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    stay away from cloudflexy(rackhost.co,dedicenter.com), a dishonest hosting provider

    gongyigongyi Member
    edited November 2017 in General

    dear all ,Thanks a lot for your attentions ,

    on October 12 , for my poor english , my friend (@kyaky) helped me here to look for help. all details are in the thread ,https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/126905/aff-earning-collection-advice-reputation-on-cloudflexy-rackhost-co-dedicenter/p1

    on 18th, April, Cloudflexy(Rackhost) contacted me asking if i can promote products to Chinese market from LET. https://imgur.com/a/5LZ5q

    It's already 2000+ sales for Cloudflexy(rackhost.co,dedicenter.com),

    i have ask for so many time to request my affiliate money , delay , delay , delay , it is more than 2 months . i have not received the rest of money yet.

    now , i need to share something new :

    the boss broke his words too much in tickets ......

    they have added some new servers in singapore location , it is not the same datacenter as before in OVH , this is a new one (readyserver.sg)!

    added some more servers with 10Gbps port in LA (psychz.net) ...

    added some more servers in taiwan location .

    do not pay for affiliates , still add more servers ,

    a dishonest hosting provider , i think all you should watch out .

    thanks !

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    • i'm gongyi friend,i'm agree gongyi saying

    • @soukouzen said:
      i'm gongyi friend,i'm agree gongyi saying

      Ok? Are you sure you're not gongyi agreeing with gongyi?

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    • soukouzensoukouzen Member
      edited November 2017

      @kingjj said:

      i say i'm agree.

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    • i'm gongyi friend too.

    • gosh they still haven't paid you? man vps promoting are such a hard business.

    • corbpiecorbpie Member
      edited November 2017

      Drop the banhammer on @racksx already

      grape

    • dearroydearroy Member, Provider

      Probably run into fund issue, does not seems to be professional.

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    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

      gongyi said: do not pay for affiliates , still add more servers ,

      How do you think they paid for those nodes?

      Francisco

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    • @Francisco said:

      gongyi said: do not pay for affiliates , still add more servers ,

      How do you think they paid for those nodes?

      Francisco

      i think they have paid for those servers , if not , all servers should be offline !

    • Agree with Gongyi!

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    • wimiuwimiu Member
      edited November 2017

      The network quality is much more important than how much money they give affiliate from customer's perspective.

    • @rcdfrd said:
      Agree with Gongyi!

      and you just signed up for stating this... aha.

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    • cociucociu Member, Provider

      i know you @gongyi you are a hard worker , at least with me you have been verry tolerate and verry good colaboration until now. If you have opened this thread i am sure you have consumed all your patciense and more you have wait much for this. I hope finnaly you will get your payment because you have work for this. Cheers.

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    • layfonlayfon Member
      edited November 2017

      Is there any reply after staff's response on 10/17 in your last screenshot? It looks a bit bad already, but it's better to read both sides' full story.

      wimiu said:
      The network quality is much more important than how much money they give affiliate from customer's perspective.

      So, you think it is okay for a company to refuse to give out something after that company promises to give. And, you think the company is still trustworthy?

    • I thought op had a history of false advertising.
      I would be happy if you didn't get anything XD

    • This needed a new thread?

    • perryoo11perryoo11 Member
      edited November 2017

      @AnthonySmith said:
      This needed a new thread?

      other topic - warn

      this topic - just gone too far. also for some dedicated hate.

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    • perryoo11 said: other topic - warn

      this topic - just gone too far. also for some dedicated hate.

      Not helpful, the OP thinks this place is his own personal sounding board, he thinks it is OK to lie and cheat to generate sales, but when it backfires everyone else is a monster.

      The OP needs to grow up.

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    • @AnthonySmith said:

      perryoo11 said: other topic - warn

      this topic - just gone too far. also for some dedicated hate.

      Not helpful, the OP thinks this place is his own personal sounding board, he thinks it is OK to lie and cheat to generate sales, but when it backfires everyone else is a monster.

      The OP needs to grow up.

      ok ok ok, I was trying to point the same as you saying.
      I do agree what you say.

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    • They are still present on your website/blog.

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    • gongyigongyi Member
      edited November 2017

      @LES said:
      They are still present on your website/blog.

      this is my mistake !

      all posts were removed in last month , but i have found some links such as tags in other posts about hongkong location , now all is removed !

    • I am gongyi and I agree with myself.

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    • ClouviderClouvider Member, Provider
      edited November 2017

      @AnthonySmith said:

      perryoo11 said: other topic - warn

      this topic - just gone too far. also for some dedicated hate.

      Not helpful, the OP thinks this place is his own personal sounding board, he thinks it is OK to lie and cheat to generate sales, but when it backfires everyone else is a monster.

      The OP needs to grow up.

      I don't read the particular site, but I firmly believe that when the hosting company agreed to work with him, they've committed to pay out money for the traffic OP sent there. Messages like 'I haven't planned budget for affiliates the month', or even worse, the silent treatment later, just don't cut it. I don't see the host complaining about false advertising, chargebacks or anything. He or she has simply no intention to pay up i there's anything more to what we've seen from the OP's screenshots.

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    • What? My friend gongyi just got cheated?

    • Clouvider said: I don't read the particular site, but I firmly believe that when the hosting company agreed to work with him, they've committed to pay out money for the traffic OP sent there. Messages like 'I haven't planned budget for affiliates the month', or even worse, the silent treatment later, just don't cut it. I don't see the host complaining about false advertising, chargebacks or anything. He or she has simply no intention to pay up i there's anything more to what we've seen from the OP's screenshots.

      Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, the way the host acted is a joke, that's what happens when you allow kids to start a business with little to no requirements.

      However I am sympathetic to the fact and do believe that the number of affiliate payments it says are due and the amount actually due are 2 very different figures due to chargebacks/refunds/disputes etc and this is in large due to the fact that the affiliate marketer is also a bit of a twat and just outright lies to generate sales.

      If I was your affiliate and told everyone in a language you did not understand that if you open a chargeback/dispute directly with the payment processor after 45 days you are guaranteed your money back no questions and I started putting my hand out on day 30 for my commissions, you would probably not be to happy to continue paying me either.

      That is essentially what the OP has done, and is known to do, and has done for a long time.

      TL;DR they are both ridiculous and probably deserve each other.

    • PieHasBeenEatenPieHasBeenEaten Member, Moderator

      This crap again? Why? Well you were basicly told to deal with this crap like a man. But, you comeback to gain more sympathy? Please stop.

    • @Falzo said:

      @rcdfrd said:
      Agree with Gongyi!

      and you just signed up for stating this... aha.

      I'm poor at english. I haven't registered my account until just now.

    • @rcdfrd said:

      @Falzo said:

      @rcdfrd said:
      Agree with Gongyi!

      and you just signed up for stating this... aha.

      I'm poor at english. I haven't registered my account until just now.

      what a coincidence I'd say...

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    • More diabetes.

      Catch me over at Primary DNS. If you want to chat I am done with this cesspool.

    • CloudconeCloudcone Member, Provider

      Hey bud, i'm sure you had bought good to some hosts and sleepless nights for few other hosts, everything has it's worst cases.

      Hope you will find a solution one way or another

    • I think the Cloudflexy was already doing fraud for u so..they are a faker.

      Agree with gongyi.

    • Start providing traffic that doesn't result in so many chargebacks or refunds, and you'll find many providers who are happy to take your traffic.

      I won't be back until @bsdguy is released.

    • People who hardly would've opened LET have suddenly revived just to agree with him?

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    • WSS said: Start providing traffic that doesn't result in so many chargebacks or refunds, and you'll find many providers who are happy to take your traffic.

      >

      Host made his own bed, now he should be made to lie in it. He knew that Gongyi hosted a chinese vm review site and probably saw another thread noting that he gets so many thousands of views, thought he was being mature & smart by requesting to create an aff partnership.

      Any host worth their salt should know the sort of clientele you may be exposed to when advertising in this end of the woods. (no offence intended).

      Unfortunately as I remember saying in the last thread, kiss the payments goodbye, I'd revoke any advertisement of him from your site as a temporary measure as means of payment to continue your relationship.

      I'd suspect cloudflexy is oversubscribed and with the influx of new customers he's rapidly ramping up his resources to compliment the demand. What he doesn't realize is that he's ramping up far too quickly and could lead himself into some bill troubles later down the line.

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    • @eastonch said:
      Host made his own bed, now he should be made to lie in it. He knew that Gongyi hosted a chinese vm review site and probably saw another thread noting that he gets so many thousands of views, thought he was being mature & smart by requesting to create an aff partnership.

      If they knew better, it's their own damn fault- agreed. There are some greedy idiots who seem to think that this traffic is going to have a 99% conversion rate, and are happy to payout to find that they're now deep into the hole.

      I won't be back until @bsdguy is released.

    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

      WSS said: Start providing traffic that doesn't result in so many chargebacks or refunds, and you'll find many providers who are happy to take your traffic.

      I dunno why they get so many chargebacks. I've talked to multiple large chinese focuses hosts over the past year and they rarely have that happen.

      They should pay what is due. Not every payment they got is charged back, or they would've banned gongyi and their paypal suspended.

      They owe the guy the money, they don't want to pay it. I don't know why they're allowed to walk all over the guy just because it's chinese focused customers. I know a few people like old man @anthonysmith doesn't want to deal with it due to LES, but of all the mountains of Chinese users I personally have, and the ones that signup, I think I've had literally 1 bad apple this year, and that was just them throwing off steam because they forgot to pay their invoice and got terminated.

      They knew what they were getting themselves into, they went out of their way to setup a partnership with them.

      Pay your vendors.

      Francisco

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    • @Francisco said:
      They knew what they were getting themselves into, they went out of their way to setup a partnership with them.
      Pay your vendors.

      Francisco

      This isn't the first time that this person with questionable traffic came to LET to shit on someone they expect money from, when their clientele is- shall we say "suspect" at best? It's just going to be the same post every month until the guy has run the gambit of idiots.

      I feel that one should keep their side of the bargain for what they agreed with, but I don't like this vendor's tactics, either. I vote them both off the island.

      I won't be back until @bsdguy is released.

    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider
      edited November 2017

      WSS said: This isn't the first time that this person with questionable traffic came to LET

      Whats questionable? The guy runs one of the biggest hosting related blogs in China, a country with a billion or so people. If your deal is half way decent he can drive a lot of traffic to you. The only reason any of the Colocrossing brands get signups these days is they live off the traffic this guy drives them. The CVPS dumps showed that Buffalo was one of their worst performing locations with LAX being their largest.

      I have a higher chargeback rate from this very forum than I do with Gongyi's userbase.

      The host is lying, simple as that. If they had as many chargebacks as they claimed their account would've been suspended. Anything past a 1% chargeback rate and Paypal sees you as a liability and will remove you from the system.

      Francisco

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    • @Francisco said:

      WSS said: This isn't the first time that this person with questionable traffic came to LET

      Whats questionable? The guy runs one of the biggest hosting related blogs in China, a country with a billion or so people. If your deal is half way decent he can drive a lot of traffic to you.

      I have a higher chargeback rate from this very forum than I do with Gongyi's userbase.

      The host is lying, simple as that. If they had as many chargebacks as they claimed their account would've been suspended. Anything past a 1% chargeback rate and Paypal sees you as a liability and will remove you from the system.

      Francisco

      Because it's the same story as the last host who withheld his payment last month?

      I don't care if he runs the biggest weeaboo image host- from my experiences in the past, I wouldn't trust his traffic.

      However, I'm glad it works for you. Why don't you buy his traffic for the next month and show us how it works out for you?

      I won't be back until @bsdguy is released.

    • @Francisco said:
      The host is lying, simple as that. If they had as many chargebacks as they claimed their account would've been suspended. Anything past a 1% chargeback rate and Paypal sees you as a liability and will remove you from the system.

      And even if they DID get such a high chargeback rate, that doesnt absolve them from their duty to pay the guy.

      Heck, they approached him with a "do you want to feature us on your site for affiliate payout", not the other way around. Even in their initial offering they stated 24h payout period.

      If they did not expect such a rush of customers, they should have plenty of money to pay the guy, or they fucked up their pricing.

      I like my uptime down low and my servers all hacked. Can see me droppin' twenty-fours with a router in the rack.
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    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

      WSS said: Because it's the same story as the last host who withheld his payment last month?

      The issue is the exact same then too. The host offered a price that they were already losing money on, and then owed Gongyi 20% on top of that. The host was already paying out of pocket to keep those customers, now they got a bill for X thousands of dollars?

      WSS said: However, I'm glad it works for you. Why don't you buy his traffic for the next month and show us how it works out for you?

      I don't have to 'buy' anything, and gongyi sends me traffic every once in a while anyway. He's been cross posting our offers since day #1 of BuyVM and we keep track of any funny affiliates, and Gongyi is far from being one.

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    • ClouviderClouvider Member, Provider

      Francisco said: The host is lying, simple as that. If they had as many chargebacks as they claimed their account would've been suspended

      I actually fail to find any statement from the host apart from what he said on the ticket, that he didn't plan his budget for payouts to the vendors - am I missing something?

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    • @Francisco said:

      WSS said: However, I'm glad it works for you. Why don't you buy his traffic for the next month and show us how it works out for you?

      I don't have to 'buy' anything, and gongyi sends me traffic every once in a while anyway. He's been cross posting our offers since day #1 of BuyVM and we keep track of any funny affiliates, and Gongyi is far from being one.

      Francisco

      I want to see you take his raw traffic and report on just how great it is when it's pointed directly at you- not a general spurt. I feel the host is at fault, but I again question the source. You're more than welcome to state exactly what you want- heck, you say he's been good for you. I highly doubt the directed traffic as being so clean.. but I'm not losing money on this sort of deal, so it's not like i have an iron in the fire anymore.

      I won't be back until @bsdguy is released.

    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

      teamacc said: And even if they DID get such a high chargeback rate, that doesnt absolve them from their duty to pay the guy.

      At the end of the day the guys site is extremely well known, he isn't passing a link between his buddies where you can think they're colluding to try to get free service and chargeback for the lulz.

      They have mountains of legit payments, pay the fucking man.

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    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

      Clouvider said: I actually fail to find any statement from the host apart from what he said on the ticket, that he didn't plan his budget for payouts to the vendors - am I missing something?

      The host claimed in a prior thread that they had 2 - 5 chargebacks a day coming in because of Gongyi's users.

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    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

      WSS said: I want to see you take his raw traffic and report on just how great it is when it's pointed directly at you- not a general spurt.

      I don't get what you mean. I've made some custom offers for him in the past, got a mountain of sales, and no problems with them.

      What am I missing in your definition of raw? Do I hijack his DNS and point it right at my site?

      Maybe I'm not getting the complete brunt of his userbase because I don't sell a $5/year service then complain that I'm making less than a McWage.

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    • @Francisco said:
      What am I missing in your definition of raw? Do I hijack his DNS and point it right at my site?

      Generally these "promotions" with the pay-for rate get top billing with clickthrough, traffic generation, and outright interesting sales tactics, than a "Here's a host for a price." posting. That's all.

      If this host is getting 2-5 chargebacks/day, I have to question just how many they were accepting. Then again, offering a 24 hour payout was just greed and/or stupidity. Nothing works that way.

      I won't be back until @bsdguy is released.

    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

      WSS said: If this host is getting 2-5 chargebacks/day, I have to question just how many they were accepting. Then again, offering a 24 hour payout was just greed and/or stupidity. Nothing works that way.

      So Gongyi shouldn't be punished because the host is retarded?

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    • @Francisco said:

      WSS said: If this host is getting 2-5 chargebacks/day, I have to question just how many they were accepting. Then again, offering a 24 hour payout was just greed and/or stupidity. Nothing works that way.

      So Gongyi shouldn't be punished because the host is retarded?

      Francisco

      That depends on his traffic.. and yet we continue in this wank.

      The fact that this isn't the first time he's come to LET after he's sent traffic to a host who says "Oh fuck chargeback central" makes me believe neither of them.. I don't implicitly blame the host alone.

      So I challenged you to take his high spot and see how it worked for you, as you are vouching for the traffic you do get from him, which you didn't seem to want to do. Which makes me question your own motivation to not accept such traffic, unless you're indirectly admitting that you wouldn't trust that you'd be able to convert it, either.

      I won't be back until @bsdguy is released.

    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider
      edited November 2017

      WSS said: So I challenged you to take his high spot and see how it worked for you

      I have taken the high spot, remember, we're borderline the original LEB, and definitely the first LEB that wasn't a deadpool waiting to happen. We used to do "chinese timezone" releases where we would post up 130 128MB VM's during prime China time so they wouldn't have to be awake in the middle of the night. We would sell out everything in about 20 minutes.

      Again, almost no chargebacks minus the problem child here & there.

      Most of the time the reason hosts start getting chargebacks is because they market it as one thing then either remove that thing (chinese optimized routes being replaced with something garbage) or completely butcher it so bad it's useless (oversell the node to the tipping point).

      Francisco

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