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finalhosting down
finalhosting, all, their web site, their customer panel, my VPS, everything down.
A quick mtr shows that a "temp router" of bitency (who- or whatever that is) has a packet loss between 70% and 100%.
So far I'd just shrug and think "Well, that can happen to everyone". What really seriously pisses me off, though, is that CloudF'&!§ is in between me, the client, and finalhosting, the provider.
Dear finalhosting: please understand that a provider using CloudF'&!§ not only creates a very ugly dependency but also risks to be seen as a declaration of professional bankruptcy. Is your network and site so lousy and poor that CloudF'&!§ can make it significantly faster?
Get rid of that cancer or you'll lose customers.
Side note: Some cogent box also loses packets but less badly than bitency.
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Did AF striked again ?
Well, that escalated quickly. Anyway, lots of providers use CloudFlare and using a CDN has very little to do with network quality.
@jordynegen11
finalhosting finally down
Yeah pinging their test ip ( 185.211.51.1 ) showed 75% packet loss while pinging their
DDoS protected test IP ( 151.80.54.129 ) showed 100% loss.
Based on my (short) experience I still think that finalhosting is a fine provider. The network outage was worth to be mentioned but maybe that's soon solved. Shit happens, even to the best. But them putting the CloudF'&!§ cancer between themselves and me seriously pisses me off.
Let's add this to your review retroactively.
https://status.finalhosting.nl/en/
I have filed a complaint with the EU.
I did the online chat with support and they said:
Let's take hold of their servers!
Feel free to add it (quoting me if you like). If I was (as some "smart" idiot suggested) really shilling for finalhosting I wouldn't have created this thread here.
Nope, I was honest when I wrote my review and I'm honest now, clearly stating my dislike.
I guess that CF couldn't help with this after all.
@donli
Hmmm, that would match what I see looking at some involved networks. I see at least 2 other (major) european/global backbone networks with significant packet loss too (20 - 30%).
But I also see that CloudF'&!§ is utterly worthless. Any serious and professional provider should dump them.
Things seem to be back to normal. Pings being answered 100% and status:
https://status.finalhosting.nl/en/
I'm pleased to call the alarm off. finalhosting is reachable and working again it seems.
And: CloudF'&!§ is utterly worthless. It didn't do any good during the DDOS.
Edit: ->
Edit 2: That was their status info. But now they are up and running again.
We can now all sleep peacefully tonight.
The end was not for final.
tough crowd and a bitter pill ... as always, perhaps best taken with a grain of salt
It's not completely worthless if a) you can set it up correctly b) your backend is not on the same infra that's down... I hate to say it, but CF saved my bacon during times like these.
If they leaked their actual IPs and the DDOS targeted those, then yes CF is useless.
If you are fully behind CF and no origin IPs are being leaked you're more or less fine.
one more supplier has a problem...who's next
A grain of potassium basalts.
always more than one way to fry potatoe I say
in all seriousness and with due respect to finalhosting, at least maybe better to get the immersive learning experience sooner rather than later - seems like they may yet emerge on the other side of this ddos muppetry hopefully a bit stronger / wiser for the trouble.
I want to say "good luck with your cloudflare" but ... feels bad man.
so, good luck with your good luck then - may this not be the final chapter - and may the spirit of Janevski's potassium-enriched potatoe guide you through all the bullshit.
Ramen.
Hey everyone, listen. Do you hear? It's the shit-wind blowing.
Shit-barometer readings are off the charts sir!
Their response
Not arguing, it's a genuine question:
What is the problem with a hosting provider using Cloudflare for their website/customer control panel?
Plain is considered insure, thats why invented SSL, now called TLS.
What it does, it encrypts the Transport Layer, so the content inside of it, is protected, does not matter if the content inside is plain or encrypted.
Now comes Cloudflare into the game, AntiDDoS (OSI Layer 7, application) does only work if it can look inside.
What Cloudflare does, it breaks the End of End secured communication.
Means a 3rd party looks into your stuff, that you actually would securely communicate with your provider.
TLDR: They break encryption.
And worse, it may look like a secure connection but the connection from cloudflare to the webserver may be even communicate in plain.
Just do not use Cloudflare.
Still waiting for a Company that is getting sued for using it.
Are you certain about that?
Because (correct me if my info is wrong) if the hosting server has SSL/TLS certificates installed, Cloudflare can be set up to connect using the secure connection to the hosting server. At least they claim so here:
https://community.cloudflare.com/t/crypto-settings/53186
Do you know how to test this - if I know my (shared) hosting server IP address and (of course) my domain name?
You can change the setting to secure yes, you can also change it to plain or accept invalid certificates. For a visitor, there is no chance to verify it.
For you, simply force TLS, and check the logs.
If it does not work, Cloudflare will let you know.
Still a 3rd party looks on your data.
Its not like, if you have not cloudflare infront, you getting hacked.
I never used cloudflare for any productive websites, never had issues.
It just works, they make people fear, you need to use cloudflare or your site is slower or gets hacked faster, all bullshit.