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EGI Hosting now offering VPS - guess that's why they wanted BuyVM gone....

qpsqps Member, Provider
edited February 2013 in General

Just received this:

Hello Friends:

>

For many years, EGI Hosting has been a leader of high quality and affordable dedicated servers and colocation services. Today, EGI Hosting announces the launch of their latest service and product offerings: Virtual Servers!

>

Using Enterprise hardware and specialized clustering software, EGI can now offer customers the same quality and affordable dedicated servers virtually. These virtual servers are self-managed and have many new features unavailable on standard dedicated servers. These virtual servers allow for instant reboots, instant shutdowns, free KVM access and unlimited and free Operating System reinstalls.

>

We are offering 3 Virtual Server Packages in San Jose and 2 packages in New York.

@Francisco - I wonder if this is why they wanted BuyVM gone...

Comments

  • Nick_ANick_A Top Provider

    Odd disparity in their plans.

    RamNode: High Performance Cloud VPS
    NYC - LA - ATL - SEA - NL - DDoS Protection
  • San Jose & New York.

    128 1 Core 20 GB 500 GB $25.00/yr San Jose
    2048 2 Cores 75 GB 5000 GB $49.00/mo San Jose / New York

    At first I saw this and was like, wow - 2gb ram for $49/year! then realized it jumps from $25/yr to /mo. Meh.

    It's so easy for people to throw together an onapp cluster and resell it.

    The fact that you can't seem to sign up and have to email also seems strange.

    Retired!

  • mnpeepmnpeep Member
    edited February 2013

    So that's why they were working on some nodes on Sunday...

    I'm still going for BuyVM, their DDoS protection is what makes me a customer.

    EDIT: I knew this one going to happen, I talked with one of the staff one day and it sounded like they wanted to go into the VPS market for a long time. Maybe BuyVM is what sparked the start of this service.

    http://www.maxshosting.com/
    Unofficial community troll. AMA!

  • pubcrawlerpubcrawler Banned
    edited February 2013

    EGI, what a shady dealer.


    Every 128M Unnmanaged Virtual Server will come with:

    • 1 CPU core (same as BuyVM)
      • 20GB RAID-10 Hard Drive Storage (5GB more than BuyVM)
      • 1 IPv4 Address (same)
      • 500GB Bandwidth per month. (same as BuyVM)

    Additional Features:

    • 24/7 Support by Email / LiveChat

      • Instant Server Reboot
      • Free OS Installs and Re-installs
      • Free Password Resets
      • Instant Upgrades

      • Up to 1000Mbps (1Gbps) Network Ports
        BuyVM is 1Gbps by default.
        Expect this to be an addon cost.

      • Maximum 1 IPv4 Address per server

      • Available in our San Jose Datacenter

      • SSD Read Caching (Select Nodes)
        Expect an addon cost

      • Offloaded MySQL (Coming Soon)
        BuyVM imitator.

      • Free IPv6 Addresses (Coming Soon)
        Yawn. True IPV6?

      • Free Reverse DNS (Coming Soon)

    But, EGI is offering KVM.... Me, I'd ask for a free trial to test throughput on their network first though. Refer to why BuyVM tired and left there.

  • @pubcrawler said: True IPV6?

    Yes, they definitely have it. I have a /64 from them.

    They are clearly trying to rival BuyVM since they are going with the same price point.

    http://www.maxshosting.com/
    Unofficial community troll. AMA!

  • qpsqps Member, Provider

    I re-read the e-mail and saw this at the bottom:

    In the coming weeks, we hope to have reseller offerings and a larger variety of Virtual products such as Xen, OpenVZ, and Storage Solutions.

  • @qps said: e-mail

    I didn't get any e-mail. I guess they know I'm a BuyVM customer. :/

    http://www.maxshosting.com/
    Unofficial community troll. AMA!

  • It gets more than having money and hardware to successfully sell low end vpses. Sure, having low price is probably going to result in lots of sales. However the amount of "bad apples" it also brings is not trivial... and if they are not prepared to deal with it... well, we will see what happens.

    -

  • Good luck. EGI's name is mud around here and WHT based on the BuyVM throughput fiasco.

    They'll continue the defensive posture blaming it on the customers router, switch, etc. That stuff won't fly though with folks who know/research.

    The only offer that competes directly seems to be that yearly one. The others are monthly and way pricey $49 and $99. Overpriced like most EGI offerings listed with prices on their website.

    Storage is another competitive area with BuyVM though. I doubt EGI will make inroads in this market.

  • mnpeepmnpeep Member
    edited February 2013

    @rds100 said: It gets more than having money and hardware to successfully sell low end vpses. Sure, having low price is probably going to result in lots of sales. However the amount of "bad apples" it also brings is not trivial... and if they are not prepared to deal with it... well, we will see what happens.

    They might become flooded with support tickets, which would be sad, knowing that there are colocation customers who would most likely need faster support for mission-critical applications. I guess we can only see what will happen.

    http://www.maxshosting.com/
    Unofficial community troll. AMA!

  • qpsqps Member, Provider

    @mnpeep said: I didn't get any e-mail. I guess they know I'm a BuyVM customer. :/

    We had asked for quotes from EGI in the past when we were considering co-locating with them, so I guess that's how we got on their mailing list.

  • @qps said: We had asked for quotes from EGI in the past when we were considering co-locating with them, so I guess that's how we got on their mailing list.

    I am colo'ing with them... And I'm not on that list.

    Also, here's the WHT thread:

    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1234610

    http://www.maxshosting.com/
    Unofficial community troll. AMA!

    • Offloaded MySQL (Coming Soon!)

    I would say I'm shocked.. lol

    www.NodeGurus.com - Professional Netherlands VPS & Dedicated Servers upto 10Gbps!

  • Hmm someone should report that post on WHT. It breaks WHT's rules.

    -

  • SpiritSpirit Disabled
    edited February 2013

    I am getting some bad (or lets say rather under average) latency results between EU and their NYC location (205.164.41.18). Just HE link?

  • mnpeepmnpeep Member
    edited February 2013

    @rds100 said: Hmm someone should report that post on WHT. It breaks WHT's rules.

    Hmm...

    @Spirit said: I am getting some bad latency results between EU and their NYC location (205.164.41.18 ). Just HE link?

    Yup, that's why BuyVM moved in the first place. Looks like they have the same issue on their own hardware.

    Also, let's tag @Francisco.

    http://www.maxshosting.com/
    Unofficial community troll. AMA!

  • That IP @mnpeep is EGI's that Spirit posted.

    I tested that and 69.6ms from Maidenhead in United Kingdom. Looks fine.

  • This is kind of interesting on their ad on WHT:

    Please keep in mind that order processing may take up to 1-2 business days.

    We have a VERY limited supply of KVM-128M plans. These are in SJC. First-come. First-Serve.

    That supply issues + 2 day potential wait isn't going to sit with lots of folks.

    Their network in NY from the UK, that looks great. 69ms is the lowest I have yet to see across the pond.

  • @mnpeep said: Hmm...

    Maybe i were wrong. I remember there was a WHT rule that said that all offers must include direct signup links for the product / services being offered. But i just went and reread the rules at WHT and couldn't find that particular rule. So maybe i don't remember right or the rules was removed or just i can't find it.

    -

  • @pubcrawler said: Their network in NY from the UK, that looks great.

    It seems good, direct HE link between, but sadly that doesn't seems the case for some other locations. I am wondering if it's pure HE only.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider
    edited February 2013

    Another copycat? Who'd have thunk it!

    The sad part is, my best bud that works for them is having to head up their VPS division. They aren't doing anything special outside of just straight KVM + solusvm on some boxes though.

    He used to work and hang in our staffing chats and such but we had to put an end to that when I saw the solus diagram on their whiteboard.

    I always knew that the day we left they'd be wanting to get into the market. The problem is that now they're going to likely piss off a lot of their chinese customers that resell their dedi's.

    Francisco

    BuyVM - Free DirectAdmin, Softaculous, & Blesta! / Anycast Support! / Windows 2008, 2012, & 2016! / Unmetered Bandwidth!
    BuyShared - Shared & Reseller Hosting / cPanel + Softaculous + CloudLinux / Pure SSD! / Free Dedicated IP Address
  • I just wanted to toss more into this.

    I was checking out traceroutes to the IP and file they posted in their ad(s).

    Very different routes to San Jose than what I saw with BuyVM.

    Running 60ms or so nearly coast to coast, which is also lower than I remember in San Jose.

    Network looks good, if they actually sell people that. Too afraid of the dog and pony bait show and shove you in a corner on bandwidth that can't exceed 2MB/s. Oh the San Jose days.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

    @pubcrawler said: Very different routes to San Jose than what I saw with BuyVM.

    Multiple people, even mnpeep and a few of their clients in #frantech, have shown that our routes were heavily modified to always favor HE instead of the full blend that we were paying for.

    Multiple times I asked to have HE removed from our blend for the sake of testing some routes and they always gave me some big blab about how they'd have to triple my price.

    Francisco

    BuyVM - Free DirectAdmin, Softaculous, & Blesta! / Anycast Support! / Windows 2008, 2012, & 2016! / Unmetered Bandwidth!
    BuyShared - Shared & Reseller Hosting / cPanel + Softaculous + CloudLinux / Pure SSD! / Free Dedicated IP Address
  • "All KVM plans include RAID-10 or RAID-1 (NYC) Hard Drive Storage"

    $49 monthly for a 2GB VPS with RAID 1? RAID 1???

  • Nick_ANick_A Top Provider

    popcorn amirite

    RamNode: High Performance Cloud VPS
    NYC - LA - ATL - SEA - NL - DDoS Protection
  • @Nick_A Correct.

    Discord: robert#8239

  • heavily modified to always favor HE instead of the full blend that we were paying for.

    That's some messed up stuff. I remember some of the routes and ping times.

    Since you were moving too much bandwidth, they had to rate limit you too.

    I am so glad BuyVM moved out. Shady a%% EGI.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

    @pubcrawler said: I am so glad BuyVM moved out

    I'm getting over the fact we had to put the clients through it.

    Some clients didn't take kindly to it but the amount of cancellations we had hat were upset over the move is very low (< 15 vm's).

    I'm happy with how Vegas is turning out for us though. Once the 10 gig is in place I'll be happy :)

    Francisco

    BuyVM - Free DirectAdmin, Softaculous, & Blesta! / Anycast Support! / Windows 2008, 2012, & 2016! / Unmetered Bandwidth!
    BuyShared - Shared & Reseller Hosting / cPanel + Softaculous + CloudLinux / Pure SSD! / Free Dedicated IP Address
  • mnpeepmnpeep Member
    edited February 2013

    @Francisco Before, HE wasn't a problem, since the DDoS VPSes never touched HE, only EGI's router. Now, it is being forced to use HE in order to move traffic from LV to SJ, which is causing some problems. Maybe I'll move to LV once my term is up. I still have another 7 months to go though.

    http://www.maxshosting.com/
    Unofficial community troll. AMA!

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

    @mnpeep said: it is being forced to use HE in order to move traffic from LV to SJ,

    I'll ask Rob if he can adjust routes maybe.

    HE shouldn't be causing any problems unless EGI is still getting wrecked by floods.

    Francisco

    BuyVM - Free DirectAdmin, Softaculous, & Blesta! / Anycast Support! / Windows 2008, 2012, & 2016! / Unmetered Bandwidth!
    BuyShared - Shared & Reseller Hosting / cPanel + Softaculous + CloudLinux / Pure SSD! / Free Dedicated IP Address
  • mnpeepmnpeep Member
    edited February 2013

    @Francisco

    Here are the routes if you need them:

    From SJ to LAS:

    traceroute to REDACTED (REDACTED), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
    1 REDACTED (REDACTED) 4.266 ms 4.922 ms 0.223 ms
    2 v995.core1.sjc1.he.net (64.71.150.21) 0.272 ms 0.209 ms 0.243 ms
    3 10gigabitethernet2-1.core1.sjc2.he.net (72.52.92.118) 0.427 ms 0.494 ms 2.181 ms
    4 10gigabitethernet5-3.core1.lax2.he.net (184.105.213.5) 11.587 ms 11.742 ms 11.818 ms
    5 10gigabitethernet3-1.core1.las1.he.net (184.105.222.162) 16.241 ms 16.296 ms 16.293 ms
    6 vegasnap-llc.10gigabitethernet5-1.core1.lax2.he.net (64.62.249.90) 16.413 ms 16.457 ms 16.361 ms
    7 10.1.1.2 (10.1.1.2) 16.476 ms 16.386 ms 16.444 ms
    8 205.185.112.170 (205.185.112.170) 16.743 ms 16.957 ms 16.725 ms
    9 ddos.maxsmcservers.com (REDACTED) 16.756 ms 16.795 ms 17.750 ms

    From LAS to SJ:

    traceroute to REDACTED (REDACTED), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
    1 205.185.112.170 (205.185.112.170) 0.057 ms 0.044 ms 0.038 ms
    2 10.1.1.1 (10.1.1.1) 0.747 ms 0.666 ms 0.573 ms
    3 10gigabitethernet3-2.core1.las1.he.net (64.62.249.89) 6.885 ms 7.003 ms 6.931 ms
    4 10gigabitethernet3-2.core1.lax2.he.net (184.105.222.161) 15.156 ms 15.057 ms 14.961 ms
    5 10gigabitethernet7-3.core1.sjc2.he.net (184.105.213.6) 16.639 ms 16.513 ms 16.438 ms
    6 10gigabitethernet1-4.core1.sjc1.he.net (72.52.92.117) 27.521 ms 16.799 ms 16.722 ms
    7 energy-group-networks-llc.10gigabitethernet1-3.core1.sjc1.he.net (64.71.150.22) 25.077 ms 24.850 ms 24.895 ms
    8 REDACTED (REDACTED) 16.630 ms 16.632 ms 16.531 ms

    http://www.maxshosting.com/
    Unofficial community troll. AMA!

  • This is James from EGI.

    I'm not on the EGI Network team, so I can't comment on the issues BuyVM experienced, but we do wish them the best of success in Las Vegas. Francisco and his team truly were a pleasure to work with and they are missed.

    @unused- Order forms are still being worked on. They should be online in a few days.
    @Domainbop: That NYC node will be RAID-10 one day once a technician can upgrade it.
    @mnpeep: You are on our colocation list. Please let us know if you want to be on our dedicated server list.
    @pubcrawler: Thank you for your criticism. They will be used to better our service.

    These new offerings are intentionally on the higher-end to augment, not replace our dedicated server offerings.

    Thanks for your interest.

    -james

  • It's always nice to bring provider comes to LET/LEB

  • Welcome @jame1work, glad to see you come join the fray here.

  • @Voss said: EGI have redefined the definition of 'scumbag'. From now on, we shall refer to people not as 'scumbags' but as 'EGIs'.

    lmao, that made my day.

  • mnpeepmnpeep Member
    edited February 2013

    @james1work said: You are on our colocation list. Please let us know if you want to be on our dedicated server list.

    Please do. I would like to get e-mails about new products. :)

    @Voss said: EGI have redefined the definition of 'scumbag'. From now on, we shall refer to people not as 'scumbags' but as 'EGIs'.

    I wouldn't go that far... however, I did catch one employee lying about DDoS attacks and how "I'm not the reason that they started enforcing the 48 hour null route policy"

    http://www.maxshosting.com/
    Unofficial community troll. AMA!

  • 48 hour null route? That totally blows. It's being bullied by your provider or smacked in the mouth by the DDoS mob. Extortion no matter how one looks at it.

  • and*

    http://www.maxshosting.com/
    Unofficial community troll. AMA!

  • I'm here to provide some scruples.

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  • Nick_ANick_A Top Provider

    @james1work said: This is James from EGI.

    Where are the 256MB-1024MB options?... Surely the most popular KVM plans aren't outside of that range.

    RamNode: High Performance Cloud VPS
    NYC - LA - ATL - SEA - NL - DDoS Protection
  • @Nick_A
    At this time, we are testing the waters and feel we can provide the best support and quality of service with our higher-end and higher-priced virtual servers.

    There are many other outstanding VPS providers including BuyVM, QuickPacket, Max's MC Server, Lightwave, etc. that already provide quality service in the 256MB-1024MB arena.

    -james

  • Welcome to the shark tank @jame1work.

    I recommend offering 2GB plan at $6 as a promo. Should make lots of friends on here.

  • @Francisco said: have shown that our routes were heavily modified to always favor HE instead of the full blend that we were paying for.

    This is hilariously shady, glad you left

  • Do you offer Dedicated Web Hosting ?

    Thanks and regards

  • IshaqIshaq Member, Provider
    edited April 2013

    What?

    [BudgetNode] DDoS Protected. 7 Locations (US/EU). Check out our latest offer!
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