic from JP to China via US are 200ms, Tokyo-Beijing is to Chinanet ~180ms alone:
Your province is more.
Vultr in this case at 100ms IS direct China already:
Thanks for your tests! You could see I actually dropped the 150ms ping requirement from the main points in my list. I don't have trouble if it goes a little bit above that. Probably a inefficient AS route of CN <-> SG/TW/HK/KR/JP <-> VPS server country is also good for 150ms (?) as long as it doesn't go to the U.S. (I mean, like, what?) and if it's hard to fulfill 150ms, I think 200ms tops would be fine by me too. If the price is cheap enough.
Sad thing is that it seems China Mobile is redirecting all their international requests to their AS in Guangdong Province <-> Hong Kong. It's sad really as I live really far away from Guangdong. Come on China Mobile give me Japan / KR peering already. Maybe they wanted to keep the infrastructure simple for GFW. Funny thing is that they're faster than Unicom in most of the tests I made. I don't know what AS Unicom is using because I'm not on them now, but I'd assume a company that big would have their own. Or CN2.
I'm just rounding up possible providers and will probably choose from one that has the best price/latency ratio. Right now other than Vultr (forced billing), ConoHa looks sweet enough to me.
And since this is Low End Talk, asking for something above $7 (as stated in their Selling rule) is just not the reason I register here. Also, I can do fine with 200GB BW if 1T is not a thing I can get with my budget. It boggles my mind somehow if I can get 1Gbit link@1T in Italy with 1GB for €1 and can not get anywhere near that in Asia even paying 5 times more. Even 100Mbps looks sweet now.
Thanks for the reply again!
That is not sad - that is what you want. The only other option as CT/CU occupy the majority of capacity on cables to US/JP would be over Taiwan which will probably never happen.
The CN central gateway for CM is pretty much GD (thus Shenzhen) and on to HK, which is also the reason why international quality is much higher (we can argue why that is, but the majority would probably agree that CMs network planning is a fair bit better than CT/CU).
You can get a VPS with CM peering pretty cheap in HK, but you'll never get any good CT/CU for that price then - JP/KR are in advantage here for various (mostly legacy) reasons, but if the upstream has no HKIX w/ CM you end up routing CM via CT/CU (at expensive prices and worse quality) or via US.
Telecom uses a dedicated one for HLJ - https://bgpview.io/asn/AS17897#info
Unicom runs on the default AS4837.
CM is AS132525 for their local company (the usual "$province Mobile Communication Company Limited"), which is singlehomed CM GD (as eg. AS24547 Hebei, AS24445 Henan etc... are, all of the provincial networks are, even Beijiing/Shandong/Shanghai ).
That is not "inefficient", that is the default. Routing in Asia to CN outside of CM is pretty damn expensive, you'll end up with PCCW, CN2 or a DC that happens to have this in mix cheaply until it is abused to fuck by 10k Chinese VPN users and dropped.
As you speak Chinese you can ask CU/CT why they charge me and anyone else 50$+ per Mbit in HK/KR/TW/SG while the real cost to transport it to mainland from any of these is barely 4$... i know the answer but it should give you an idea what exactly goes wrong here - Which is not us international but rather CT/CU fucking things up.
Aside of this it COULD be fairly simple - CT/CU run tons of fiber also to GD/HK, they could tomorrow open 500G public peering each on HKIX, but that would mean less money.
In EU pretty much anyone is on at least one if not more major exchanges and peers off 30-80% of the traffic for a few cents/Mbit - DECIX/AMSIX/LINX each do a Tbit+ 24/7.
Ironically CT/CU/CM actually have ports there and at times route EU things over it for near free, but the ping is obviously even higher than a US route (regardless if it crosses US back to CN or uses the links via the Suez canal).
Thanks for the long explanation! Now you made me a happy customer of China Mobile even when they route things thru Hong Kong (thus no direct peering to KR/JP even when geographically close). I'm happy to know CM is not as shady as CU/CT. So they sell bandwidth to the outsiders, not the insiders who subscribe to them eh.
China Mobile's 4G network surprises even me - I could get speeds upwards of 60Mbit/s to speedtest servers in Jakarta, Indonesia. Tested from Heilongjiang ping is around 130ms. I think I can replicate the results now, but I'm running low on data and noon will probably only net me 30+Mbps. That's quite a feat imo. Maybe from Guangdong we can have <100ms ping. That also explains why my one of two Indonesian ISPs I use is crap when it comes to connecting to Dota servers in China (200+ms, they're hosted by CU&CT).
Unfortunately mobile data is as always expensive as heck. It's a pity that CM mainly focuses on mobile network - I don't know any landline ISPs who use their backbone now. I wonder why.
On a side note (offtopic), about CM, I think they have turned off their 3G network almost completely, leaving the network 2G/4G only. They have ridiculous amounts of spectrum (if I'm not mistaken): 60MHz on B38, 40MHz on B39, and 50MHz B40 all for their TD-LTE network. Their 4G network is fast, I often disconnect myself from wifi (CERNET) to use 4G and leave it at it.
Anyway, I will only use two ISPs in China until I end my stay here, which is CERNET and CM. I will never switch to CU/CT so I don't care much about my VPS' performance in their networks, I consider my VPS is almost ultimately for myself. I am keeping my mobile number anyway, moving things to a new number for everything is pretty hard. I don't know about CERNET's AS, but those 'cheap VPS with CM pairing' VPS services in Hong Kong do indeed look good to me. If you don't mind, can you point to some providers that has CM peering? (Or offer me some services if they're cheap?)
Again, thank you very much!
There are some, but not in HLJ IIRC. Will research and send you links, cannot really read their websites but CM does have downstream customers with BGP in some provinces (same as "dual homed" in Beijing/SH for CT/CU still, but with CN2 this becomes sort of rare/not needed anymore).
CERNET is AS4538, with some ASNs formerly used for downstream/specific universities:
https://bgpview.io/asn/4538#prefixes-v4
Upstreams are mostly, as you would expect, CT and CU but they have TATA, Telstra and HE also in use - CERNET generally has external very good connectivity (for Chinese standards), rivaling (if not better than) CM.
@randvegeta has good HK VPS out of budget (starts at 10$/mo), at this price i don't know any (but admittedly not my normal operation range) - will see if i find someone though
off course china-friendly, if you want you own vps and consider you live in heilongjiang provice ,may be some russian vps is your choice.but good connection means high price.i suppose it is the Khabarovsk that you can focus on
He uses CM. CM has no RU link.
No - my ISP CM routes International bandwidth thru GD. My ISP CERNET pings 400+ms to Russian Far East speedtest servers. Even the servers in Far East are closer to me than the ones in Beijing but the ping is ridiculous.
Even CERNET does not seem to have RU link.
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I'm giving a shot to OneProvider. They do not seem to have Tokyo option on their $5 plan available. I think I also have seen someone mention their $5 plan not being available for quite some time in JP. I have been trying to set the server up in HK too but I get 'Unexpected Error'. Since they ask to pay before I'm able to even see the selection for the servers, I paid. I'm contacting support and see how it goes from there, asking both plans available in JP and why an error when setting up in HK.
@rm_ Thanks for your reply and your page at http://romanrm.net/vps/japan. It has been helpful for me to do tracerts to providers – ConoHa's peering looks quite decent from both my ISPs. but after looking for a while I am afraid I could not register for the ¥630 plan for English customers - minimum is ¥900 in the English server selection page. I did not pay after registering and after quitting and logging in they presented me with that page (where I saw the plans) but with a popup telling me to go back to recharging. I have tried logging in from their Japanese page – but it always redirects me to the English page for order processing and I think I can't find any language change option mid-setup to see the offer for Japanese users. This cost constraint has made me just go try OneProvider for the time being.
Probably should have registered using the Japanese language all the way since they'll accept PayPal in JPY too, and they do state their ¥630 offer in the Japanese version of the front page. I cannot change the language now - maybe I'll register another account with them if I really want to try making the cheap one later. Since OneProvider has not been offering Japan in the $5 plan for quite some time, can you update the prices in your page?
Thanks again, everyone!