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Scaleway New Cloud Servers for Intensive Workloads

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  • Cloud ovh Vs cloud Scaleway???

  • No worries, I am the one who's late to your kind experiments ;-)

  • OVH has a wider range of stuff including much more powerful boxes, but they cost a lot more. See the other threads for Scaleway tests I did. Basically the 60GB server is comparable to a fast E3 in total cpu speed.

  • out of curiosity and for comparison...

    OVH SP-60-SSD - 4x 2,4GHz , 60GB , 0.194/hr or 70/m: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/1809308

    OVH EG-30-SSD - 8x 2,3GHz , 30GB , 0.222/hr or 80/m: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/1809353

    OVH HG-30-SSD - 8x 3,1GHz , 30GB , 0.333/hr or 120/m: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/1809392

    OVH SP-120-SSD - 8x 2,4GHz , 120GB , 0,389/hr or 140/m: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/1809445

    OVH EG-60-SSD - 16x 2,3GHz , 60GB , 0.444/hr or 160/m: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/1809495

    I don't have a scaleway account though - or at least not an active one, closed it after their beta and never needed to reactivate... so someone else needs to fill in those geekbenches ;-)

    keep in mind, that this is only related to cpu performance after all. also I ran it only once per instance so there will be tolerances.

    regardless if any OVH or scaleway or whatever instance, I'd say it heavily depends on what someone really needs to make the right decision on what to buy...

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  • If you can find a geekbench for a D-1531 that should be close. An E3-1230v3 or v4 should also be pretty close.

  • Well here is my E3-1230v3 for comparison https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/1809712

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  • @willie said:
    If you can find a geekbench for a D-1531 that should be close.

    there is not much to choose from ;-)

    maybe https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/1588522 - at least for full 12 cores.

    scaleway seems to make not much of a difference in terms of cpu performance between there instances - 10core vs 12core - but heavily reflect the RAM in their pricing ...

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  • williewillie Member
    edited February 2017

    The D-1531 is a 6 core 12 thread cpu, so if you run something on all 10 60GB VM threads you'll max out all 6 cores no matter what. Main question is whether there is anyone else using the machine also getting cycles. In my case I think there wasn't.

    I don't know if the 120GB VM uses the same cpu, or maybe the D1541, or someting else.

    The scores for the E1230v3 vs the D1531 were indeed very close, 12699 vs 12567 if I remember right (don't feel like reloading the pages to check).

    It would be nice if people posting these geekbench results could post the numbers and not just the slow-loading links. Thanks ;)

    If I feel extravagant in the next few days I might spend 35 cents and try to launch a 120GB Scaleway and run geekbench. They may be out of stock though since it's just a preview.

  • FalzoFalzo Member
    edited February 2017

    willie said: It would be nice if people posting these geekbench results could post the numbers and not just the slow-loading links. Thanks ;)

    hrhr not gonna happen, to lazy here ;-)

    (also doesn't load slow on my end...)

    the thing about that 10 cores/threads might just be some kind of marketing strategy and to have a difference in the visualization of their offers. depending on what hardware setup they are running those two threads might come in handy for handling overhead on the node itself.

  • willie said: Not sure what you mean? This isn't a super cpu, it's looking a bit faster than my E3

    Small non ARM scaleway instances rely on an Atom CPU if I'm not mistaken: power per core is lower than this D-1531. So if they could offer smaller servers (like their 4 x86 64bit Cores / 4GB Memory scaleway machine) with this CPU it could be interesting...

  • @datanoise said:

    willie said: Not sure what you mean? This isn't a super cpu, it's looking a bit faster than my E3

    Small non ARM scaleway instances rely on an Atom CPU if I'm not mistaken: power per core is lower than this D-1531. So if they could offer smaller servers (like their 4 x86 64bit Cores / 4GB Memory scaleway machine) with this CPU it could be interesting...

    Yes you have the C2750 for VC1 for their smaller plans. When they started they used a C2550 if I'm not mistaken.

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  • vfusevfuse Member, Host Rep
    edited February 2017
    120gb instance: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/1810800
    60gb instance: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/1810813
    

    Almost no difference in CPU power. I wonder why they choose to give 10 cores to the 60gb instance, what do they do with the remaining 2 on that machine?

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  • @vfuse said:
    120gb instance: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/1810800
    60gb instance: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/1810813

    Almost no difference in CPU power. I wonder why they choose to give 10 cores to the 60gb instance, what do they do with the remaining 2 on that machine?

    Guess is down to if they are actually running one VM per a physical or two and keeping the 2 spare threads so neither VM can max the CPU.

    Or they are just being conservative and giving the host OS 2 threads to work with.

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  • AshleyUk said: Guess is down to if they are actually running one VM per a physical or two and keeping the 2 spare threads so neither VM can max the CPU.

    that's actually a good point. maybe on the 12core instance with 120GB you get the cpu dedicated as is the RAM and on the smaller one they simply share the CPU for two instances and only RAM is dedicated.

  • Falzo said:

    OVH SP-60-SSD - 4x 2,4GHz , 60GB , 0.194/hr or 70/m: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/1809308

    How did you find these OVH geekbenches and match them up with OVH plans? Do you know of one for the HG-120? That's the fastest one so I gotta know ;).

  • Could something like Scaleway intensive cloud be used for Bitcoin mining? Would this recover back the investment at least to break even at the end of the month?

  • Lol, no, cpu mining hasn't been profitable for 5+ years, and these cpus aren't especially cheap.

  • @default said:
    Could something like Scaleway intensive cloud be used for Bitcoin mining? Would this recover back the investment at least to break even at the end of the month?

    I very much doubt it would be allowed nor as willie said profitable.

  • @willie said:

    Falzo said:

    OVH SP-60-SSD - 4x 2,4GHz , 60GB , 0.194/hr or 70/m: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/1809308

    How did you find these OVH geekbenches and match them up with OVH plans? Do you know of one for the HG-120? That's the fastest one so I gotta know ;).

    That was quite easy, cause I did them myself ;-)

    I might have a look into the HG-120 later, skipped it because I thought of it being out of scope for this comparison by price and performance...

  • williewillie Member
    edited February 2017

    Falzo said:

    That was quite easy, cause I did them myself ;-)

    Oh neat, have you got any more?

    Edit: hmm, wonder if HG-120 is this: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/160

  • FalzoFalzo Member
    edited February 2017

    @willie said:

    Falzo said:

    That was quite easy, cause I did them myself ;-)

    Oh neat, have you got any more?

    Edit: hmm, wonder if HG-120 is this: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/160

    yes, I'd agree, that is most probably the HG-120 (bios-string tells ubuntu@ovh)... if you like to compare I just did my own: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/1816500

    in case you wonder... OVH seems to bill per minute or something like that, so to spin up an instance yesterday, run bench, change server model, run bench, change server model... took around 50 minutes overall and they charge 0,19 € in sum for that.
    that said, running an HG-120 for around 10 minutes shouldn't cost much either ;-)

  • @Falzo said:

    @willie said:

    Falzo said:

    That was quite easy, cause I did them myself ;-)

    Oh neat, have you got any more?

    Edit: hmm, wonder if HG-120 is this: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/160

    yes, I'd agree, that is most probably the HG-120 (bios-string tells ubuntu@ovh)... if you like to compare I just did my own: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/1816500

    in case you wonder... OVH seems to bill per minute or something like that, so to spin up an instance yesterday, run bench, change server model, run bench, change server model... took around 50 minutes overall and they charge 0,19 € in sum for that.
    that said, running an HG-120 for around 10 minutes shouldn't cost much either ;-)

    Yeah OVH hourly is ideal for the odd how hour however they'll charge double compared to monthly if you use it for the full month.

  • @DrFallen said:

    Yeah OVH hourly is ideal for the odd how hour however they'll charge double compared to monthly if you use it for the full month.

    yes indeed!

    good thing is, you can switch a running instance any time over to monthly billing. you'll then get instantly billed pro-rata till the end of the month and from then monthly in advance.
    if you delete an instance while on monthly subscription, you are going to lose the money paid for the remaining time, so better do that in the second half of the month ^^
    in opposite consumption based on hourly rates is billed afterwards at the beginning of the next month...

    so far it seems fair and transparent once you get used it ;-)

  • Interesting, I guess the .19 € was based mostly on the SP-60. I haven't signed up for OVH cloud because they want a $40 deposit or something like that. A nice thing about Scaleway is there's no deposit required.

    Thanks for the benchmark and it sounds like OVH's $480/month server is maybe the speed 2x-2.5x a current E3 or the Scaleway that I just tested (though of course it has more ram and much HA storage). The recent 85€/month Scaleway promo is a bit slower but almost in the same league... makes it a bit hard to understand how those cloud servers are actually used.

    I guess I should stop drooling over big multicore servers and instead parallelize my stuff better to spread across boxes. Unfortunately I have 2 dedis and several storage servers spread across multiple DC's so network speed between everything is an issue. Consolidating everything at one DC would help. It's weird that Scaleway has 5gbps internal private network between servers, but Online.net's is only 100mbps unless you pay extra. OVH's is 10 gbps which I guess is another win for them.

    I'll do some i/o speed tests between my Online dedi and Scaleway. Spinning up several Scaleway Atom boxes through their API might and dealing out data from the E3 be a good way to do a fast computation. Each 8-core Atom is maybe 40% the speed of an E3, so 1/5 or 1/6th of the HG-120.

  • Meanwhile there's some very monstrous AWS spot instances that are affordable (main drawback is they are priced at the current highest bid, so you can get kicked off if someone outbids you):

    https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/spot/pricing/

    The X1.32xl at $1.7845/hour has 1.9TB of ram, 3.8 TB SSD, and 128 cpu threads (E7-8880 v3) if I read it right :O

    I might be interested in trying one of the P2 Nvidia-accelerated instances (starting at 12 cents/hour) to try some ffmpeg transcode benchmarks sometime.

  • @DrFallen said:

    @default said:
    Could something like Scaleway intensive cloud be used for Bitcoin mining? Would this recover back the investment at least to break even at the end of the month?

    I very much doubt it would be allowed nor as willie said profitable.

    Outside of the LE* universe, you can do anything you want with a VMs cores.

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  • iwaswrongonce said: Outside of the LE* universe, you can do anything you want with a VMs cores.

    absolutely +1! ;-)

  • iwaswrongonce said: Outside of the LE* universe, you can do anything you want with a VMs cores.

    I just mean mining btc is orders of magnitude away from being economical on any type of cpu. You'd be lucky to get a few cents worth of btc from running one of those servers for a month. Btc mining is only profitable when you have cheap electricity and ASIC rigs.

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