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    VMVPS Gold Awards (2013 Q1) result released!

    VMVPSVMVPS Member
    edited April 2013 in General

    Hello, guys, I am the administrator of VMVPS.com, am independent VPS Blog from China. At the begining of the year 2013, I started to collect reviews about all vps providers. And try to give them a score. After 3 months collecting, I finally launch the results of 2013 Q1 VPS Gold Awards!

    This results are based on 165 WHT posts, and details about scoring has been mentioned in the original post.

    The Gold Awards go to

    1.HudsonValleyHost
    2.KnownHost
    3.NatcoWeb/RocketVPS/WiredTree

    And I myself titled RamNode as the "Editor's Choice" Award (In fact, I have no idea about whom I should @, maybe you guys can help me about these ;P)

    The original post is here: http://www.vmvps.com/gold-vmvps-2013-quarter-1-best-vps-provider-collection-final-results.html

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    Comments

    • I went there and my monitor started spitting out rice. No Engwish for me.

      It's UNCLEAR what criteria here or how these were collected. 165 WHT posts? Did you start a thread on WHT? Link please?

      Are any of these winners and editors choice even US West Coast... I know HudsonValley isn't... Ditto for RamNode... Strange results from a seemingly strange poll.

    • IvanIvan Member
      edited April 2013

      Sketchy. Other than RamNode, all the other providers I've never heard of.

    • KnownHost: http://www.knownhost.com/network.html
      Dallas, California and New Jersey

      Natcoweb: Clifton, New Jersey

      Weird a%% results.... Chinese like these locations?

      Talk about a slow boat to China...

    • bnmklbnmkl Member

      Mr RamNode is @Nick_A.

      They seem like possibly genuine results. KnownHost, RocketVPS, and RamNode have had great words mentioned about them here.

      Though, KnownHost and RocketVPS are the same host ?

      -

    • @bnmkl said: Though, KnownHost and RocketVPS are the same host ?

      AFAIK they are o_O

    • Nick_ANick_A Top Provider

      @bnmkl said: Though, KnownHost and RocketVPS are the same host ?

      Yep, managed and unmanaged brands respectively.

      Not sure whether to trust Google Translate on that URL, but thanks!

      RamNode: High Performance Cloud VPS
      NYC - LA - ATL - SEA - NL - DDoS Protection
    • VMVPSVMVPS Member
      edited April 2013

      @pubcrawler Sorry for the inconvenience. I wanna use less words here to explain since I have typed too many Chinese words in my Blog. I collected 165 independent reviews. and score them fro VPS providers. Since all the reviews are from WHT, it can't stand for Chinese Clients. But you may also find that Chinese Clients do buy East Coast VPSes although they have poor connection to China Mianland for some reasons.

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    • @VMVPS I know and uses HudsonValleyHost since Dec 2010 http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/hudsonvalleyhost-3-256mb-openvz-vps/ but I never heard of KnownHost, NatcoWeb, RocketVPS, WiredTree at LEB

      Happy to be alive and kicking!

    • So were the reviews from WHT part of a thread or just review randomly posted on WHT?

      Most of the companies picked for top, should have rather high latency and questionable paths to China.

    • VMVPSVMVPS Member

      @pubcrawler In fact, i read all posts' titles and choose those which are "review" topic to score. Trust me, it really take me lots of time :(

      As to the second question, you are quite right. But this rate is mainly for reputation rate. To make it more clear, many Chinese have started an International business which can be regardless of this trouble. If possible, I will make a Chinese-Favor Rate one day. :)

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    • The winners are sticky hosts with WHT who have been consistently spending marketing $$ there. They are good hosts, but not budget friendly at all ( exception of ramnode and rocketvps which is in the borderline actually)

    • JyleeJylee Member, Provider

      Why don't you write an English version?

    • @VMVPS said: But you may also find that Chinese Clients do buy East Coast VPSes although they have poor connection to China Mianland for some reasons.

      Mainly for VPN.

      Serving you the best VPS, Web hosting, dedicated servers and more - Cloud Shards | Query Foundry
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    • Facepalm over this contest. Beyond flawed.

    • CVPS_ChrisCVPS_Chris Member, Provider

      I really think this was well done. I applaud them for this review, very informative.

      ColoCrossing.com - Premier Datacenter and Cloud Solutions for Business

    • matt_securedspeedmatt_securedspeed Member, Provider

      This must have taken a lot of time and effort. Interesting to read (via Google translate). Congrats.

      SecuredSpeed - Fast, Affordable, & Reliable VPS Solutions. Gigabit uplinks, SSD's, native IPv4/IPv6, & instant setup.
    • I CRY FOUL.

      Of course @CVPS_Chris thinks this was well done.

      1.HudsonValleyHost

      Isn't that a CC based company? Buffalo, NY.... yeppers. Word has it, yet another offer posted from CC's internal IPs....

    • KrisKris Member

      @pubcrawler said: 1.HudsonValleyHost

      Isn't that a CC based company? Buffalo, NY

      HVH does use CC for pretty much all nodes. I do know backups nodes are off-network.

      @pubcrawler said: Word has it, yet another offer posted from CC's internal IPs....

      Keep in mind Ernie's in the Hudson Valley area (upstate NY) but not literally around / near ColoCrossing, so different IP areas.

    • zxsdwzxsdw Member

      wei mo ni hao, wei mo zai jian.
      微末你好,微末再见。

    • pubcrawlerpubcrawler Banned
      edited April 2013

      So does anyone actually colo other than @Francisco in Buffalo?

      My hypothesis is that VPS sellers get lured into Buffalo for one reason or another. Let's say pricing is a big piece of it, but other methods that are less savory. Then once they bite the lease to own dedicated servers they probably locked in place due to terms, personal credit guarantee, etc.

      When the providers can't pay the bill to CC, CC steps in and writes up offer and ships it to LEB. Money comes in and that goes to CC.

      Must be a provider on here that dealt with said scenario and ran like hell from CC.

      Who wants to speak of the horror?

    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

      I don't think you're far off the mark.

      Kris has been quite vocal about some of the RTO deals which seem to be quite popular.

      I know a few other people wanted to sign on the RTO's but they were really iffy.

      I got a friend that signed on for a rack with CC but he hasn't put a ton of gear there yet.

      Francisco

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    • pubcrawlerpubcrawler Banned
      edited April 2013

      WTF happened @Francisco with EndofReality? They up and skiddled from CC... Escaped the slaughterhouse. Then look, banned from here and offers from past on LEB all pulled and quiet as cemetery about them.

      Everyone knows how long it was thought EOR was a front company. Now seems they weren't and up and broke ranks, maybe dumped their debt off and told CC to eat crow.

      I don't buy the BS. I read these CC based offers that get posted on LEB and knowing/researching the writing of folks behind many of these companies and past offers, the offers just don't jive with their writing. Not inferring at this point it's the same monkey writing the ads for the at risk/CC owner interest companies, but ummm yeah. Better get the lime out and hide the bodies good.

    • KrisKris Member
      edited April 2013

      @Francisco said: Kris has been quite vocal about some of the RTO deals which seem to be quite popular.

      I was more angry about any lack of SLA, and how it took a week for "dust in the uplink" to be fixed - only after back and forth with support, and being told "this is essentially colo hardware" and we would be charged remote-hands to check further.

      Also, 24 months to RTO a E3... in 24 months that hardware spec will be the Kimsufi Bons Plans.

      I don't work for Hudson Valley Host anymore, but I do know they were not co-lo'ing. They had RTO servers from ColoCrossing.

      I was just angry that when numerous kernels were causing panics, we were offered memtests during production hours. Never swap of drives to new hardware.

      Seeing those palettes of servers, and years in the industry lead me to believe our drives would be swapped to a new machine. Instead, you'll get HDD and memtests on production machines during live hours.

      I could say more but...

      Imgur

    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

      @pubcrawler said: WTF happened @Francisco with EndofReality?

      I don't know. The aussy hasn't talked to anyone in many moons.

      I have my own opinions on CC hosts but I reserve that for the sake of them. A lot of people don't think things through and if I pointed out a lot of things, it wouldn't end too well.

      Francisco

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    • @Kris said: dust in the uplink

      Dust in the uplink? Don't they have proper air conditioning and filtration there?

      Sure takes one dirty a%% facility to have enough dust bunnies to foul up an uplink. Or one dirty mouthed tech with the good old mouth blow hole to clean 'em, err, poorly.

    • I like and respect you @Francisco. In light of the above photo... I say run Forest, run.

    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider
      edited April 2013

      @pubcrawler said: I like and respect you @Francisco. In light of the above photo... I say run Forest, run.

      Thanks :)

      If it wasn't for the buyvm name I wouldn't be able to continue to charge the prices we do in light of everyone competing on resources and price. I've been told by a few hosts that have Buffalo boxes that 2GB VM's just don't really sell over there anymore so you have to be doing 3GB or have a very strong rep to make it move.

      Us? We keep a 99%+ sell out rate in NY and rarely get any cancellations. When we do it's literally a small handful that moves a few days later.

      Kris has a point on the RTO, somewhat. A 4 drive e3 runs about ~$1300. Assuming the RTO isn't $200/m just on the gear, CC isn't make a hell of a lot of profit. They're pretty much acting as a bank for you so they will want to collect some 'interest' on that RTO.

      $200 chassis
      $200 raid card
      $400 in drives
      $240 cpu
      $300 ram
      $100 for misc stuff (8087 cables, heatsinks, admin time to assemble)

      Francisco

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    • pubcrawlerpubcrawler Banned
      edited April 2013

      I've been with more providers than I care to ever admit @Francisco.

      People buy BuyVM because you pull it off. The services work alarmingly well with far less resources being actually sold to folks than elsewhere typically (skip those KVM plans) :) Unsure about your current locations. Fiberhub, oh bandwidth diversity please. Buffalo, well hope you don't get buffaloed:

      tr.v. buf·fa·loed, buf·fa·lo·ing, buf·fa·loes

      1. To intimidate, as by a display of confidence or authority: "The board couldn't buffalo the federal courts as it had the Comptroller" (American Banker).
      2. To deceive; hoodwink: "Too often . . . job seekers have buffaloed lenders as to their competency and training" (H. Jane Lehman).
      3. To confuse; bewilder.

      Good services at low price, you could probably double sales in 12 months. Just saying. Supporting it another story though to handle said growth. Total gift horse you have created. Keep the ponies fed and happy.

      So...

      $1300 server sold for $200/mo @ 24mo RTO = $4800

      $4800 is almost 4x the server cost. Upticks, addons, etc. increase the RTO price. So other revenue streams.

      $4800 - $1300 = $3500

      $3500 / 24 months = $145.83/mo income minus any interest and other incurred costs that inflate the base $1300 server estimated cost.

      Maybe working with $120+ liquidity and have to take ping and power out of that. -$15 on power? Bandwidth = ??? depends on use...

      There's money to be made.

      In theory, 48U should be say 40 of these @ $75 left over working capital a month= $3k per cabinet Even if off on numbers, still cash flow positive. Could be more if higher density.

      Now once you "acquire" those clients or control via payment issues, that $3k per cabinet could multiply quite a bit.

      Heck I did this model with colo facilities many moons ago with them absorbing purchasing of $400k of gear and leasing to own back to us over 2-4 years depending. Only difference was no chance of them owning us/clients as use was solely for our products, so no paid data customers to assume.

    • concerto49concerto49 Member
      edited April 2013

      @pubcrawler said: So does anyone actually colo other than @Francisco in Buffalo?

      We colo with Multacom in LA, but we just haven't made any LEB offers on it yet.

      Buffalo sells have slowed since the crazy deals from CC hit and we haven't been growing in that area. Moved on to Texas and LA focus now.

      Serving you the best VPS, Web hosting, dedicated servers and more - Cloud Shards | Query Foundry
      We operate the network AS62638 | Available in Syd AU and Dallas, Los Angeles and NYC USA
    • @concerto49, do you remember if that's the facility (Multacom) you let me do some network testing/routes on? Was a new premium network mix... Whatever that was, if cost justified somehow, bring that to market. Quite nice.

      But the question @concerto49, was about Buffalo providers at CC. Haven't much else other than dedicated rentals there. Seems like an "issue" there... Mind you purely speculative but see the results in some weird offers from companies I think are floundering and cash strapped with CC.

    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

      No No.

      I'm hoping the RTO isn't $200/m ontop of the base price.

      From what I've heard, Jon charges like $140/m for an e3 with 16 - 32GB RAM, 4 drives, RAID 10 card, etc. That price usually includes some IP's.

      After the RTO is done, the price goes down to $100/m or so.

      It's likely the full RTO price is in the $250 - $300/m range. It's also very likely that Jon will let anyone out of an RTO if they so wish, but whatever payments have been made will now be forfeit.

      Francisco

      BuyVM - Dedicated KVM Slices / Anycast Support! / Stallion Control Panel / Windows 2008, 2012, & 2016! / Unmetered Bandwidth!
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    • concerto49concerto49 Member
      edited April 2013

      @pubcrawler said: @concerto49, do you remember if that's the facility (Multacom) you let me do some network testing/routes on? Was a new premium network mix... Whatever that was, if cost justified somehow, bring that to market. Quite nice.

      That was [email protected] LA. It's just Quadranet with a bit more. However, I've found that they optimize on cost and at busy periods don't perform so well; sometimes worse than Quadranet. There are also other things I'd like to say but I'll remain professional. Rather not go out "bashing" others. At most, no comment.

      Multacom proved to be better - works for China and other places. Spent a month doing extensive network tests against many providers. Internap LA was also evaluated.

      We had a few delays obtaining E5-2630L CPUs and a few other things and hence delayed the launch. That is all. The Juniper switches and some other stuff are already there.

      The future plan is to buy transit from Quadranet and mix together, all good :)

      @pubcrawler said: But the question @concerto49, was about Buffalo providers at CC. Haven't much else other than dedicated rentals there. Seems like an "issue" there... Mind you purely speculative but see the results in some weird offers from companies I think are floundering and cash strapped with CC.

      We do use Buffalo NY with CC. Started there before the disasters occurred. No, not tied to RTOs. However, no point moving. We just stopped promoting and growing in that area.

      I don't think Colocrossing controls the LEB offers. I do have some "proof".

      Serving you the best VPS, Web hosting, dedicated servers and more - Cloud Shards | Query Foundry
      We operate the network AS62638 | Available in Syd AU and Dallas, Los Angeles and NYC USA
    • concerto49concerto49 Member
      edited April 2013

      @Francisco said: From what I've heard, Jon charges like $140/m for an e3 with 16 - 32GB RAM, 4 drives, RAID 10 card, etc. That price usually includes some IP's.

      Wouldn't give me that pricing. Maybe for huge server bundles and hence the quick sale. We pay for a lot more than that sadly.

      @Francisco said: If it wasn't for the buyvm name I wouldn't be able to continue to charge the prices we do in light of everyone competing on resources and price. I've been told by a few hosts that have Buffalo boxes that 2GB VM's just don't really sell over there anymore so you have to be doing 3GB or have a very strong rep to make it move.

      Not touching 2GB/$7 VPS. I still standby this comment right from the start.

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      We operate the network AS62638 | Available in Syd AU and Dallas, Los Angeles and NYC USA
    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider
      edited April 2013

      @concerto49 said: Not touching 2GB/$7 VPS. I still standby this comment right from the start.

      I see no reason to. Sure, I wish my 2GB's sold faster but whatever, those that need them buy them and enjoy them.

      Word is StormVZ was getting a deal in the range I mentioned. I had more than a few big CC clients message me fairly pissed off that Jon had cut the deals. I know of a few others that got in that range w/o doing big buy downs, was literally first boxes to get people going.

      Francisco

      BuyVM - Dedicated KVM Slices / Anycast Support! / Stallion Control Panel / Windows 2008, 2012, & 2016! / Unmetered Bandwidth!
      BuyShared - Shared & Reseller Hosting / cPanel + Softaculous + CloudLinux / Pure SSD! / Free Dedicated IP Address
    • @Francisco said: Word is StormVZ was getting a deal in the range I mentioned. I had more than a few big CC clients message me fairly pissed off that Jon had cut the deals. I know of a few others that got in that range w/o doing big buy downs, was literally first boxes to get people going.

      Hence the cut in network performance. The excuse isn't it costs a lot, but the lower margins. Well if Jon is reading this: maybe if you switch us to those deals wink wink we'll consider getting more servers :p

      Serving you the best VPS, Web hosting, dedicated servers and more - Cloud Shards | Query Foundry
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    • @Francisco said: Word is StormVZ was getting a deal in the range I mentioned.

      No and where did that come from?

      Patrick | INIZ
    • This:

      It's likely the full RTO price is in the $250 - $300/m range. It's also very likely that Jon will let anyone out of an RTO if they so wish, but whatever payments have been made will now be forfeit.

      Those numbers are high. I am privy to one RTO, no names, no quantity... Anonymous. E-3 16GB, assuming 4 drives @ $200/month total.. That would be below the bottom by 20%. Of course something could be afoul as I don't have signed contract in hand, so taking people for their word. But it's a multi server contract :)

      These numbers aren't so razor thin on the profits at scale. Depends on their actual bandwidth use and what is being included and CC's negotiated rates and headroom on the network (idle capacity).

      Now the RTO model where forfeit pay in, of course. You default, you default. No equity. Servers go to someone else. That's honest and how it should be played.

      Something odd going on though, so it appears, with providers underwater there though. I know several providers who can't sell squat in Buffalo, but have liquidity from elsewhere to pay for that idle server or two in BUF. Unsure why they keep draining liquidity...

      @concerto49, 2GB @ < $7.01.. Sure, no need. I frown heavily about such sales BS antics. Glad you aren't biting that market mess.

    • What's wrong with 2GB at $7/m? :)

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    • Kidding ehh @PhilND? :)

      Well it might not always be true, but when you can't sell quality, you start selling filler and prettying up the pig with bulk. Too much of that China syndrome around here.

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