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I am not just talking about PCs, but I have other Android phones in mind. Apple is just making it way too easy for consumers to choose these days. Add their fusion of Apple chips and Apple software, developers have a clear win.
As for Android/PC market share, it has been declining, and it can be clearly seen by taking a walk down a train in London, or a university classroom . PC and Android have a cost advantage in developing nations, especially now that a lot of phones are made in India, but low cost also justifies the lack of significant innovation.
Times will tell.
Haha, check stats and you will see in past one year how much Windows has grown. PC shipments increased.
I am not surprised, with all the weird new $200 Windows 10 laptops. They'd make a compelling choice for students, or in countries with a lower GDP per capita.
That's not the argument, what I'm saying is that Windows will mostly remain on Intel or AMD processors. So there is no way Apple adopting their own chip making those chip makers go away.
FYI, almost every office, airports, tv channels, factories, even those factories assembling iPhone and Mac are using windows.
Shipments != Market Share
But anyway, this thread is going to descend into a LET special so I will leave it there.
With every shipment, there is windows license and an Intel or AMD processor.
Innovation!!?? Really??
By repackaging the device after increasing length is innovation?
BTW, why user will pay $$$ extra for a feature which they never use or need to?
It's called commonsense to pay for something they really needs in their daily life.
If a $500 device can fulfill their require task then it's not make any sense to pay $1500 for a overhype device.
Now this post became an advertisement of Apple
Even by claiming Lowend Windows only for poor countries
For my understanding peoples from lower gdp countries have better understanding of value for money
Obviously, everyone is allowed to have their own preferences. No one is saying a $500 laptop is bad when that's all you need. But it's also very short sighted not to recognise the strengths of other brands, especially disregarding the innovation that Apple consistently pushes every year.
Yeah, the MacBook feels a bit old fashion, and I wish there was a similar product like the Surface Book, but seriously, just, no..
When you pull out a Windows laptop in an investor meeting trying to run a presentation and your laptop wakes up with "1 out of 11 updates applied" message, then we speak. It's the little things completely against productivity and speed which is important when you work for 5 companies..
Intel, having the largest consumer market share, will only lose to AMD and ARM chip makers for years to come. Samsung is getting in the game with ARM laptops that'll get better at a decent rate each generation. ARM can't do the super high end stuff, the 64/128 core $50k stuff Apple will need to continue to buy from Intel (or switch to Epyc) for at least another 4 years.
Your logic is flawed. Android user more, wayyyyyy more than those of ios. Android marketshare is almost three times that of IOS. The same goes for Windows vs Mac.
If developer want to make their apps available for most users, they will develop for android. Also developing on android is cheaper. You don't have to use mac and it's pay once forever, instead of anually for ios.
Perhaps developing on ios is easier, that's the only reason, I can think of why developer develop for ios first.
Windows / Android isn't goind anywhere soon. It would be stupid abandoning 70% of marketshare
It’s to do with the market share of Apple in Western Europe and North America. In other countries, developing for Android first would make perfect sense. The quality and majority of apps on the Apple App Store speaks by itself.
As for Android phones, just because more of them exist, doesn’t mean they’re better. I was considering the smart phone business - you can make semi-decent Mediatek smartphones at $90 cost per unit. The industry standard is “cost equals 1/3 of RRP“. It’s very rewarding.
Look at all the Ford Fiesta’s outside. Not many Tesla’s out there though.
Again, my point is, now that Apple claims to be making better chips than Intel, their products will be profoundly different in terms of cooling, performance, developer resources. Up until now, they only made the fastest smartphone chips, but now they claim to be doing the same for desktop. This could change everything, as LinusTechTips himself said even though he doesn’t like Apple.
So far, Windows lacks any chip maker that exceeds Qualcomm chips, and Apples mobile chips are already a few years ahead of them. Think what their desktop class ARM chips will be like.
The other thing, which most consumers don't know, is the cost to license and purchase Qualcomm chips. They're not cheap at all. In some cases they equal 60-70% of the manufacturing cost of the device running them. This is bad for consumers. It's really bad when a manufacturer has to compromise on other things in order to fit a chip that's half as fast as the current Apple chip. By getting a Qualcomm phone, which are the fastest Androids, you are compromising on other things including future support (because Google patches are first released to the SoC maker), just to allow the ODM to breakeven while you fund multiple levels of companies in the background.
Apple products don't need to deal with any of that when production cost for parts / chips is controlled by Apple themselves.
What? Apple chips are NOT years ahead of Samsung. You are grossly misinformed or big Apple Kool-Aid drinker.
Bullshit. Source?
Apple has the largest margins out of anyone, so they're the ones taking advantage and not providing value that other manufacturers are.
What? First of all, Google/Android drivers and support will only get better, as they move to separate the OS and device specific drivers so OS can be updated outside of manufacturers. What your point should have been was that an Apple phone compromises whenever it lacks Qualcomm features. That's fact.
What? Do you mean price fixing, which Apple has done several times in several industries? Apple doesn't make their own parts, they contract every single thing including fabricating their chips. Samsung builds more Apple parts than Apple. Remember, Apple shit is "designed in California".
Not really true. In North America it's 50:50, but in Europe android left apple in the dust with 70%
The point still valid. Android and Windows still the biggest os on earth. Because they can be installed on pretty much anything. Even a toaster.
Just because Apple has a better hardware / os. Doesn't make the other suddenly dead. Windows / android is targeting different demographic than those of Apple. They won't go anywhere soon.
Hurts coming from a channel in support of Android, doesn't it?
Or you could get the necessary equipment and count the transistors yourself.
Contact any Chinese ODM to confirm this for you. I've worked with a few myself. Ask specifically for pre-agreement licensing. You can't just buy a Qualcomm chip, you need to license it first, and it's not cheap. It's not cheap after it's licensed too. I've worked with a few myself.
You really need to do your research before following the meme community or your own desires to mock the premium. As Gary in the video above mentioned, it is a different business model. With Android, you profit everyone at Qualcomm, and then at Samsung, but you sacrifice approximately half the performance so they can all breakeven.
Now that Apple and Android pricing is the same on the high end, you really need to think who provides better value. That's why Apple dominates the high-end market.
This is like saying the contractor making a building is the one who designed it. Huge difference.
This is about the future of chips and platforms using them. Apple Silicon will forever change chip makers and software. Like it or not.
And it's not like there's a difference in end user pricing anymore. Samsung, Google and Apple all have lower end and premium lineups matching each others prices.
Jesus fuck, did you just provide a video from some random dude as a source rather than benchmarks?
Again, all this shit is known from Samsung and Apple lawsuits going back years. Why say shit like this without being informed?
I've actually signed a Qualcomm licensing agreement at a previous job and were Qualcomm licensed for something like 10 years. I know what seems like a lot of money to you, is actually very little when you're a big player (we weren't). Having access to technology before the market, reference designs, access to engineers, etc, all cost money and have value above paying for commodity chips.
What? Again, don't know Gary, don't give a fuck. Apple margins are public knowledge. You also are under some weird belief Qualcomm and Samsung makes money on every Android, despite the fact there's like 50+ Android mfg's, several CPU makers, and the whole fucking thing is open, compared to single market Apple. What is this sacrificed performance shit you're going on? Samsung has a reputation for cheating to increase performance, Apple has the reputation for intentionally sacrificing performance at the expense of the customer.
No, it's not. You totally failed to see my point. Apple needs other companies to make every single thing they sell. Samsung doesn't, they actually make the goods they sell. Samsung owns their own foundries to build their chips. Apple needs to purchase foundry time years in advance. Apple doesn't own the CPU technology, Samsung and other foundry's do.
Well yes, but I never said otherwise.
My whole point was Apple arm chips are not going to be beating Intel desktop chips in price or performance anytime soon, let alone think Apple's ARM chips are "years ahead", and they most certainly are not.
'shrug'
Evidence?
I'm not sure that you really know and understand that market segment. Hint: Linus or some gamers rig is NOT relevant nor is it the ruler along which that market measures.
An Arm processor is an Arm processor, no matter how much you optimize it (and the same goes for x86). The Arm's strengths are performance/Watt and that it has less ugly history baggage than X86.
Also do not overlook the fact that there are always two sides. Yes, Arm managed to break the "all halfway reasonable desktops are x86 based" monopoly, which btw. is to do with Microsoft too, and maybe more, than with x86. But that also means that intel could come up with a new baggage free architecture. And anyway Microsoft could come up with a Windows for Arm (they have quite a bit of experience in that field already).
How about "because the Windows market is massively larger than the Apple market", which to make it worse also is quite tightly controlled.
Well, I am a developer and as a matter of fact I like neither Android nor the Apples OSs but when I include a mobile target in some project it's always Android; I do not and will not develop for Apple targets.
Pardon me but it seems you've got it wrong. It is the Apple OSs that are the exotic target. To make an application for Unix/linux and Windows is relatively easy to do. Android is a quite different thing, but can be included with some extra efforts. Including Apple OSs in the target list however f_cks everything up. That's one of the reasons I don't touch that.
Virtually nothing. Apple is a non-entity in data centers (except for some designer and/or yuppie weirdos)
Otherwise Arm actually is an increasingly attractive DC architecture. But that's usually not about "outperforming X86" but rather about same performance, less energy costs and/or about many cores.
Frankly, it seems to me that you very very much overestimate Apples significance.
For a start: what is a chipmaker? One who designs chips? Those are a dime a dozen. Or one who actually fabricates chips? Those are relatively few - and Apple is not one of them.
About the only mingling I see in the real world are linux users with Apple notebooks because they think their build quality is so good (can't judge that, never had an Apple product).
By WHOM? I can assure you that the vast majority of real engineers don't care at all about Linus, iJustine and the likes. Actually we even don't know about most of them.
And btw. the actually real world market is not about the extremes. That whole Linus tech tips and similar segments reminds me about TV shows about Lamborghinis and Rolls Royces; people love to watch that ... but they (continue to) drive a VW or a Peugeot.
Pardon me but what have you been smoking?
Your whole story is based on the very unlikely case that Apple somehow manages to continually for quite some period of time have a processor that is way faster and better than all others. (a) I would not even risk betting more than 10 cents on Apple having the fastest and best processor at all, let alone for a not insignificant period of time. (b) THE decisive ingredients in that field are lots of money, lots of experience, and a few exceptional engineers. Apple is not the only party having money and good engineers and they do not (yet) have lots of experience.
Oh and btw, Qualcomm makes a lot of noise but actually is not (or rather rarely and fora short period of time) leading the field of processors. Do not take smartphone processor reviews to have general significance.
But as you seem to like being worried, let me offer something that might (and I think will) really upend at least part of the playing field: SMIC, the major chinese fab is currently ramping up their 14 nm production capacity from 100000 wafers per month(!!) to double of that. Now, 14 nm might sound boring but keep in mind that (a) 14 nm is intels current gate size in actualy production, (b) very many products do not need 12, 10 or 7 nm, and (c) SMIC isn't sleeping either.
From what I see that translates to major shifts in the chip and processor market in the next few years.
It's not a matter of could. They already did. Microsoft + Qualcomm has already have their product rolled out last year. It's called always connected PC. Whereas apple only just announce it a few weeks ago.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/b/always-connected-pcs
Of course non native apps will still have to run trough some kind of emulator.
https://www.macrumors.com/2020/06/29/apple-rosetta-2-a12z-beats-surface-pro-x/
Interesting stuff. Rosetta 2 just might be as high performing as they suggested in their demos during the event.
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