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Netcup's Advent calendar / Adventskalender
Netcup just unleashed the first box of its Adventskalender. It's a cheap .de domain. Not too exciting IMO.
It's going to last for a month.
Do you expect good stuff? Anything you'd like to see offered?
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Yes, their carnival offer please.
https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/163138/netcup-carnival-special-offer-3-33-m-12m-for-4c-4g-160g-ssd#latest
(2C, 4G, 160G SSD for 3,33€/m)
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Too bad there are too many hoarders that buy VPS for idling which prevents others that really need the servers to buy. I was really expecting to grab a RS server or the BF promotion however that is impossible, they are gone in like 5 minutes of which 4 minutes the site is down.
That would be nice indeed! I think it was SSD cached HDD, not pure SSD. A nice deal and a polyvalent box anyway!
Well, at least they had real unlimited traffic. I'm using them as a download server for game server texture packs and updates. Great stuff, quite fast for this purpose. Especially I can push 30 TB a month on a budget. (I'm sure I'm paying netcup enough, to cross-finance this usage.)
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I'd expect something comparable to pop in the next few days. maybe less diskspace, like in the BF deals...
also the RS will come back. afaik during the advent calendar they release more stock and spread it over multiple times per day. watching their twitter might help
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Yep it should not be as hard to grab a deal than it was during this BF. The bigger servers stayed available a little while, but as @gdarko said, most VPSs sold out so fast... We'll see if there is interesting stuff, there will probably be at least a couple of nice VMs available at some point.
Have you been using that much bandwidth for several months? Never had any complain from them? Good to know!
Surprisingly, I got three of their 8GB VPS deals at 7am German time. Which I wanted to replace my K8S Cluster at Contabo, which were nice, but the performance wasnt that great.
But, definitely had problems getting their Webhosting Package later on in the day. Seemingly being early in the morning helped a lot with availability.
Yep, and the bigger machines didn't go as fast as smaller VMs from what I saw. You got a nice deal anyway
Yep, I did ask them if it's fine, and they said pretty much "yeah" - so I just did it.
became his black friday dreams fulfilled by InceptionHosting and HostHatch - amazing providers, amazing deals. Good job.
Such is life unfortunately. People see, people want, people jump in, people lack time to actually do what they thought they wanted it for, people leave it to idle... I've been guilty of that (hopefully not this year, but, well, maybe again!).
Of course those left idle are part of why they can make the offers. If everyone used the cheap units to their full potential it would cost the provider. Knowing that many won't allows them to take the risk of offering better deals do those that do get in in time get genuine bargains.
Today's one is interesting: https://www.netcup.eu/bestellen/produkt.php?produkt=2690
Prozessor: AMD EPYC™ 7702
Prozessorkerne: 4 dediziert
Arbeitsspeicher DDR 4 ECC: 20 GB
Festplatte: 640 GB SSD
16.16€
But already OOS...
Do you guys know if they restock all advent calendar items during the day or just some of them? If they do, is it at random time or is it a way to guess when it's going to be available again?
They start at midnight CET and sometimes restock during the day. Follow their Twitter feed to know more.
Thanks. Do you know if most of the stock is available at midnight, or if sometimes they had good bunch of VMs later on when they restock?
This spec is really a monster to me:
[“Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.”]
if they restock during the day, they usually announce it on twitter...
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I'm still amazed, that this box is twice as powerful as my current netcup server with 8 Intel CPU cores.
Time to switch, if there wouldn't be this insanely long contract term, which is stopping me from ordering.
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Why is it a problem? If you're looking to host your stuff long term & trust them enough to provide good quality during the time of the contract, why would a long contract term be a big deal?
Today: Webhosting 4000 SE ADV20 - 3.33 EUR
https://www.netcup.de/bestellen/produkt.php?produkt=2691
https://www.netcup.eu/bestellen/produkt.php?produkt=2691
No VPS this time...
Nice VPS today:
VPS Vanillekipferl ADV20
4 vCores, KVM-Technologie
10 GB RAM
240 GB SSD (RAID10)
80 TB Traffic ungedrosselt
7.77 €
https://www.netcup.de/bestellen/produkt.php?produkt=2692
https://www.netcup.eu/bestellen/produkt.php?produkt=2692
This one will probably go fast...
It seems likely that they'll restock at 3PM German time zone (MEZ), so 14:00 (UTC)
I currently am running a VPS 1000 G8 Plus and am actively looking at the current advent promotion of Netcup but also at their G9 line-up.
Does anyone know what changed from G8 to G9, especially CPU-wise?
Can more CPU power be expected?
If I'm not mistaken all G9 nodes are using AMD EPYC 7702 CPUs, so yes, more CPU power per thread can be expected.
We spoke about it here. On their Advent calendar sales, I'm not sure they'll sell VPSs on their AMD nodes. We'll see!
They did sell that 2 days ago. You even posted it here yourself
Which is company better to use for streaming purpose, Hetzner or Netcup?
Streaming what? Plex?
That was a Root-Server, not a vServer
"Linux will run happily with only 4 MB of RAM, including all of the bells and whistles such as the X Window System, Emacs, and so on." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 32)
Their networks are slightly different, I prefer Netcup's but YMMV. You can check using test IPs which you find the best for your use case.
A Root-Server was available indeed, but it's out of stock. I can't guess what they will offer. Personally I'd like a small VPS (cheaper than their RS line) with pure SSD & EPYC CPU. It's unlikely though, and if it existed it would be OOS so fast it would be almost impossible to grab...
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I also contacted the support and they confirmed exactly this. VPS G8 are Intel based and VPS G9 are AMD based, so basically a better CPU performance can be expected.
Thanks guys!
If you need the server you don't really have time to wait for promotions. xD Less self pity please!
So Say We All
Look like today's deal doesn't go OOS as fast as their great VPSs...
.at domain for 10 EUR / y
https://www.netcup.de/bestellen/produkt.php?produkt=2693
https://www.netcup.eu/bestellen/produkt.php?produkt=2693
.at are good for domain hacks. but you can get them cheaper at alldomains
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Cloud vLAN Giga ADV20 - 5,99€
https://www.netcup.eu/bestellen/produkt.php?produkt=2694
https://www.netcup.de/bestellen/produkt.php?produkt=2694
I don't really see why they make one pay for this but well, I guess it might be interested for some.
I'm really quite confused about Netcup's reputation. I've heard that they're both wildly oversold and overprovisioned with relatively average performance, and others seem to hail Netcup as this great bang-for-the-buck provider.
Maybe I'm not reading broadly enough but is Netcup considered to be premium, average or an avoid?
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Netcup's price-resource ratio is very good and they are very dependable in terms of uptime/availability/network.
If there's anything that is a bit poor (or lowend) as far as their offerings go, it is usually their VPS lineup where the CPU is definitely not the fastest on the block and the performance varies quite a bit. As the nodes get loaded/balanced, the CPU oriented benchmarks will show degradation.
Their RS (Root Server) line up is much better (they offer dedicated vCPUs/Threads) and the performance is much more consistent but again, it is not as good as it can be for the given hardware specs (and this is likely due to throttling/balancing/limits in place to protect the rest of the (ab)users). Also note that they don't have raw/full CPU pass through (and limit many flags not just for virtualization).
Their IO (esp. on the SSDs) and network is really very good and consistent.
Note that depending on the kind of work load, you wouldn't even notice anything amiss as far as their VPSs go because it is more than sufficient for your typical web server type of needs with generous memory to go with it.
Beware of their contracts and cancellation policies - read the fine print thoroughly.
They are premium of course, but as their customer u need to read their General Terms & Conditions of Business (T&Cs).
I have received printed-mail invoice into my house (ID) when i didn't pay where the contract still go on. You can search keyword "debt collector" to know.
"Rule #1: Buy what you need, not what you want" -someone in LET
bought 4 netcup cups
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already sold out, unfortunately
"Linux will run happily with only 4 MB of RAM, including all of the bells and whistles such as the X Window System, Emacs, and so on." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 32)
I fully believe in failover and load balancing for the morning cuppa. I mean, if you don't get the cuppa dependably you can imagine how the day goes south quite quickly.
I'm not so sure on the crash-proof-ness of a ceramic/porcelain cup (even from Netcup) though.
@Falzo - if they had an unbreakable cup...
I agree with the answer @nullnothere gave you.
I'd say they are average as far as 'pure performance for the buck' goes, but premium in network and seriousness: if you want an host you can trust to stay around for a long time, to have good (security, technical, etc.) practices and to offer you stable hosting on a good network, it's a great choice.
Sure you can find better/cheaper bench monsters from lower end providers, but sometimes you don't want the best bang for the buck on that front but a serious and very stable provider. Netcup is pretty well suited for that IMO. If you know how to properly use your RAM (mysqld caches, varnish, redis...) their HDD VPS are really nice machines, for a damn good price...
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Netcup is good bang for the buck, I've used them for a couple of months but I have run into a very annoying issue that support has not been able to fix. Whenever my box goes into heavier load it tends to be relatively io intensive. What I've noticed is that, during heavier loads, the IO performance will start to gradually degrade until the box becomes unusable. An OS reboot does not help, only a control panel power cycle. Here's an example of what I'm talking about:
https://imgur.com/IR783jm
You can see that IO started to spike due to the heavier use and then you start to see the it ladder down until it literally flatlines. Here'a a closer look of it flatlining until I power cycled:
https://imgur.com/nXeUEIr
I'm about to be done with this heavier type of work and the box will resume its regularly scheduled jobs which aren't as intensive (at least they're more spread out) so I don't mind keeping this server because of the price but support is clueless...I'd say that this is some sort of rate limiting but it doesn't sound like it is based on the fact that the problem goes away after power cycling...
Interesting. Is this on a "special" plan or on a VPS on their regular line? Did you try waiting to see after how long it came back to normal? It would be good to know if you have to power cycle the VPS, even after waiting for some time...
Exact same experience here. Perhaps there is a reason why the contracts are in place so that customers don't leave them after finding out their service is not cut for sustained load. Good for benchmarks though. I have 02 root servers, one with HDD & SSD & a VPS with SSD.
You can get a refund using their satisfaction guaranteed thing. I got out of a 12-month contract with that.
The messed up the invoices though so u gotta contact support. If you paid via PayPal also need to contact support because the default option is to receive it through bank.
I don't think that they are looking to scam/deceive their users, contracts aren't there to keep you with them if you are not happy IMO.
You had this problem with the VSD line? What kind of load are we talking about here? Maxing out i/o for hours?
downloading isos and uploading to google cloud without encryption. Talking about rootserver w/ SAS storage here. The HDD is actually pretty fast but after like an hour, download cripples due to high IOWAIT. During that moment you realize the traffic limits are just a gimmick since one can not even exhaust half or quarter of that. Or, may be if the server is loaded with large linux ISOs with multiple people leeching 24x7. I have tried changing kernel and distribution, but it seems like that there is some kind of QoS feature that does it. Internet search shows that the disks are qcow2 type instead of RAW so, the performance degrades once you start loading them. Restart from control panel SCP does fix it but the cycle continues. The restart from terminal strangely doesn't have any effect
It really sounds like you're being rate-limited, where the rate limiting is tied to the current session from the perspective of the control panel.
It's hard for us to determine -- based on what you've said -- whether the rate limiting in your case is justified or not.
"Linux will run happily with only 4 MB of RAM, including all of the bells and whistles such as the X Window System, Emacs, and so on." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 32)
it's a shared service anyway. at least disk and network is...
if you think you can be the only one torrenting the sh*t out of it and disrespecting the fact that your neighbours might hope for a usable portion of the ressources for themselves, I can only say I am happy they have some QoS in place to balance that properly.
better move on to another provider, large linux isos blabla with a german provider is usually not a good idea anyway. they will quickly show you the door if you manage to get DMCA notices or cease&desist letters sent their way.
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There is no way Netcup will get DMCA. These are private ISOs. Netcup should advertise properly what they are selling. That's the crux behind my complain. 80TB or 120TB is a misleading figure when the user will be capped to 100-200Mbps unless they get around to it by rebooting server every hour. It's a root server and not VPS. It should be able to meet the traffic quota before rate limit.
'private' usually does not make seeding legal ;-)
anything in conflict with the law makes you breach their ToS, no matter if they get letters or not. so if you don't get what's advertised while breaching their ToS, at least you shouldn't complain... but that's just my humble opinion.
these boxes are clearly not advertised nor intended to be used as seedboxes.
more likely you can use the traffic or network speed advertised if you don't use software that eats up IO that much and makes you run into limits to balance the hostnode.
of yourse you won't be able to reach higher network speeds than what you can read/write to your storage.
as said, I guess they are simply the wrong provider for your use case 🤷♂️
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