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    Are lifetime dedicated servers (one time cost) a thing?

    Just curious - are one-time fee, lifetime dedicated servers offered by anyone? Like Cloudatcost or https://theforevercloud.com but for dedicated servers. Or even a 5+ year upfront plan. Sorry if this has been discussed before, I searched for "lifetime dedicated" and "one time dedicated" and didn't find anything.

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    • AmitzAmitz Member
      edited February 2016

      I (and many others here, at least those 10-15 with a brain) do not trust lifetime vps offers already, why should I do with dedicated servers?

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    • @Amitz Yeah, only time will tell how long those "lifetime" VPSs last. I figure it'd be harder to screw with your resources with a lifetime dedi, though the network could degrade

    • No.

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    • If you see one, run.

      How to clean up a questionable reputation: throw the kids some BF/CM offers.

    • AmitzAmitz Member
      edited February 2016

      The whole business model of one-time-lifetime-payments always seemed flawed to me from every intellectual point of view that I can imagine. An offer like this would have to come from a long-term established and very reliable company for me to even think about it. And still, I would probably not choose that path in the end. It might be just me and my limited horizon, but I am conservative when it comes to business models... I would prefer buying a server and colocate it. Or to follow the RTO model if I would not have the whole amount of money upfront.

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    • you only need pay ONCE to own a server, right?

    • FarmerOakFarmerOak Member
      edited February 2016

      @century1stop Yeah, or even with a "you pay for hardware replacement" clause. So if a drive fails, you buy from a menu of drives plus a fee to install.

    • GM2015GM2015 Member
      edited February 2016

      Yes, they exist.

      You buy one yourself and the initial cost is a one time life capital cost. Mostly.

      Further costs spent on the server are either of capital or revenue nature, either one-offs or recurring costs. Costs can be paid off once or over a time.

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    • I am even wary of yearly deals never mind lifetime ones.

      It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt

    • that can't be helped operations overheads, plus from there, you'll see why lifetime offer don't make sense

      @FarmerOak said:
      century1stop Yeah, or even with a "you pay for hardware replacement" clause. So if a drive fails, you buy from a menu of drives plus a fee to install.

    • Thanks guys.

      @GM2015 Do you know of any companies that offer that?

    • It was just an accounting way of saying you buy a server yourself and host it somewhere.

      Hosting it somewhere costs money and repairing it costs money too.

      Ebay, amazon and many companies sell computers and parts to DIY/BIY.

      FarmerOak said: Do you know of any companies that offer that?

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    • Pay an one time fee, keep the server for a life time... until deadpooled...

    • For a company that needs a quick infusion of cash this could be a way to do it if they don't have other funding possibilities. However, that in itself would make me want to stay away.

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    • ItsChrisGItsChrisG Member
      edited February 2016

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    • JonchunJonchun Member, Provider

      Sure. If you're willing to pay, I don't see why a provider wouldn't accommodate a 5 year plan.

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    • AmitzAmitz Member
      edited February 2016

      @ItsChrisG said:
      [disrespectful comment]

      While I would not word it in the same way, I am still suprised to ever agree with you.
      Or, to say it differently: OP, you are looking for colocation (after buying a server yourself) or the term RTO (Rent to Own). Besides that, you are looking a bit like Johnny Nuggets, did anyone tell that to you before? No? You're welcome!

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    • @Amitz said:
      Or, to say it differently: OP, you are looking for colocation (after buying a server yourself) or the term RTO (Rent to Own). Besides that, you are looking a bit like Johnny Nuggets, did anyone tell that to you before? No? You're welcome!

      So I take JNuggets is now a standard to strive to never fall to? :P.

    • I can do that...Gimme $100000(one time) and I will be giving you a Dedicated Server for YOUR lifetime.

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    • Most software developers/companies are moving away from onetime payment offers , that says something about such a business model .

    • Nothing last forever n we both know any provider can go deadpool

      Gapps legacy 100/200 users cheap 4 sale. PM

    • Thanks for the constructive notes to those who gave them.

    • @FarmerOak said:
      Thanks for the constructive notes to those who gave them.

      You're welcome. Your new avatar looks less Nuggets.

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    • CenTexHostingCenTexHosting Member, Provider

      I guess if you are wanting a life time deal you would just buy a server out right and then just pay a monthly colo fee. But I am don't know any host that offers a set price and gives you a lifetime access to that server for no other charges.

      I don't think that would be a good model for any host to really offer that.

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      Dallas Colocation

    • century1stopcentury1stop Member
      edited February 2016

      This is my experience with lifetime provider

      • service disappears after 1, 2 months
      • paypal kaput after that
      • site goes poof

      Average provider lifetime probably 2 months :D

    • The only one time server is purchase your own and hosted on your home.

      Let's bet which dot-name will collapse first ;)

    • First You pay them off, then they are using free energy aka stolen a cable from someone or really discovered free energy otherwise i cant explainz that.

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    • hahaha great image

      @Infinity580 said:
      First You pay them off, then they are using free energy aka stolen a cable from someone or really discovered free energy otherwise i cant explainz that.

    • Ole_JuulOle_Juul Member
      edited February 2016

      Infinity580 said: free energy otherwise

      You probably shouldn't be exposing industrial secrets like that here. Now that drawing could end up in China.

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    • $35000

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    • Its for your lifetime. Means they will hire an assassin to kill you after two months. If you value your life, run !

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    • @sdglhm said:
      Its for your lifetime. Means they will hire an assassin to kill you after two months. If you value your life, run !

      Well, that's escalated REALLY quickly...

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    • iwaswrongonceiwaswrongonce Member
      edited February 2016

      All the comments here are pretty right, but not because it's impossible. There is only one reason (well technically two) why someone would sell a lifetime VPS and that would be to raise equity at a lower rate than they otherwise would be able to, and at a rate lower than their internal rate of return on operations.

      So basically the upfront cost of the server is the present value (PV) of future payments discounted at some factor we'll call df. Let's let their internal rate of return (IRR) be r, and their potential cost of equity be re. In this situation, if irr > df and df < re, lifetime servers can be a viable business to support other more profitable product offerings. But you're just effectively raising equity with your cost of capital being the server upkeep less some amortized amount of hardware capex. The problem here is that a proper discount rate would make the upfront cost prohibitive for most people. Just a quick example, take Delimiter's $20/mo server. If we assume a df of 15%, that would make the PV ~= $1,600. I doubt anybody would pay that.

      The only other way they can make sense is from a pure rate arbitrage whereby I can sell you a server at some df and then go earn a risk free or low risk return somewhere else. In that case, I am effectively borrowing money from you at df and lending it back out at r and earning the spread between r and df (plus any other margin that might already be built into df). However you'd be much better off simply investing the upfront payment yourself and earning r and then using that to pay for a monthly server.

      TL;DR - Unless you are comfortable effectively buying equity in a company or believe that they have access to securities that have risk free yields that exceed anything you have access to, then no there is no reason to ever do a lifetime server.

      There are no free lunches folks.

    • MunMun Member without signature

      This is impossible to say the least if your expect any real service.

      Servers cost around ~1000$.

      Power bill costs 10$ per amp per month.

      Network bill costs 25$ per 100mbps in bulk (like serious bulk ) per month

      So..... You could find a service like that but the upfront cost would be around 100k$ .

      The problem with any pay once services is they no longer have an incentive to keep improving . The incentive for them is to get you to leave as soon as possible so that they can take your money .

      Sorry I'm on my phone ....

    • Someone has to pay for those fees at some point. It is an interesting business model to offer "Lifetime" plans, but at some point the server will be fully loaded and no more money will be generated from it.
      I guess overselling it up to the point people start to leave is the next step ?

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    • FarmerOakFarmerOak Member
      edited February 2016

      Really good points in this thread.

      Just for sake of discussion (I agree with everyone that it very likely isn't feasible, along with lifetime anything plans):

      Kimsufi (reasonably respected from what I've read) offers ~$5/mon plans for basic Atom based servers. $60/yr and they eat hardware failures. Would it be reasonable for them to charge $600 for "lifetime" plus $50 deposit, plus say a $50 copay for hardware replacement? After 10 years, the hardware would likely be so weak as to limit its functionality, and the user could terminate the server to get the deposit back. The company presumably invests the fee and deposit during this time, as well described earlier by @iwaswrongonce

    • MunMun Member without signature

      I mean, have you really looked at the quality of cloud at cost? It is utter rubbish.

    • @FarmerOak said:
      Just curious - are one-time fee, lifetime dedicated servers offered by anyone? Like Cloudatcost or https://theforevercloud.com but for dedicated servers. Or even a 5+ year upfront plan. Sorry if this has been discussed before, I searched for "lifetime dedicated" and "one time dedicated" and didn't find anything.

      For simple reasons, why would someone provide you service for life at the cost of his regular expenses? Even if there are such offers, you would a host care about you if you are never gonna pay him again? This will only fetch you an inferior quality service.

      At max you can go for 2,3 years of hosting. Such offers are abundant in the market and especially from those who have inhouse dedicated support teams.

      You will benefit a lot from such rather than the resellers as they have no direct control over their servers, forget about an immediate resolution in case of an issue.

    • SSG_PowerUpHosting said: why would someone provide you service for life at the cost of his regular expenses?

      As mentioned above, it is a way of raising capital. Presumably the hope is to either get out of the red, or use the money to expand. Either way, it's basically like a loan and suitable for those who don't have a more viable source of credit.

    • I think this is not possible, because there is DC cost, power cost etc.
      But you can buy some cheap price server. Here is one of example: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1548963
      E3-1240v3 Dedicated server only $50/Month.
      Grab this type of any offer.

    • MadMad Member, Provider

      Good luck finding it and be sure to get scammed, otherwise it makes no sense.

    • Something smells here though. This is the second "user" to link that crap recently and they're barely users. Lol.

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