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WISECP v2.0 released - Intelligent Web Solutions Automation - SPECIAL DISCOUNT FOR LET

SitemioSitemio Member
edited April 2019 in General

What is WiseCP?

WiseCP is an advanced Web-based "Automation" system that includes a modern website interface with Customer Control Panel and the Admin Control Panel. It has been developed to enable all individual and corporate organizations operating in the field of information technology to easily provide product and service sales / management, invoicing and enforcement operations, customer management, support services and all other related services.

https://wisecp.com

What services you can offer with WISECP?

  • Web Hosting (Hosting, Domain, Server, SSL, Product Licenses, etc)
  • Software Services (Script Sales and Leasing, Web Software, Desktop Software, etc)
  • Bulk SMS Services (International SMS Sending Services)
  • Social Media Services (Tracker Packages, Social Media Packages, etc)
  • Advertising / Promotion Services (Advertising and Promotion Service Packages, Corporate Identity, Logo etc)
  • SEO Services (SEO Packages, Backlink Packages, Promotional Writing Packs, etc)
  • Any kind of digital services

What's new in v2.0?

There are numerous updates in v2.0, however below we have only mentioned the significant updates.

  • WClient Modern Client Panel (Users are now able to use Only Client Panel feature and built-in website can be disabled)
  • Advanced Promotion System (Along with coupon, we have now introduced promotion system that allows you to offer free or premium services along with a service. e.g a free domain can now be offered along with hosting)
  • WAnalytics, a built-in analytic feature which gives statistics in very detail along with live user tracking.
  • Taxation, Prices can now be defined along with VAT or non-VAT. It is also re-made according to European Union tax laws. Different tax rates can now be defined for each country. Taxes are also automatically applied according to the location of an user.
  • Support ticket system was re-made. Now it performs just like a live chat. Everything happening in real-time!
  • Namecheap Domain Registrar Module
  • Namesilo Domain Registrar Module
  • New payment method module: Stripe
  • New payment method module: Skrill
  • New payment method module: CoinPayments
  • New payment method module: PerfectMoney
  • SSL Reselling Module: GoGetSSL
  • SSL Reselling Module: Namecheap
  • SSL Reselling Module: ResellerClub
  • SSL Reselling Module: OnlineNIC
  • Software License Reselling Module: BuycPanel
  • Virtual Server Module: Virtualizor
  • Virtual Server Module: AutoVM

Check out complete update log here: https://www.docs.wisecp.com/en/kb/v2-0

Something special for LET users!

Since we have heard lot of feedback, users recommendation and opinions from LowEndTalk, we have got something special for LET users.

LET users can now get 30% DISCOUNT on any license.
Coupon Code: LET30

Support

Community Forums: https://community.wisecp.com
Discord: https://discord.gg/pW3U3uW
Contact our support team: https://my.wisecp.com

Your feedback is always appreciated!

WISECP: https://wisecp.com

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  • Hello,
    Atuovm is for VMware?
    It's your script base plugin, is free or need plans of https://autovm.net/ ?

  • @AdobeHost said:
    Hello,
    Atuovm is for VMware?
    It's your script base plugin, is free or need plans of https://autovm.net/ ?

    With the AutoVM API module integrated into the WISECP, you can provide WMWARE-based virtual server service and management. No fee is required for the WISECP module. You only need to obtain a license via autovm.net

    Thanks.

    WISECP,
    Onur

  • No option for branded lifetime license? Also does the one-year subscription limit the usage to one year or the update accessibility?

  • @webcraft said:
    No option for branded lifetime license? Also does the one-year subscription limit the usage to one year or the update accessibility?

    There is no "branded lifetime" license available for now. But we do care about the feedback from this subject.

    All license types always have a free update. No fees are required when a new version is announced.

    Thank you for your interest.

    WISECP,
    Onur

    Thanked by 1webcraft
  • @Sitemio said:

    @AdobeHost said:
    Hello,
    Atuovm is for VMware?
    It's your script base plugin, is free or need plans of https://autovm.net/ ?

    With the AutoVM API module integrated into the WISECP, you can provide WMWARE-based virtual server service and management. No fee is required for the WISECP module. You only need to obtain a license via autovm.net

    Thanks.

    WISECP,
    Onur

    This is bad if that's work just your plugin i order your scripts license but . that's bad autovm have many plugin for other scripts.
    Thanks

  • @AdobeHost said:

    @Sitemio said:

    @AdobeHost said:
    Hello,
    Atuovm is for VMware?
    It's your script base plugin, is free or need plans of https://autovm.net/ ?

    With the AutoVM API module integrated into the WISECP, you can provide WMWARE-based virtual server service and management. No fee is required for the WISECP module. You only need to obtain a license via autovm.net

    Thanks.

    WISECP,
    Onur

    This is bad if that's work just your plugin i order your scripts license but . that's bad autovm have many plugin for other scripts.
    Thanks

    Hello

    I'm sorry, I think you misunderstood me. The AutoVM plugin is available on the WISECP. So you can do virtual server sales and management using AUTOVM on WISECP. You do not have to pay for the WISECP AutoVM plugin. You should only purchase licenses over https://autovm.net/price.html

    Please look > http://prntscr.com/ni667q

    If you need more information, please let me know.

    Thanks.

    WISECP,
    Onur

  • SitemioSitemio Member
    edited April 2019

    @webcraft said:
    No option for branded lifetime license? Also does the one-year subscription limit the usage to one year or the update accessibility?

    About your one-year subscription question, the license will get suspended if it is not renewed. So yes, it limits the usage to one year.

    Tim,
    WISECP

    Thanked by 1webcraft
  • AlbaHostAlbaHost Member, Provider

    Hi,

    I personally think that your software is not ready yet for production use, since you use 2-3 domain registrar module so called well known which most of them does not support ccTLD like ours (.al) and you don't have any how-to docs in which the php programmers would build one, another one is even if you don't have a howto doc/wiki at least you should provide like whmcs has called "email module" in which it support and or inform the host that the customer has changed his DNS /renew/register so that a host can change manually to his reseller for a ccTLD that is not supported by your system software. Not to mention that english language which you provide is still not fully translated. And cannot find the phrase of "Kayıt Göster" which is in dedicated servers page. In your admin panel, you provide theme modification, in which you can change the color actually i does change in most pages except domain page which it does not.
    I personally like your software, and i hope that you will improve them as much and as soon as possible.

    Cheers.
    Fatmir D.

    Thanked by 1dedicados

    wWw.AlbaHost.Net .AL domains, Dedicated Servers, VPS/VDS and Hosting Services. Located in Albania and Kosovo.

  • @AlbaHost said:
    I personally think that your software is not ready yet for production use

    Sure, they've already mentioned it on their web-site "Project production and development work is provided by Sitemio Information Technologies LTD and the development is still underway."


    Teeeam Onur your panel reminds me @BharatB but with improved UI lol.


    I can suggest to stay away from this one day develop earn money and let it go software, invest in WHMCS, Hostbill, ClientExec or any other panel which have been in business for years.

    Still didn't mention security concerns for ioncubed files.

    Using software for domain/hosting (or anything else) from another hosting provider wouldn't end good.

    Any example you'll ask me? Ask @BlueVM about Feathur. (cc @Ishaq -> might answer probably what happened?)

    Trying to be positive and friendly :)

  • BharatBBharatB Member, Provider

    @alexvolk said:

    @AlbaHost said:
    I personally think that your software is not ready yet for production use

    Sure, they've already mentioned it on their web-site "Project production and development work is provided by Sitemio Information Technologies LTD and the development is still underway."


    Teeeam Onur your panel reminds me @BharatB but with improved UI lol.


    I can suggest to stay away from this one day develop earn money and let it go software, invest in WHMCS, Hostbill, ClientExec or any other panel which have been in business for years.

    Still didn't mention security concerns for ioncubed files.

    Using software for domain/hosting (or anything else) from another hosting provider wouldn't end good.

    Any example you'll ask me? Ask @BlueVM about Feathur. (cc @Ishaq -> might answer probably what happened?)

    Not sure why you included me me here, I'm not in their team im sure that they have a better and bigger team.

    Also you should not forget solusvm was managed by 1 guy phillip because even though they had a big ass team nothing came out in the past 2 years.

    I dont know what makes you so interested in me but yea stop tagging me unnecessarily

    Readydedis, LLC - Managed Dedicated Servers

  • AlbaHostAlbaHost Member, Provider
    edited April 2019

    @alexvolk said:

    @AlbaHost said:
    I personally think that your software is not ready yet for production use

    Sure, they've already mentioned it on their web-site "Project production and development work is provided by Sitemio Information Technologies LTD and the development is still underway."


    Teeeam Onur your panel reminds me @BharatB but with improved UI lol.


    I can suggest to stay away from this one day develop earn money and let it go software, invest in WHMCS, Hostbill, ClientExec or any other panel which have been in business for years.

    Still didn't mention security concerns for ioncubed files.

    Using software for domain/hosting (or anything else) from another hosting provider wouldn't end good.

    Any example you'll ask me? Ask @BlueVM about Feathur. (cc @Ishaq -> might answer probably what happened?)

    Well everyone should get a chance since we would'n know if that is good or bad, actually they seems to improve their software according to their versions. As per security related i would really like to know more about it since their website has too many lack of informations/wiki/docs about their software.

    wWw.AlbaHost.Net .AL domains, Dedicated Servers, VPS/VDS and Hosting Services. Located in Albania and Kosovo.

  • @AlbaHost said:
    Well everyone should get a chance since we would'n know if that is good or bad, actually they seems to improve their software according to their versions. As per security related i would really like to know more about it since their website has too many lack of informations/wiki/docs about their software.

    As I've said already it's too much risky to use wisecpsdasasdsa or that turkish name?

    This is not 2005-2010 when this niche was empty and there were no alternatives.

    Would like give to give a chance? Sure give it to open source projects (blesta?) and not for something encoded with ioncube.

    This companies/persons are using **ioncube to hide their low level professional code **. If ioncube decompiling isn't that hard.

    If you still want to buy and use that software expect to be hacked by them or any script kiddie who got exploit on public forums.

    Do you remember localhost.re case? WHMCS, Hostbill, ClientExec all of them were affected and fixed security issues and giving security #1 priority.

    @BharatB said:
    Also you should not forget solusvm was managed by 1 guy phillip because even though they had a big ass team nothing came out in the past 2 years.

    WHMCS was developed too by Matt in 2005.

    Regarding SolusVM updates it's better to release new version when it'll completely ready, not something hackable with one query, do you remember Robert Clarke who hacked Ramnode @Nick_A.

    @BharatB said:
    I dont know what makes you so interested in me but yea stop tagging me unnecessarily

    You're good example. Let me remember and post what you wrote me a few years ago? Otherwise just accept my comments and be silent /sarcasm lol.

    Thanked by 1eminarslan

    Trying to be positive and friendly :)

  • BharatBBharatB Member, Provider
    edited April 2019

    @alexvolk doesn't ramnode run on solus? Also didn't solus have many zero-day exploits?

    Also whmcs is ioncube encoded, I assume they had their bad days as well. Using ioncube is just to safe guard our research and hardwork into making a product.

    It doesn't necessarily mean everyone is hiding something hackable under their code.

    Code professionalism well that's entirely a different thing I can't just push parts of my code online to prove they are clean and secure.

    Hypervisor runs off of Laravel and Lumen so I'll be patching and upgrading the base based on their patches or fixes to code.

    Rest are all command line based so I've relied on the vast linux community.

    Thanked by 1AlbaHost

    Readydedis, LLC - Managed Dedicated Servers

  • YuraYura Member

    I save 100% by not using WISECP

  • AlbaHostAlbaHost Member, Provider
    edited April 2019

    @alexvolk said:

    @AlbaHost said:
    Well everyone should get a chance since we would'n know if that is good or bad, actually they seems to improve their software according to their versions. As per security related i would really like to know more about it since their website has too many lack of informations/wiki/docs about their software.

    As I've said already it's too much risky to use wisecpsdasasdsa or that turkish name?

    There is nothing wrong with the name nor Turkish or any countries/nationalities names, so i really expect to love your's and respect others. Based on which risk are you talking about? Would like to know if you have tested the software and found anything suspecious, just share with us, you know sharing mean caring.

    This is not 2005-2010 when this niche was empty and there were no alternatives.

    The more alternative the better choices.

    Would like give to give a chance? Sure give it to open source projects (blesta?) and not for something encoded with ioncube.

    This companies/persons are using **ioncube to hide their low level professional code **. If ioncube decompiling isn't that hard.

    If you still want to buy and use that software expect to be hacked by them or any script kiddie who got exploit on public forums.

    Any software can be hacked/exploited, the main reason is to prevent it with updates and corrections etc.

    Do you remember localhost.re case? WHMCS, Hostbill, ClientExec all of them were affected and fixed security issues and giving security #1 priority.

    I do remember, but that does not mean wisecp will not give security #1 priority as long as they update their software.

    wWw.AlbaHost.Net .AL domains, Dedicated Servers, VPS/VDS and Hosting Services. Located in Albania and Kosovo.

  • AlbaHost said: There is nothing wrong with the name nor Turkish or any countries/nationalities names

    By turkish I meant only people from Turkey could understand what wisecp trying to say "experienced control panel"? Before it was "WSCMS" or WHMCS?

    I'm not against any countries/nationalities, however when companies are selling product to global market it should choose better naming so no confusion will happen.

    Sorry if it looked too harsh.

    AlbaHost said: Would like to know if you have tested the software and found anything suspecious, just share with us, you know sharing mean caring.

    I've added this software to review in my list but don't have exact ETA when it'll be nulled and released for review.

    AlbaHost said: Any software can be hacked/exploited, the main reason is to prevent it with updates and corrections etc.

    Well, it's used by 5-10 hosts (ok even 100), low number of customers less money for investing in development leads to code bugs/security issues and etc.

    AlbaHost said: I do remember, but that does not mean wisecp will not give security #1 priority as long as they update their software.

    Any inside information about this? It doesn't have proper documentation pages and can't comment if they really do care about security. What I've seen however is better ui nothing more.


    @BharatB sir, please think before replying again, plszz.

    BharatB said: @alexvolk doesn't ramnode run on solus? Also didn't solus have many zero-day exploits?

    Ramnode is migrating to fleio panel which development took like 4 years or more don't remember exactly. Lead development by Andrias (@intovps experienced in hosting business for many years) first of all for their own needs.

    BharatB said: Also whmcs is ioncube encoded

    Yes, however it sources has been reviewed multiple times by security researches for $.
    Also source code has been flying around internet for many years.

    BharatB said: hiding something

    Yes, hiding from normal users who wouldn't be able to decrypt and analyze that code.

    BharatB said: Code professionalism well that's entirely a different thing I can't just push parts of my code online to prove they are clean and secure.

    Come here when you'll ready to share your code and later talk about your "professionalism". You think after so many years you became "professional", should I post that PM you've sent to me?

    BharatB said: Hypervisor runs off of Laravel and Lumen so I'll be patching and upgrading the base based on their patches or fixes to code.

    Using laravel eloquent wouldn't protect you against sql injection in your main logic.

    Also does hypevisor runs smothly on KVM or OpenVZ?

    BharatB said: research and hardwork

    Your hardworking hypervisor doesn't mean it's good to sell and use it in production.....

    Thanked by 2intovps eminarslan

    Trying to be positive and friendly :)

  • Hey,

    I have had a quick look at the software and will download a trial soon to try everything out fully, Can you advise the rates for custom module creation such as the per hour rate ?

    Thanks

  • AlbaHostAlbaHost Member, Provider
    edited April 2019

    @alexvolk said:

    AlbaHost said: There is nothing wrong with the name nor Turkish or any countries/nationalities names

    By turkish I meant only people from Turkey could understand what wisecp trying to say "experienced control panel"? Before it was "WSCMS" or WHMCS?

    I understand that a good name mean alot, but there is an Indian company called softaculous a nonsense name (at least to me) but raises globally, fast every hosting company uses their software including us. So it's not all to the name, but to the hard work they do to success.

    I'm not against any countries/nationalities, however when companies are selling product to global market it should choose better naming so no confusion will happen.

    Sorry if it looked too harsh.

    Glad to hear this really.

    AlbaHost said: Would like to know if you have tested the software and found anything suspecious, just share with us, you know sharing mean caring.

    I've added this software to review in my list but don't have exact ETA when it'll be nulled and released for review.

    I think noone is interesting in nulling/cracked software, more interested in security holes. As per nulled and or cracked the whmcs latest version is nulled too.

    AlbaHost said: Any software can be hacked/exploited, the main reason is to prevent it with updates and corrections etc.

    Well, it's used by 5-10 hosts (ok even 100), low number of customers less money for investing in development leads to code bugs/security issues and etc.

    Every one/company need to start from scratch and with their hard work to success, some fails others grows. But in general everyone or company start with the logic/meanin to success, so give anyone some time and chance.

    AlbaHost said: I do remember, but that does not mean wisecp will not give security #1 priority as long as they update their software.

    Any inside information about this? It doesn't have proper documentation pages and can't comment if they really do care about security. What I've seen however is better ui nothing more.>

    About this i have contacted them, and they said that they will provide soon...

    wWw.AlbaHost.Net .AL domains, Dedicated Servers, VPS/VDS and Hosting Services. Located in Albania and Kosovo.

  • AlbaHostAlbaHost Member, Provider

    @RocketHosting said:
    Hey,

    I have had a quick look at the software and will download a trial soon to try everything out fully, Can you advise the rates for custom module creation such as the per hour rate ?

    Thanks

    Depending on module, asked them for our ccTLD module and they asked for $100-200 and a lifetime license which it was 4-5x more expensive instead of hiring a php programmer for that tiny module.

    wWw.AlbaHost.Net .AL domains, Dedicated Servers, VPS/VDS and Hosting Services. Located in Albania and Kosovo.

  • BharatBBharatB Member, Provider
    edited April 2019

    @alexvolk said:

    No comments on solusvm I see?

    @alexvolk said: Come here when you'll ready to share your code and later talk about your "professionalism". You think after so many years you became "professional", should I post that PM you've sent to me?

    https://prnt.sc/nidhnj <- this is the only message I could find.

    I don't care about your views at this point anymore.

    Readydedis, LLC - Managed Dedicated Servers

  • Really great project, good job guys. Will consider it once you have reseller option.

    P.s: Criticism helps make your product better. So take it easy and work.

    Thanked by 1Sitemio

    Misterhost.NET - Unlimited Hosting - Reseller Hosting - Master Reseller Hosting - Alpha Reseller Hosting
    Since 6 Years in Business and serving over 30.000 Clients.

  • BharatB said: No comments on solusvm I see?

    Only for you especially. @SolusVM had zero day exploits - yes, this is what happens when source code is encrypted and God knows what is running behind.

    The guy from localhost.re decrypted ioncubed files (even by my friend probably?), analyzed and shared exploits on his web-site. Later vanished lol.

    So exact answer what you want to hear, if you're trying to sell your "research" and "hardwork", please do it.

    However, don't try to say it's "proffesional", "secure" software until it will reviewed by your customer security researchers. After that customers will decide to trust you or not.

    Not everybody can decrypt ioncubed files thus will not be able to judge how "proffesional" your code "quality".

    If your code too much unique make it expensive but still share complete source code, don't be cheapish by making customers free to be exploited by someone.

    BharatB said: I don't care about your views at this point anymore.

    Anymore? Are you sure?

    Sir, please remove "your beautiful looking posts".

    Trying to be positive and friendly :)

  • SitemioSitemio Member
    edited April 2019

    @AlbaHost said:
    Hi,

    I personally think that your software is not ready yet for production use, since you use 2-3 domain registrar module so called well known which most of them does not support ccTLD like ours (.al) and you don't have any how-to docs in which the php programmers would build one, another one is even if you don't have a howto doc/wiki at least you should provide like whmcs has called "email module" in which it support and or inform the host that the customer has changed his DNS /renew/register so that a host can change manually to his reseller for a ccTLD that is not supported by your system software. Not to mention that english language which you provide is still not fully translated. And cannot find the phrase of "Kayıt Göster" which is in dedicated servers page. In your admin panel, you provide theme modification, in which you can change the color actually i does change in most pages except domain page which it does not.
    I personally like your software, and i hope that you will improve them as much and as soon as possible.

    Cheers.
    Fatmir D.

    Thank you for your feedback,

    We did not find the opportunity to create a wiki because most of our time was primarily to develop and provide support for the product. But after the v2.0 release we will now give importance to it and post detailed articles on everything. This includes domain integration, payment method integration, and many other topics. Any PHP developer will be able to easily develop new module.

    There is a comprehensive notification system on WISECP for client and admin. Email and SMS notifications will be sent to customer and admin for every transaction made. If a customer performs operations such as DNS/renew/register so, it comes as a manual transaction notification to this administration. Of course If the API is not connected with automation.

    There may be errors in some places related to English. We are still working on this issue and we will do our best to show you the perfect English. We care about your feedback on this issue.

    In fact, you can easily change the theme colors. Follow the Admin Area / Settings / Theme Settings / Default path and click on the Settings button. If that's what you're talking about.

    @alexvolk said:

    @AlbaHost said:
    I personally think that your software is not ready yet for production use

    Sure, they've already mentioned it on their web-site "Project production and development work is provided by Sitemio Information Technologies LTD and the development is still underway."


    Teeeam Onur your panel reminds me @BharatB but with improved UI lol.


    I can suggest to stay away from this one day develop earn money and let it go software, invest in WHMCS, Hostbill, ClientExec or any other panel which have been in business for years.

    Still didn't mention security concerns for ioncubed files.

    Using software for domain/hosting (or anything else) from another hosting provider wouldn't end good.

    Any example you'll ask me? Ask @BlueVM about Feathur. (cc @Ishaq -> might answer probably what happened?)

    Thank you for your comments and thoughts.

    If the source code is encrypted, it does not mean that it will harm you. I'm sure you're using dozens of software and programs that you don't know what's in the source code. It's as clear as the subject.

    Sitemio LTD is not a hosting company. The main sector of activity is software technologies. We also provide our customers with additional services such as hosting, server etc.

    AlbaHost said: Well everyone should get a chance since we would'n know if that is good or bad, actually they seems to improve their software according to their versions. As per security related i would really like to know more about it since their website has too many lack of informations/wiki/docs about their software.

    In a short time, we will share an article about the level of security.

    ZotiMediaGroup said: Really great project, good job guys. Will consider it once you have reseller option.

    P.s: Criticism helps make your product better. So take it easy and work.

    Thank you for your kind words and interest.
    Which reseller option? Do you mean cPanel/WHM Reseller? This feature is actually available and you can provide reseller hosting.

  • New update about pricing:
    Due to lot of requests, we have now removed Clients Limit on our Monthly Branded & Yearly Branded License, which means that there's no limitation anymore on any of our license.

    WISECP,
    Tim

  • Sitemio said: If the source code is encrypted, it does not mean that it will harm you.

    Proofs? Sorry, it's encrypted.

    Sitemio said: you're using dozens of software and programs that you don't know what's in the source code

    Would you change your macOS or Windows to another unknown closed source system?

    Will you:

    • trust it?
    • pay for it?
    • beta test it in production

    See?

    When there are tons of those billing automation software what feature exactly do you have?

    Nice UI? That's all?

    @Sitemio said:
    New update about pricing:

    For the same price one could buy Blesta from @Licensecart or ClientExec from any reseller.

    Trying to be positive and friendly :)

  • SitemioSitemio Member
    edited April 2019

    alexvolk said: Proofs? Sorry, it's encrypted.

    Developers may encrypt source codes to prevent their projects from being used illegally and to protect their efforts. These are the most common rights. However i am unable to understand that why you are against it. You're always talking about Blesta, but you should know that Blesta has encrypted files. Do you have any idea that what this file contains? (http://prntscr.com/nigvj6) No? That's what I thought. Because it is encrypted.

    alexvolk said: Would you change your macOS or Windows to another unknown closed source system?

    Will you:
    trust it?
    pay for it?
    beta test it in production
    See?

    We don't force anyone to buy our product. All the details of our product are clearly posted. It's a matter of choice. Every product was unknown in starting. NO product became famous and known in a day.

    alexvolk said: When there are tons of those billing automation software what feature exactly do you have?

    Nice UI? That's all?

    Nice UI was the first thing you looked at first glance. Consider trying a demo version ;)

    I would love to write all the details of our product here but that would be quite a long post. You can review our all features page instead or you can get a demo version.

    alexvolk said: For the same price one could buy Blesta from @Licensecart or ClientExec from any reseller.

    Sure, they can. Why not?

  • alexvolkalexvolk Member
    edited April 2019

    Sitemio said: However i am unable to understand that why you are against it.

    I'm against copy-pasting while giving a shit on security.

    Sitemio said: You're always talking about Blesta, but you should know that Blesta has encrypted files. Do you have any idea that what this file contains? (http://prntscr.com/nigvj6) No? That's what I thought. Because it is encrypted.

    Do you want me to share decrypted files?

    I'm really sorry but all this looks too fishy.

    Sitemio said: my team developed this in just a few days before beta release:

    • Namecheap Domain Registrar Module
    • Namesilo Domain Registrar Module
    • New payment method module: Stripe
    • New payment method module: Skrill
    • New payment method module: CoinPayments
    • New payment method module: PerfectMoney
    • SSL Reselling Module: GoGetSSL
    • SSL Reselling Module: Namecheap
    • SSL Reselling Module: ResellerClub
    • SSL Reselling Module: OnlineNIC
    • Software License Reselling Module: BuycPanel
    • Virtual Server Module: Virtualizor
    • Virtual Server Module: AutoVM

    Almost all of them are open source in Blesta, others are just easy to integrate.

    Just check files from your PC:

    C:\Users\rebrandcodeandsell\Desktop\blesta\components\

    gateways & modules folder

    Sitemio said: I would love to write all the details of our product here but that would be quite a long post.
    Sitemio said: We don't force anyone to buy our product. All the details of our product are clearly posted. It's a matter of choice.

    You've answered yourself. Don't post details just sell it who cares.

    Every product was unknown in starting. NO product became famous and known in a day.

    Failing from start wouldn't make your software known neither will give a trust later.

    Trying to be positive and friendly :)

  • alexvolk said: I'm against copy-pasting while giving a shit on security.

    You are just assuming without even looking at anything. You are always comparing us with some software that has no link with us. We are completely different from them. This is unfair if you just ASSUME things without even proving. Come up with some proofs before MAKING assumptions.

    alexvolk said: Do you want me to share decrypted files?

    I'm really sorry but all this looks too fishy.

    It looks more fishy that why those files are not shared by them, but you are willing to share them.

    alexvolk said: Almost all of them are open source in Blesta, others are just easy to integrate.

    Yes, no one said that they are not present there. Did we say anything about it? Are you working for them that you have to include them in every sentence? Moreover almost all of our payment gateway, hosting modules & domain registrar modules are open-source.

  • alexvolkalexvolk Member
    edited April 2019

    Sitemio said: You are just assuming without even looking at anything. Come up with some proofs before MAKING assumptions.

    I'm not assuming lol. I've just taken a look and here goes proofs.

    • Custom developed framework? Any projects you've written before being a pro in frameworks?
    • Using raw curl instead of already installed guzzle?
    • Using phpexcel class instead of installing it with composer?
    • Everything "filtered" with Filter class.

    Why the fuck you've installed composer in the first place?

    Those are RED flags that anyone should stay away. I haven't touched Filter class just yet. Don't have a time for more detailed review.

    Sitemio said: We are completely different from them.

    Yes, in terms of security and quality?

    Sitemio said: It looks more fishy that why those files are not shared by them, but you are willing to share them.

    I can share your files too but for everyone and everywhere.

    Do you want it? Do you have experience on how to deal with DMCA at least?

    Sitemio said: Are you working for them that you have to include them in every sentence?

    Does it really matter?

    Delete your software and start using Blesta => NOW. Blesta is great and professional software.

    Sitemio said: Moreover almost all of our payment gateway, hosting modules & domain registrar modules are open-source.

    At least something lol.

    Trying to be positive and friendly :)

  • SitemioSitemio Member
    edited April 2019

    alexvolk said: Custom >developed framework? Any projects you've written before being a pro in frameworks?
    Using raw curl instead of already installed guzzle?
    Using phpexcel class instead of installing it with composer?
    Everything "filtered" with Filter class.
    Why the fuck you've installed composer in the first place?
    -How long has it been the problem to develop custom code?

    • It is not a problem to use custom code structure. Not everyone has to use the ready framework.
      -We use CURL in general, Guzzle is used when needed. There's nothing wrong here.
      -Since when it became a problem to use Composer?
      -Filter is a safer solution.

    You did not find anything to prove it, just trying to create the fuss out of nothing.

    alexvolk said: I can share your files too but for everyone and everywhere.

    Do you want it? Do you have experience on how to deal with DMCA at least?

    Sure, try it out.
    There's no problem between us and the DMCA. We are software developers. Not pirates.

    alexvolk said: Delete your software and start using Blesta => NOW. Blesta is great and professional software.

    That is what you wanted to come up with. Focus on your own software!

    From now on, we won't be replying you anymore since we are now well-aware where you are coming from.

  • alexvolkalexvolk Member
    edited April 2019

    Sitemio said: Nothing valid was found by you, just trying to create the fuss out of nothing.

    Are you sure? Maybe try reading it again.

    Sitemio said: Not pirates.

    Did you understand what I meant? Do you know how to send correct DMCA request for removal of your "copyrighted" software?

    Sitemio said: That is what you wanted to come up with. Focus on your own software!

    Well, I'm missing such developers in my companies: Blesta, ClientExec, Hostbill, WHMCS. Please help me to Make Them Great Again /s.

    Trying to be positive and friendly :)

  • PieHasBeenEatenPieHasBeenEaten Member, Moderator

    @alexvolk Well you point out alot of items or instances that could be possible wrong or that don't matter. What is your background or level expertise on the matter? What projects have you participated in? What software have you written?

  • alexvolkalexvolk Member
    edited April 2019

    @PieHasBeenEaten what exactly are you trying to say? Should I comment it like on themeforest "cool, great, good luck on sales"?

    @PieHasBeenEaten said:
    @alexvolk Well you point out a lot of items or instances that could be possible wrong or that don't matter.

    What exactly doesn't matter? Could be possibly exploited, hacked;

    What is your background or level expertise on the matter? What projects have you participated in? What software have you written

    Do I need to list my all projects including what software I've written and what exact background have just as proof to be allowed to comment/review?

    Sorry, I'm trying to sell my software here?

    If this guy developed software and trying to sell as "being better than competitors" he should have expected it to be reviewed and commented.

    Trying to be positive and friendly :)

  • PieHasBeenEatenPieHasBeenEaten Member, Moderator

    @alexvolk You are free to criticize about their software. But I asked about your professional background on the matter? If you not even willing to share just a little bit of information maybe your "claims" are not even valid. Just had legit questions to ask. But again I am no body with no experience on this matter.

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  • @PieHasBeenEaten said:
    @alexvolk You are free to criticize about their software. But I asked about your professional background on the matter? If you not even willing to share just a little bit of information maybe your "claims" are not even valid. Just had legit questions to ask. But again I am no body with no experience on this matter.

    Oh, I see, sorry then. I'm an experienced PHP developer which works in the team that can
    understand/research bugs/holes/fix/crack/null anything related to PHP (including obfuscated/encrypted files -> see for example ioncube (any versions)/zend).

    From time to time our team releases commercial php scripts for educational usages (try before buy as an example).

    Multiple versions of WHMCS, Kayako, Hostbill, ClientExec and etc. (this list wouldn't end) was nulled by me for example. I've seen all source codes for this scripts. However, releases only included file for null, nothing more.

    Even useresponse clean source was released by me that cpanel and whmcs are using currently as "feature" request.

    Did it harm for them? Nope, it only helped them to achieve more audience and clients.

    They know that everything can be decompiled and shown to community so they're doing twice check/review before releasing something.

    So I've enough experience and knowledge to understand what this guy did.

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    Trying to be positive and friendly :)

  • YuraYura Member

    @PieHasBeenEaten said:
    @alexvolk If you not even willing to share just a little bit of information maybe your "claims" are not even valid.

    That's not how it works. Alex pointed out things that are either true or not and his own portfolio or even possible affiliation with competing software doesn't change Sitemio's business practices.

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  • PieHasBeenEatenPieHasBeenEaten Member, Moderator

    @alexvolk Now I understand your POV on the matter then. Maybe I could of said or asked in a different way. I appreciate that you took the time to respond in a constructive manner.

    @Yura I totally get what your saying and you are correct.

    Have a nice one!

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  • SitemioSitemio Member

    PieHasBeenEaten said: @alexvolk Now I understand your POV on the matter then. Maybe I could of said or asked in a different way. I appreciate that you took the time to respond in a constructive manner.

    @Yura I totally get what your saying and you are correct.

    Have a nice one!

    Dear @PieHasBeenEaten

    I have welcomed this message with sadness.

    Because when you examine what this guy has written from above, there is nothing more than what is described below.

    • This guy got a racist approach, because he's interested in why the product name isn't Turkish. Can't Turks use a global English name? Anyways.
    • This guy tried to humiliate our product. No evidence, no documents. It is clear that there is no accuracy and validity of the things he says. He doesn't know what he's saying. Totally ridiculous.
    • This guy write abusive to us. (Is it free to speak abusive here?)
    • This guy said that the software was encrypted source codes and therefore could be a trust issue and that he was constantly Blesta's open source. But Blesta has encrypted files and they don't explain it to people themselves. Should publish these files by Blesta. Not this guy. Those files are here > http://prntscr.com/nigvj6 ... Anyways... Additionally, We are also a 7-year-old company based in Turkey. We produce useful projects for people. Always the first priority is security. Our customers are very valuable to us. You can see what we care about security on this page. https://docs.wisecp.com/en/kb/security-levels
    • This guy has repeatedly tried to create a polemic by declaring a different software.
    • This guy threatened to spread the source code of our product to everyone. (He can try it whenever he wants. But threatening is not a nice thing.)

    We are always respectful of criticism. We care about feedback very much. But criticism should be within the framework of love and respect. The constructor must be.

    Are you finding this person right, despite all this?

    As for you @alexvolk

    You look like a man who's completely empty, arrogant, and unable to any time succeed. All you can do is null the softwares and vent the nation. You can't go any further than that. You can't even explain which team and company you're working with. I hope you develop yourself and be remembered for successful projects. So maybe someday I'll congratulate you.

    Result;

    Innovations and diversity are always good. The emergence of different alternatives of something that exists is advantageous for people. Because it creates a competitive environment and allows people to get better and cheaper services.

    We're here because we saw LET as a platform of respected members. However, we were upset that the injustice was accepted by the authorities. So we apologize for not being active on LET anymore. You can follow us with the following communication channels.

    Discord Channel > https://discordapp.com/invite/pW3U3uW
    Community Forums > https://community.wisecp.com/

    Regards to everyone,
    We wish you a happy day.

    I.Selvi
    Project Manager

    @PieHasBeenEaten I would ask you to lock this discussion.

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  • JFYI that everything will make sense at least.

    Composer is a package manager for the PHP similar to npm.

    Guzzle is http abstraction library which is using curl by default when it is available (otherwise it does use stream, sockets and etc.)

    From stackoverflow "why use guzzle instead of curl"* : "With Guzzle is way more simpler, cleaner, readable and reusable. Its quite easy to create a service that will encapsulate your Http requests. If you don't care about tests and you don't want to have a dependency on Guzzle go for cURL."

    -* as an example what I'm trying to say.


    Wicecp using in modules curl while at the same some parts of the code is using guzzle.

    So whats the reason for using package manager if libraries are not used?

    If its used why PHPExcel library folder was copied when it can be installed with package manager?

    Composer: https://getcomposer.org/doc/00-intro.md
    Guzzle: http://docs.guzzlephp.org/en/stable/faq.html
    Stackoverflow: https://stackoverflow.com/a/36549547

    But still this one thing thing that I've tried to explain.


    Sitemio said: why the product name isn't Turkish. Can't Turks use a global English name? Anyways.

    Your product name was "WSCMS" which looked similar to WHMCS, after previous discussion over here you've changed it to "WISECP", ok, this one also not good will you change it again? I still can't understand whats the meaning behind it.

    Sitemio said: This guy write abusive to us. (Is it free to speak abusive here?)

    Proofs? You're trying to sell software that in alpha release stage. Changing product name is a best example.

    Sitemio said: Blesta has encrypted files and they don't explain it to people themselves.

    Take a look on the main page https://www.blesta.com/ only 3 files are encoded — just enough for license protection

    Sitemio said: We are also a 7-year-old company based in Turkey

    Let me check. Domain name registered in 2015. Company registration 02/10/2017. Less than 2 years? I'm lying? https://imgur.com/2JGXl67

    Ok, I might be idiot checking company registration (family owned), let me check linked of owner: https://www.linkedin.com/in/idrisselvi/ ( just for reference https://imgur.com/a/JwmmgIx )

     Idris Selvi Sitemio LTD. (CEO - Founder)
    CEO - Founder Company NameSitemio Bilisim Teknolojileri Tic. Ltd. Sti. Dates Jan 2015 – Present Employment Duration4 yrs 5 mos

    No previous experience /s

    Sitemio said: We produce useful projects for people.

    Examples of what you've produced?

    Sitemio said: This guy has repeatedly tried to create a polemic by declaring a different software.

    Let me repeat if you didn't understand. I'm in now affiliated with any software that I've pointed/mentioned. I've just given an examples. However you still think that I'm working for those companies. I've never worked for them and wouldn't because I've better job /s

    Sitemio said: This guy threatened to spread the source code of our product to everyone.

    You don't believe me? It was only you who thought that let is a simple forum where everyone only looking to buyout idle servers?

    This is what happens when you're thinking that nobody could understand/decrypt/analyze
    your software.

    Next time think twice /s

    Sitemio said: We are always respectful of criticism. We care about feedback very much. But criticism should be within the framework of love and respect. The constructor must be.

    You don't care about criticism. Otherwise you should have said: "ok, you're maybe right, please give us a time and we will improve in next release and make everyone happy."

    Sitemio said:Are you finding this person right, despite all this?

    Yes and yes and again yes. :smile:

    Sitemio said: You look like a man who's completely empty, arrogant, and unable to any time succeed.

    I've succeed enough /s.

    Well, I might be different in terms of how normally comment. However that doesn't mean that I'm angry/empty/arrogant lol.

    Sitemio said: All you can do is null the softwares and vent the nation. You can't go any further than that.

    Well, do you know who can null software? Only the people who've excellent experience in that field so I went further that you might thought.

    For reference: What I've released only source files which is needed to be replaced and not on some "warez" sites where God knows what they've included.

    Sitemio said: vent the nation

    Regarding nations I've apologized. If not, I'm really sorry about that again.

    Sitemio said: You can't even explain which team and company you're working with. I hope you develop yourself and be remembered for successful projects. So maybe someday I'll congratulate you.

    You may congratulate me now, I've enough successful projects.

    Why I should explain which team and company? Does it really matter? As I've already said, I'm trying to sell my software here?

    Sitemio said: we were upset that the injustice was accepted by the authorities

    I'm serious what???

    Sitemio said: So we apologize for not being active on LET anymore

    See you later.

    Sitemio said: We wish you a happy day.

    I wish you too Idris Selvi (CEO and Founder).

    Sitemio said: @PieHasBeenEaten I would ask you to lock this discussion.

    What's the reason? So I couldn't reply with my own view? This discussion should be open forever, awaiting first customer reviews.

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    Are your friends now? :wink:

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    Trying to be positive and friendly :)

  • BharatBBharatB Member, Provider
    edited May 2019

    @alexvolk you have a fair point if you've really seen their source code in regards to the Guzzle & curl part.

    And I don't find your views constructive so pardon me if I liked what he said it, was a fact.

    "ok, you're maybe right, please give us a time and we will improve in next release and make everyone happy."

    Regarding this, people normally commenting the following would get the above reply.

    "This doesn't work, this doesn't look like it works, this is so & so vulnerability I found"

    Threatening people to disclose personal conversations to defame or prove your POV yea that's very genuine is it?

    @PieHasBeenEaten surely you haven't read the thread thoroughly enough?

    You're free to decrypt and release my source code if you can or want doesn't prove anything really.

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  • SitemioSitemio Member
    edited May 2019

    alexvolk said: JFYI that everything will make sense at least.

    Composer is a package manager for the PHP similar to npm.

    Guzzle is http abstraction library which is using curl by default when it is available (otherwise it does use stream, sockets and etc.)

    From stackoverflow "why use guzzle instead of curl"* : "With Guzzle is way more simpler, cleaner, readable and reusable. Its quite easy to create a service that will encapsulate your Http requests. If you don't care about tests and you don't want to have a dependency on Guzzle go for cURL."

    -* as an example what I'm trying to say.

    Wicecp using in modules curl while at the same some parts of the code is using guzzle.

    So whats the reason for using package manager if libraries are not used?

    If its used why PHPExcel library folder was copied when it can be installed with package manager?

    But still this one thing thing that I've tried to explain.

    Using Curl or Guzzle or Composer on the software does not constitute any negativity, security or a problem. Why are you hanging on to this? Or you can't find anything else?

    alexvolk said: Your product name was "WSCMS" which looked similar to WHMCS, after previous discussion over here you've changed it to "WISECP", ok, this one also not good will you change it again? I still can't understand whats the meaning behind it.

    This is purely a matter of choice, we have already made the necessary explanations. We have considered feedback and we have identified our brand as unique and product related. You gotta get out of this.

    alexvolk said: Why the fuck you've installed composer in the first place?

    Above Here's your proof

    alexvolk said: Take a look on the main page only 3 files are encoded — just enough for license protection

    You said it could be a security issue on encrypted source codes. You've shown Blesta as an example. But Blesta has four cryptic files, and no one knows what's in these files but them. Maybe there's a security breach, how could you possibly know? Because it's encrypted. Your decoding doesn't mean anything. Everyone should see this. It doesn't matter how many of the encrypted files are in this topic. 1 file may also have a security problem in 50 files. That's why you should pass.

    Ok, I might be idiot checking company registration (family owned), let me check linked of owner: / ( just for reference https://imgur.com/a/JwmmgIx )

    Sitemio was unofficial in 2015 and officially started in 02/10/2017. But before that, we were operating as an Istanbulmark Interactive Company. HMM, it's been eight years, not even seven, thanks for reminding me. You can look at the webarchive records if you want. www.istanbulmark.com so we have years of experience as a team. That's not the point. You're still entering unnecessary polemics. So I asked the subject to be locked.

    alexvolk said: Examples of what you've produced?

    Here https://www.sitemio.com/en/softwares
    and ofcourse WISECP ;)

    alexvolk said: Let me repeat if you didn't understand. I'm in now affiliated with any software that I've pointed/mentioned. I've just given an examples. However you still think that I'm working for those companies. I've never worked for them and wouldn't because I've better job /s

    HMM, let's see. Here's a great example;

    alexvolk said: Delete your software and start using Blesta => NOW. Blesta is great and professional software.

    ++

    alexvolk said: You don't believe me? It was only you who thought that let is a simple forum where everyone only looking to buyout idle servers? This is what happens when you're thinking that nobody could understand/decrypt/analyze your software. Next time think twice /s

    Another polemic.

    And I don't have enough free time for you.

    alexvolk said: You don't care about criticism. Otherwise you should have said: "ok, you're maybe right, please give us a time and we will improve in next release and make everyone happy."

    Let's see what you're saying;

    alexvolk said: Delete your software and start using Blesta => NOW. Blesta is great and professional software.

    ++

    alexvolk said: You may congratulate me now, I've enough successful projects.

    Why I should explain which team and company? Does it really matter? As I've already said, I'm trying to sell my software here?

    You can't just prove yourself by writing texts. You have to show concrete things. Otherwise, you look like a very speaking man.

  • Tr33nTr33n Member

    Sitemio said: This guy got a racist approach, because he's interested in why the product name isn't Turkish. Can't Turks use a global English name? Anyways.

    At first, I thought WISECP might gain market share in a few years and I was more on the side of WISECP instead of alex. But when I look at this public dispute and the lack of professionalism in communication, I have my doubts. When you came with this racism garbage, you have lost the discussion (in my eyes).

    You always say that Blesta also has encrypted files for which they do not give a reason. You did corrected this later, but if you had informed yourself accordingly before, you would know that this is, according to blesta, just to protect the licensing system.

    Incidentally, you can not compare WISECP and Blesta. Blesta only has 4 files encrypted, in your software are - as far as I read - almost all files encrypted. Simple math says that in Blesta 4 files could contain malicious code or anything else inside, which can not be found by users easily. At WISECP however this is the case in all files.

    Sitemio said: So we apologize for not being active on LET anymore. You can follow us with the following communication channels.

    To avoid a shitstorm and an escalation, that would probably be the best.
    You could regret the thread at some point in the future.

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  • alexvolkalexvolk Member
    edited May 2019

    Sitemio said: Using Curl or Guzzle or Composer on the software does not constitute any negativity, security or a problem. Why are you hanging on to this? Or you can't find anything else?

    You still can't understand. Why are you using multiple trucks when you can use just one which can handle everything?

    I'm against reinventing a wheel.

    If you've installed composer use packages that is available. Don't copy libraries folder and don't try to use by hand something that already implemented in a better way.

    Sitemio said: We have considered feedback and we have identified our brand as unique and product related. You gotta get out of this.

    You should get out of your ego and listen and reread maybe. One day you'll succeed /s

    Sitemio said: Your decoding doesn't mean anything. Everyone should see this. It doesn't matter how many of the encrypted files are in this topic. 1 file may also have a security problem in 50 files. That's why you should pass.

    The chances that your software has billions of bugs/security issue in 50 files are much bigger than in 4 files. Those files are used only for licensing. It doesn't touch main logic for example as this one:

    If you've a best GET/POST Filter library which is protecting against any security (sql injections and etc) over there why don't share it on Github or just make it open source?

    So everyone at least be informed about your "security" practices and your "level" of code.

    Reminds me scripts from CodeCanyon (facebook clones for instances). Does that mean they're secure?

    Sitemio said: HMM, let's see. Here's a great example
    Sitemio said: Let's see what you're saying. Delete your software and start using Blesta => NOW. Blesta is great and professional software.

    Just chill out and come back. It was sarcasm lol :smiley:

    Sitemio said: I don't have enough free time for you. Otherwise, you look like a very speaking man.

    You too.

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  • @alexvolk oooo look who we have here, a know it all.

    Using curl instead of guzzle? Big deal!

    "Hey guys, someone is using curl", lets try to make a big fuss out of it.

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  • @PremiumN said:
    @alexvolk oooo look who we have here, a know it all.

    Using curl instead of guzzle? Big deal!

    "Hey guys, someone is using curl", lets try to make a big fuss out of it.

    Let me repeat it again. Guzzle does use curl by default (if its available) so this isn't fuss about it.

    However, this shows only lack of knowledge. That should be enough. :wink:

    Trying to be positive and friendly :)

  • @sitemio

    Make your monthly subscription to $2 / month. Then people will consider it, with its current state and all. I have been using box billing (customized), for years and it just works.

    You should give more incentive to use your software, if you can't give quality / open sourceness, at least make it cheap.

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  • XiNiXXiNiX Member, Provider

    @Sitemio

    Dude, I think all @alexvolk is trying to stress is, you need to accept a scrutiny to make your product a Great , Reliable product which will be used by companies as their heart and brain.

    Some time ago, a different member @SecNinja has made similar observations and comments for some cPanel like software.

    It may sound a bit harsh, but its never wrong if you can build a better product.

    My humble advise : take it positively.

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  • PieHasBeenEatenPieHasBeenEaten Member, Moderator

    @Sitemio I am not going to lock this thread at all. It is a open discussion on the matter. Who is doing the security audit on the software? Has it been audited by a reliable third party?

  • @PieHasBeenEaten said:
    @Sitemio I am not going to lock this thread at all. It is a open discussion on the matter. Who is doing the security audit on the software? Has it been audited by a reliable third party?

    According to him, It's being audited, so the result haven't come out yet.

  • Nate812Nate812 Member

    This code base is not secure.

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