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How do hosting facilities and their networks work? Host companies please respond

How do hosting facilities and their networks work? Host companies please respond

hrmnothnxhrmnothnx Member
edited June 2012 in General

ok just to set up here i have a VPS from almost EVERY USA (and a couple uk) company that advertises on this site. i have 25 VPS servers. i have noticed something i dont understand, and i hope someone who works for a company can answer this for me. the situation i have noticed is some of your networks are blocked by other popular websites. i imagine this is due to abuse from a previous customer that was without your knowledge. But it stops my vps form being able to interact with the website. here is where it gets complicated and i cant connect all the dots. lets say hosting company X and Y both host in Chicago company X maybe blocked buy Y isnt so i imagine its different hosting facilities. i will post up some cities and the beginning of the IP range because certain ranges are always blocked so im thinking entire facilities are blocked because the IP range the common gate is associated with for the building is blocked? so if i could figure out if the facility is blocked then i can ask before i sign up and therefore stop wasting time setting a vps up only to find out its blocked then bug you for a refund or to switch me to a different city

so here are some cities from various hosts and the beginning of the ip ranges that are always blocked regaurless of host company scranton 173 blocked miami 184 blocked dallas 108 blocked chicago 184 blocked chicago 64 blocked los Angeles 64 blocked kansas 63 blocked houston 174 blocked

and just because i know people will accuse me of being up to no good i will explain what i do. i use my VPS to set up private proxy's for individuals to use at work or home or wherever they like. and then they complain that hey i order this service from me but they cant go to this site or that site.

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  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Provider
    edited June 2012

    Blocked from what exactly?

    EDIT: You may want to look at rewriting your post with proper capitalization, punctuation, and paragraphs. It's rather hard to read it now.

  • any interaction with a website from the vps hosted at the above cities/ip ranges

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Provider

    I'm still not sure what you are talking about...

    From what server to what server are you trying to communicate, where it fails?

  • DamianDamian Member
    edited June 2012

    @joepie91 said: I'm still not sure what you are talking about...

    Because i'm always willing to help and answer questions, I've read this about 5 times now.

    Every time it gets worse. My brain is scared :(

  • DamianDamian Member

    Are you talking about DROP? http://www.spamhaus.org/drop/

  • flame on all you want boys but someone has to keep the lights on around here by using LEB promo codes and direct sign up links, 40+ vps activations in the last 6 months :) so thanks for re-reading my madness a few times i think Damian is onto something i looked at the list on that site you linked spamhaus.org and alot of the ips on that site line up with vps ive had issues with, can you explain to me what exactly that site it because that site to me is what my post is to you.

  • WilliamWilliam Member, Provider

    in the DROP are ranges of known high value cybercriminals and stolen IP ranges, most ISPs use it and block any communication with these ranges.

  • ok so when you get a vps that was abused and is in that range your just SOL forever? if your the new owner and use it for legitimate purposes can you submit to have it removed from the list. IPv4 is so limited and reusable it don't see how u can blacklist IP ranges for good. its hurting these VPS companies id love to do business with but their stuff is blacklisted

  • netomxnetomx Member, Moderator

    @hrmnothnx said: vps

    Is one of that services Netflix?

  • hrmnothnxhrmnothnx Member
    edited June 2012

    no ive never had anyone try and use netflix, its mainly their personal email sites. facebook, some e-commerce sites, forums things like that. my clients are old business guys they dont go to far off the beaten path

    and just to note ive never had one GET blocked while it was mine im specifically talking about when i sign up for a vps get it setup and then test it some of them are blocked from the get go

  • netomxnetomx Member, Moderator

    I have never seen any webpage blocked with VPNs, just Netflix :(

  • DamianDamian Member

    Does anyone know what's going on here?!?!?!

  • just to update... ive ran every IP that ive found to be blocked by any webpages with the spamhaus.org data base and none of them are on the list so its something else. liek i originally posted id liek someone who works at or with a co-location facility to explain how the network is setup and how hosting is delt out within the facility between providers. because my theory is its the co-location facility or some common piece of hardware in them that is blocked..

  • netomxnetomx Member, Moderator

    @Damian said: Does anyone know what's going on here?!?!?!

    In my example, Netflix blocked some IP ranges on Limestone Network. I can say this because I have a VPN there and they blocked Netflix. Now I received a new IP and it is working. I think it is someghing like this... but I dont know anything else :/

  • DamianDamian Member

    But most providers don't have 16 million IP addresses assigned to them?

  • im going to spell it out for damian real simple

    i buy vps VPS has a black listed IP address i buy vps from different company in same city the ip address is not blacklisted i buy vps from original company in different city and its not blacklisted

    im sick of wasting time setting up VPS that is blacklisted before i touch it

    i want to understand how/why these are blacklisted so i dont waste time/money and so i can do MORE business with companies that can assist me in this.

  • netomxnetomx Member, Moderator

    Can you give an example of what service or webpage told you it is blacklisted?

  • rds100rds100 Member

    Also listing some of the supposedly blacklisted IPs (which you no longer use) could help.

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  • @hrmnothnx said: VPS has a black listed IP address

    Blacklisted where? What specific sites/services are blocking that IP?

    @hrmnothnx said: i buy vps from different company in same city the ip address is not blacklisted

    Irrelevant. Blacklists are done by single IP, range, or allocation. Not by city (though sometimes by country)

    @hrmnothnx said: i buy vps from original company in different city and its not blacklisted

    See above.

    @hrmnothnx said: im sick of wasting time setting up VPS that is blacklisted before i touch it

    Perhaps if you could give some specific details, mainly to the VPS providers that you claim have this problem, they could resolve it for you. But if this is the kind of information you give them, I can understand why nothing was fixed. It's rather difficult to resolve a problem when you don't know about it.

  • DamianDamian Member

    That was much easier to understand than the huge block of text in the initial post without the concept of paragraphs or punctuation

    What was it blacklisted by?

  • !?!??!?!?!?!??!

    I don't know what I just read

  • liek i already stated facebook, email sites like hotmail. yahoo. some other site women like called pintrest. some shopping sites. the exact site is irrelevant i understand WHY they WERE once blocked someone spammed from that IP obviously but its only certain co location facilities that seem to have the problematic ranges

  • DamianDamian Member

    Indeed, some providers don't respond to abuse requests. So the sites take action.

  • netomxnetomx Member, Moderator

    @hrmnothnx said: the exact site is irrelevant

    it IS relevant. Not all pages work the same... By example, Hulu blocks by country... I can't watch Hulu on Mexico... but I can enter to Google... get it?

  • i dont want to name company names and give IP addresses on a public forum thats bad business. this thread was intended from someone of the companies to get in contact with ME not a bunch of forum flamers to speculate and flame me.

  • @hrmnothnx said: scranton 173 blocked miami 184 blocked dallas 108 blocked chicago 184 blocked chicago 64 blocked los Angeles 64 blocked kansas 63 blocked houston 174 blocked

    So those are all blocked by Facebook? Damn, wonder why it works just fine for me from some of those...

    I highly doubt it's "always blocked" in those ranges. If you really want answers, I'd recommend giving any possible detail you can - especially full IP. There are any number of theories here. None have to do with the host or their datacenter. It's very unlikely your end (host, equipment, or datacenter) is blocking much of anything on it's way out, especially specific known-good websites.

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  • I'm starting to think that the providers this guy has dealt with have gotten the same vague, generic 'information' that we're seeing here. And I'll be perfectly honest... if someone complains about 'being blocked' from a site, but won't at least give some specifics (error messages received, VPN/Proxy setup, etc), I don't find myself very motivated to spend the rest of my afternoon on a wild goose hunt.

  • netomxnetomx Member, Moderator

    @hrmnothnx said: this thread was intended from someone of the companies to get in contact with ME not a bunch of forum flamers to speculate and flame me.

    LOL. Goodbye my chances to help you

  • @hrmnothnx said: this thread was intended from someone of the companies to get in contact with ME not a bunch of forum flamers to speculate and flame me.

    How would someone from one of the companies get in contact with you when they don't know it has anything to do with them?!

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  • @hrmnothnx said: this thread was intended from someone of the companies to get in contact with ME

    No, that's not how support works. If you have a problem, you go to the company that you're renting the VPS from. Don't expect their support teams to come hunt you down based on some half-assed forum complaint.

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  • rds100rds100 Member

    Are you from China? Are your customers from China? What technology do you use to make these VPNs? Is there encryption and if yes - what encryption?

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  • DamianDamian Member
    edited June 2012

    We're not flaming your question, we're flaming your questinsien beign blozk of texisn thaths hard to reieed vause theyl re all discombibouatled and theres no peeridods or cummas or caplitals or things like that cause thats too hard but you wnat to know infmornations form us but dnot wnaant to take the tiem to formlua ate your quuesitons in a firomat that peol;pe can reed cause fuck that.

    Anyway, have you tried contacting the hosting companies you're having issues with? I'm sure they'll be willing to help. I enjoy trading customer's money for service and support.

  • rds100rds100 Member

    @hrmnothnx from which country are you (and your customers)? This is important. If you are from China, this might explain the problems.

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  • alot of VPS support tickets are outsourced so tickets never seem to be understood, much liek how you guys feel about me lol... BUT i see actual people from the companies posting on here from time to time. so i figured it would be a nice place to get in contact with someone who could help me. i was wrong tho, all i got was people assuming im trying to watch netflix from nigeria and not understanding me issue.

    aldryic, not EVERY ip in the listed ranges are blocked on facebook. i have some that are similar down to the C block that still work on the site (aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd) i could list full IP addresses and company info but i dont want to make them look bad because they cant possibly test every ip on every site before selling me a VPS. but if we could figure out if its a problem with a specific data center then i could avoid it... and as for doubting me how about i ustream setting up a FRESH vps in a KNOWN blocked city and host and then test it all live to prove they are blocked before i get them...

  • all customers are USA based and all websites are USA based that are having issues i have some UK vps but do not use them for my business

  • @hrmnothnx said: BUT i see actual people from the companies posting on here from time to time. so i figured it would be a nice place to get in contact with someone who could help me.

    I represent one of the providers you wanted help from. And to be perfectly honest... there's only so many times I'll ask for details before I decide it's not worth my time trying to beg enough information to help you.

    You're on your own.

  • hrmnothnxhrmnothnx Member
    edited June 2012

    pm me a phone number clearly im not good at forums

    this was aimed at aldryic as he is actually Involved with a hosting company and MAY contain knowledge that helps me, unlike most of you

  • @hrmnothnx said: so tickets never seem to be understood

    I can't imagine why :O

  • DamianDamian Member

    A phone number? For what? Who?!

  • @Damian said: we're flaming your questinsien beign blozk of texisn thaths hard to reieed vause theyl re all discombibouatled and theres no peeridods or cummas or caplitals or things like that cause thats too hard but you wnat to know infmornations form us but dnot wnaant to take the tiem to formlua ate your quuesitons in a firomat that peol;pe can reed cause fuck that.

    Actually I read that just fine. His block was harder though.

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  • gsrdgrdghd awsome contribution!!! i mean hey lets be rude to someone who does WAY more good for lowend box than you do yourself, WHAT A GREAT COMMUNITY! you understand when LEB posts promo codes the sites PAY LEB when people use that to sign up? yeah im not great on forums but instead of being an asshole maybe you should help me since people like me make this place stay open! dont worry im not trying to join your cool kid forum club i was just trying to network with some professionals who use this site

  • @hrmnothnx said: because they cant possibly test every ip on every site before selling me a VPS.

    You said it yourself, it won't make them look bad, because there's nothing they could really do to avoid it. If you want help from anyone, we need more info. If you want help from the provider, they need more info. Don't assume the provider knows you're talking about them, because they don't.

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  • DimeCadmiumDimeCadmium Member
    edited June 2012

    @hrmnothnx said: you understand when LEB posts promo codes the sites PAY LEB when people use that to sign up?

    Wait they do? Shit, I need to steal LEB from Chief!

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  • @hrmnothnx said: gsrdgrdghd awsome contribution

    Thanks :) I've tried my best :)

  • netomxnetomx Member, Moderator

    @hrmnothnx said: gsrdgrdghd awsome contribution!!!

    are you @drmike ?

  • DamianDamian Member

    @DimeCadmium said: Actually I read that just fine.

    Ha! I had a hard time with it; I think I backspaced and retyped more things than I would have typing normally.

  • @hrmnothnx said: you understand when LEB posts promo codes the sites PAY LEB when people use that to sign up?

    Yeah, that's the biggest crock of shit I've heard all day.

  • DamianDamian Member

    @hrmnothnx said: you understand when LEB posts promo codes the sites PAY LEB when people use that to sign up

    Hmm... I wonder why LEB hasn't taken us to court for unpaid invoices, then....

  • aldryic that may not be exactly how it works but clearly there is some exchange of currency for advertising, correct? and custom promo codes show exactly where they came from telling companies where it was worth their while to invest, correct?

  • @hrmnothnx said: aldryic that may not be exactly how it works but clearly there is some exchange of currency for advertising, correct?

    Advertising? Yes. Offers? No.

    @hrmnothnx said: and custom promo codes show exactly where they came from telling companies where it was worth their while to invest, correct?

    Usually, no, it's just a convenient thing to make a coupon code. Occasionally the host might use it to analyze where they're pulling clients from - but a lot of times they'll even use the same code for, say, LEB and WHT.

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