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SpamAssassin is written in perl and is super slow. The Dspam from 2003 is totally different from the Dspam of 2008.
SpamHaus = abusive, corrupted police state
CISCO's SpamCop = friendly neighborhood police
Perl can be one of the fastest interpreted languages for text processing. There's lots of sticks to beat Perl with but I probably wouldn't attribute it to text processing being slow. Every language has it's place and even a slower language can be a better choice if the dev team know it better or have a plan for it in their minds.
except Java of course.
Yes, you're comparing python and perl, two interpreters but dspam is written in C.
Of course but for a lot of people here micro optimisations aren't so important as long as the system runs quite light generally. An extra few ms to scan a document isn't going to make a difference.
There's a shift away from pointless optimisations, writing code for humans interpreted by machines, not code written for machines interpreted by humans. Of course most people wouldn't find Perl more readable but you see my point. Most mail servers aren't scanning thousands of mails a second, they're scanning maybe a few an hour.
My original point was that it's only slow in comparison to benchmarks using C. In every day usage you probably won't notice your mails coming through quicker.
I totally agree, I was saying about it because people were talking about heavy e-mail services.
Fair play. I think I spent too much time around programming language purists in my youth... ;P
So change 10+ years to 6 years and the point is the same - a lot of people find local filtering is not enough. If it was, SpamHaus wouldn't exist.
I'm not defending SH - for all I know they're evil incarnate. But people want more than local filtering.
Yep, the Austrian .at registry was listed entirely on Spamhaus - Including and obviously targeted at their mailservers - for not removing a domain (used in Spam as redirector iirc) registered with (what Spamhaus said) fake data (which, at this time, would have violated Austrian law.)
Spamhaus posted a new bunch of FUD on their page.
Spamhaus attempt to get the credit of the arrest of a youngster in the UK and thanks the "great police" for their work, a distraction to mitigate the will of these organizations to investigate Spamhaus.
The youngster was not arrested because of Spamhaus but rather because the story used to be mediatized and thus caused the investigation. The kid was not part of any discussion on stophaus.com but used the popularity of the site to sponsor the attacks.
However, Spamhaus by simply using their disinformation tactics caused the arrest of Sven Olaf Kamphuis.
After spending couple of weeks in jail, Sven Olaf Kamphuis was released and all charges were dropped, he returned to live in Spain and no criminal case is proceeding to trial.
Maybe the police would be also interested in investigating how Stephen (Steve) Linford purchased his villa in the Balearic Islands? Or maybe the one in France? Or, how he acquired a yacht, cars... More about this in the upcoming posts.
Good day,
I am searching for volunteers to help me to edit the articles on wikipedia that Stephen (Steve) Linford has been actively editing.
This concerns, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Linford and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spamhaus_Project
I need people who are experienced in English.
The mission is to remove the propaganda and the misleading information.
To keep the changes active I also need help to write to the wikipedia's moderation team that the propaganda was entirely written by the Spamhaus people, I have all the evidences but I need to put this in form. Therefore we would need to fill the talk page of these articles.
If you're interested please send me a PM.
Very much appreciated.
@SASP send me a PM. I would be willing to donate some additional services, including SEO, to get this important story out.
I can do some stuff to, PM if needed - also @SASP that wiki page has been changed.
Hmm?
Natale M Bianchi
@joelgm - Obviously @SASP meant, "experienced in English." What was your point?
Someones stripping the updated Wiki again.
Spamhaus bastards. Restore it and put a note in the talk page to tell admins that they're actively editing their own page (not allowed).
@0xdragon its back in for now, will add notes next time
SEO spammers love Gmail. That is what I know.
How can you prove that?
Actually, gmail is managing spam by themselves pretty well without any "lists" which should be only for the little guys. Microsoft. yahoo are both large enough to put some serious filters there, but they either dont care or intentionally use those lists to make email from small email hosts and self-hosted impractical in most cases, microsoft blacklists any new IP from what I saw, when we got our blocks in US microsoft blacklisted it automatically even tho there was no case of blacklisted ip there.
Uhh, maybe somebody just isn't putting much effort in this time putting it back but here's what I see:
Did you consider the reason they removed it is that they're allegations, still without much proof, on some forum somewhere. If I was a wikipedia editor I'd remove that too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ten_Simple_Rules_for_Editing_Wikipedia#Rule_6._Cite.2C_cite.2C_cite
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It's not the man keeping you down, it's shitty editing. If you want it on wiki prepare to do some proper citing. If you keep doing it they'll lock the page from changes and you won't have a chance anymore.
Yes, I meant "experienced", I don't know why I've written "experimented" at all.
Please be careful when editing wikipedia right now, as I've told the first point was to reverse the changes made by the Spamhaus people, especially Stephen (Steve) Linford.
As you see, wikipedia requests possibility to verify the claims and I have them.
I will make a new post later with the demonstrations.
Once again, thanks to everyone who is committed to help. The posts get more attention and support than I thought and this is very good.
I think we have an opportunity to put an end to the embezzlements of this organization for good.
I am though surprised that wikipedia pointed out that a link to this forum is not sufficient, I think the admin did not read the post as I believe that we've got enough information to prevent denial of the facts.
Good news, I can see that some of the accounts used by Spamhaus were banned from wikipedia. Some even decided to retire on their own before the revelations.
I can see that Stephen (Steve) Linford is still active on the talk page to attempt to commit edits.
He does not fear of being pathetic:
In this one he very wants wikipedia to update the number of users using his censorship system:
Exactly. +1
Please take your wikipedia ego tiffs elsewhere. Sincerely, lurker.
SpamCop is owned by Cisco, not a little independent organization, so it seems much less likely they'd get all power-trippy.
Does Gmail use Spamhaus blacklists?
Posted by Al Iverson on Wednesday, July 9, 2014
[ http://www.spamresource.com/2014/07/does-gmail-use-spamhaus-blacklists.html ]
Probably, implies Return Path based on a correlation between a typical Spamhaus blacklisting and drop in inbox delivery rates at Gmail. I think it's safe to assume that Google does use Spamhaus data for some sort of reputation calculation impacting Gmail deliverability.