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HP Proliant SE 1102 16GB @dacentec.com

ReviewLinuxReviewLinux Member
edited January 2013 in General

Hello,

This topic may have been talk about before but I need a bit of advice. This server @dacentec.com is currently 65/month and with adding 4 X 1TB drives RAID 1 + 0 plus HW Raid IP addresses and Dedi IPM it is coming in at 137.00/month

Heres what I want to do. Run a few lower end OpenVZ containers for a few clients of mine plus maybe 10+ with 1 GB RAM Will Will CentOS 6.3 64 Bit and OpenVZ with SolusVM ( Just because I like the interface ) survive well on this setup? It would be a bit of a learning curve but using CentOS 6.3/OpenVZ/SolusVM demo at home doesnt give me a real taste of capabilities plus when browsing around here and wht everyone talks about E3 and E5 which are not in my current business plan.

I only gave this company as an example as I have looked around and really do not see anything that can come close.

You advice is appreciated. Your comments are welcome. Thanks in advance,

Mike

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Comments

  • IshaqIshaq Member, Provider

    Hi,

    What processor does it come with?

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  • @Ishaq said: What processor does it come with?

    Would be the Dual L5420 I would think.

  • 2 X Quad L5420

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  • IshaqIshaq Member, Provider
    edited January 2013

    @ReviewLinux said: 2 X Quad L5420

    Should be able to handle what you need.

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  • @Ishaq This being an older machine would hopefully have a couple of years in it?

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  • Dual Xeon L5420 are workhorses. It should be fine (and should last you a while)

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  • IshaqIshaq Member, Provider

    @ReviewLinux said: @Ishaq This being an older machine would hopefully have a couple of years in it?

    I doubt the machine would affect anything, as long as the processor is good. And they should repair hardware problems.

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  • @HalfEatenPie Its too bad they do not stock smaller less expensive sata like 500 GB as I do not need the hdd space.

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  • AlexBarakovAlexBarakov Member, Provider

    I still have one node on dual l5420's, does not make any difference on performance comapred to ivy bridge e3.. atleast none of my clients complained and the Load is at the bear minimum.

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  • IshaqIshaq Member, Provider

    @ReviewLinux

    Have you tried contacting them for a custom quote?

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  • @Alex_LiquidHost Are you nodes Hardware RAID controlled with a similiar config as I described?

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  • They work with you @ReviewLinux. Contact them. I'm quite happy with my Dual L5420 node with them.

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  • AlexBarakovAlexBarakov Member, Provider

    @ReviewLinux said: @Alex_LiquidHost Are you nodes Hardware RAID controlled with a similiar config as I described?

    4x1TB in hw raid10
    dual l5420
    16 or 24 gigs of RAM
    It was some HP chasis, which I forgot.

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  • @Ishaq I actually did email them about their less expensive offering the 2X Dual Core XEON 5140 which is only 4 core total but after last night googlin around I decided that I best look at a min of 8 cores and larger hdd. Yes I should email them... Maybe they have them lying around but I guess at the end of the day I am only saving at most 20 bucks... But only having a set customer base I am really just trying to break even... lol

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  • HalfEatenPieHalfEatenPie Member
    edited January 2013

    @Alex_Liquidhost: Mine's 2x 1TB in HW Raid 1
    Dual L5420
    24GB in a Dell Chasis

    Edit: @ReviewLinux: Most if not All providers should be willing to work with you.

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  • JacobJacob Member
    edited January 2013

    @ReviewLinux L5420s are solid, and last a while. I have four HP SE 1102 Servers and they're good, I prefer HP over Dell.

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  • @Alex_Liquidhost: Mine's 2x 1TB in HW Raid 1
    Dual L5420 24GB in a Dell Chasis

    So you can do an OpenVZ Host in RAID 1 with ok performance?

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  • The biggest throttle there is the Disk I/O. But this is just a personal server (with OpenVZ)

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  • Waitwaitwait, am I being a complete retard here, not being able to find this on their website (Which I can't even find)

    Could somebody do me a favour and send me a link? :D

  • Can I switch it up a bit. The L5140 units come with 4 X 80 GB on hardware RAID As I mentioned space is not needed as basically I am doing custom install of Debian with Wordpress on Nginx/Varnish and CT will be no greater than 5 GB If I added more RAM to that system, would the L5140 do well and is it a workhorse.

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  • @Brightbull said: Waitwaitwait, am I being a complete retard here, not being able to find this on their website (Which I can't even find)

    http://billing.dacentec.com

    If they run out of stock they get rid of it.

    The L5140 should be fine if its just a install of Debian with Wordpress.

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  • @HalfEatenPie 15 CT of Debian and Wordpress? 15 X 512 MB= 7680 MB with only 8 GB on server?

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  • It depends on how much traffic it'll receive.

    FreeVPS.us is hosted on a cheap VPS (if I remember it correctly a 256mb VPS?) and gets a ton of traffic.

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  • @HalfEatenPie Low traffic sites which I will allocate only 1 CPU per CT. So do you think the L5140 with only 4 cores and 4 X 80 GB RAID 10 giving me 160 GB's or so would suit my needs. Thanks in advance,

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  • Yes. Buying a dedicated for this is probably an overkill, but yes it'd be fine.

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  • @HalfEatenPie I thought about Xen as virtualization method but decided that OpenVZ with only using Host Kernel and myself only wanting Linux guests would be the more efficient way to go. I understand OpenVZ has possibilities of allocating more RAM and More Space to CT which it may or may not have. But my clients will never come close to max and nor will system resources.

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  • For hosting i recommend ovz too, low overhead and i find it only unstable on many threads (the 8 cores will definitely do good there), the lower space the hdds the faster the raid, the only thing i suggest to change is the number of cores. Put at least 2, preferably 4 since you have so few containers, if one site gets more traffic at a time, some elasticity wont hurt, it will be artificially limited with only one, besides, tomcat and java if you will ever need it works better with 2 cores.

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  • @Maounique So the 2 X 5140 cpy with only 4 cores total, allocating 4 cores to each container would do best you say... Thats good advice. Do alot of people run the SolusVM on the host machine? ( Master ) I was just wondering being that running it together with OpenVZ on host does open up a few more services. I can do it all by command line and just have ssh on Host Node.

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  • @ReviewLinux said: with only 4 cores total

    Actually it is about logical cores. Hyperthreading doubles the number of physical cores so the system will see 8 logical ones and those will be allocated, unless you disable HT somehow (not recommended).

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  • @Maounique I do not think the l5140 Xeon have Hyperthreading?

    http://ark.intel.com/products/27217/Intel-Xeon-Processor-5140-4M-Cache-2_33-GHz-1333-MHz-FSB

    So I guess max is 4 cores.....

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  • MonsteRMonsteR Member
    edited January 2013

    When using old hardware it could go wrong, Also why not buy out right from someone ?
    I know i sell and I could get Duel L5420 16GB 4x1TB drives for way less then they offer, As you might be better off wither buying new hardware or buying out right from WHT or somewhere are it will be cheaper for you in the long run.

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  • @ReviewLinux said: So I guess max is 4 cores.....

    Right, I am so used with Intel=HT that i am not even looking... Sorry.
    Still, at least 2 cores should go to ovz as it offers better compatibility with some apps especially java, not to mention to absorb some spikes on some sites.

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  • Dammit! Now they get the SSE102s....

    Really want that IPMI, but have been in this server for 6 months and can't quit now..

  • I often hear people claim to be able to meet the Dacentec offer.

    But, I have yet to see anyone offer something officially that is at or near the offer, especially on the "bare" $65 offer.

    Checked some of the companies mentioned and see lesser boxes being offered at far more.

  • I could do:
    2 x Quad L5420
    16GB RAM
    2 x 500GB
    15TB Bandwidth
    5 IP's
    $75/month in Baltimore.

    Not sure if that's enough space for you though. Feel free to PM me.

  • @NickO Will PM

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  • qpsqps Member, Provider
    edited January 2013

    We have some HP ProLiant DL160 G5 (Dual L5420, 16 GB RAM, 1 TB HD) with iLO/IPMI in Atlanta. If you're interested, let me know. We'll match Dacentec.

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  • @pubcrawler said: Checked some of the companies mentioned and see lesser boxes being offered at far more.

    Find the trend is: it's easier to charge a higher amount and offer a lot more than to offer less and also charge less. Adding value is not a problem. Reducing price is.

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  • I fully understand @concerto49.

    The posts about Dacentec and Datashack are reoccurring. That is where people find the prices great and want diversity elsewhere with similar hardware and similar pricing.

    I find Dacentec and Datashack to be above board companies as these specials tend to linger and they often replenish supply or bring a slightly different but similar machine into the next offer.

    That is in stark contrast to folks with websites that never show specials on their own website and sell someone not in the know the same offer for 2x-4x the price.

    I've always looked at this common web practice as price fixing and discriminatory in some ways. It is dishonest.

    I like what Prometeus does on their website in the cart / shop area by showing the various offers they have outstanding along with the full rate packages. The make a very good attempt to differentiate the offers and thereby justify the price difference.

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