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edited March 9 in Offers

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Comments

  • No IPv6 hall of shame

    • GitHub
    • Google Cloud
    • Oracle Cloud
    • Outlook
    • MXroute
    • SparkPost
    • ColonCrossing - VirMach, RackNerd
    • XetHost
    • SoftShellWeb (San Jose only)
    • HostSolutions (unless you pay €69 sister setup fee)
    • IOFlood
    • KhanWebHost
    • Spearware Networks
    • Wishosting
    • Reprise Hosting
    • Limitless Hosting
    • HostWebis
    • Nexus Bytes (shared hosting only)

    Include IPv6, by default, to get delisted.

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    The end is nigh for Ubuntu 16.04. Providers still offering Ubuntu 16.04 past EOL will be ashamed.

  • youandriyouandri Member

    @yoursunny said:
    No IPv6 hall of shame

    • GitHub
    • Google Cloud
    • Oracle Cloud
    • Outlook
    • MXroute
    • SparkPost
    • ColonCrossing - VirMach, RackNerd
    • XetHost
    • SoftShellWeb (San Jose only)
    • HostSolutions (unless you pay €69 sister setup fee)
    • IOFlood
    • KhanWebHost
    • Spearware Networks
    • Wishosting
    • Reprise Hosting
    • Limitless Hosting
    • HostWebis
    • Nexus Bytes (shared hosting only)

    Include IPv6, by default, to get delisted.

    Just wondering, this list order by what? 😄

  • RouteIXRouteIX Member
    edited March 9

    @yoursunny said: No IPv6 hall of shame

    it's quite sad... they have an allocation and all :(

    https://bgpview.io/prefix/2607:d680::/32

  • BrianHarrisonBrianHarrison Member, Provider

    @yoursunny said:
    No IPv6 hall of shame

    @youandri said:
    Just wondering, this list order by what? 😄

    @RouteIX said:
    it's quite sad... they have an allocation and all :(

    You guys are giving me a good chuckle! The level of snarkiness is pretty entertaining :)

    There is one simple reason for why we're not currently offering IPv6: our customers aren't demanding it. We are a business and we serve what our customers demand. It's really as simple as that.

    Don't believe it? Well, just take a look at IPv6 traffic flows on the SIX:

    https://www.seattleix.net/statistics/agg_ipv6.multiyear.png

    IPv6 traffic as a percentage of total traffic has been in decline since 2018. It's the same situation with traffic flows on other major IXPs (take a look at the AMS-IX stats).

    As @RouteIX noted, we've made preparations to support IPv6, part of our network already supports it and we have plans in place to roll it out fully across our network -- rapidly if needed. We just need the demand to be there.

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  • These statistics are insanely inaccurate, as it's hard to know the traffic of a website without statistics, and almost no one looks and saves if someone connects via ipv4 or ipv6. Personally, I have an ipv6 connection by default, and if not only then I'm connected via ipv4.

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  • BrianHarrisonBrianHarrison Member, Provider
    edited March 9

    Haha, there's nothing inaccurate about those statistics :) They're published right on the SIX website.

    as it's hard to know the traffic of a website without statistics, and almost no one looks and saves if someone connects via ipv4 or ipv6.

    My apologies, but I don't think you quite understand how IXPs work and the role they play moving packets around the Internet. The stats of large IXPs allow us to take a large sample size of Internet traffic and, among other things, learn what percentage of traffic flows over IPv4 and what percentage flows over IPv6. You don't need server logs to make those calculations -- in fact, it would be far more difficult to make those calculations on a large-scale with server logs.

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  • @youandri said:
    Just wondering, this list order by what? 😄

    Date of admittance.


    @BrianHarrison said:
    There is one simple reason for why we're not currently offering IPv6: our customers aren't demanding it.

    Your potential customers are not choosing you because you don't offer IPv6. For example, MaxKVM has IPv6 in all their locations. If they decide to open a new location in Seattle, you are automatically disqualified.


    @skorupion said:

    These statistics are insanely inaccurate, as it's hard to know the traffic of a website without statistics, and almost no one looks and saves if someone connects via ipv4 or ipv6. Personally, I have an ipv6 connection by default, and if not only then I'm connected via ipv4.

    True. Nowadays most cellular phones have IPv6 by default. They could connect to IPv4 but it's slower and consumes more power.

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  • @BrianHarrison said: They're published right on the SIX website.

    What's your point that they are published on the SIX website...
    Do you understand that to get accurate ipv6 statistics would be to combine the biggest websites with ipv6 statistics, and then get a real look... Sites like google etc...

    Wiki:

    Google only provides AAAA records for fully qualified hostnames, e.g. www.google.com.
    www.google.com has an IPv6 address. google.com does not. The same applies to Gmail.

    But still, those stats wouldn't be accurate either...

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  • LTnigerLTniger Member

    Website without https (even redirects out of https to http). Avoid at all costs.

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  • thedpthedp Member

    @BrianHarrison said: We just need the demand

    You'll know and will probably get it when you send out a survey to all your customers asking if you should start adopting IPv6 :D

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  • BrianHarrisonBrianHarrison Member, Provider
    edited March 9

    @skorupion said:

    @BrianHarrison said: They're published right on the SIX website.

    What's your point that they are published on the SIX website...
    Do you understand that to get accurate ipv6 statistics would be to combine the biggest websites with ipv6 statistics, and then get a real look... Sites like google etc...

    Wiki:

    Google only provides AAAA records for fully qualified hostnames, e.g. www.google.com.
    www.google.com has an IPv6 address. google.com does not. The same applies to Gmail.

    But still, those stats wouldn't be accurate either...

    My point is simple: IXPs offer us a representative sample of IPv4 and IPv6 traffic statistics across the web. IPv6 traffic as a share of total traffic has been in decline since 2018. This supports my primary assertion that we are simply not seeing massive IPv6 demand from our customers.

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  • BrianHarrisonBrianHarrison Member, Provider
    edited March 9

    @LTniger said:
    Website without https (even redirects out of https to http). Avoid at all costs.

    Our website and billing system both run HTTPS. I'm not seeing any redirects out of HTTPS. However, if you've found a redirect then you are more than welcome to kindly bring it to our attention and we'll have it corrected.

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  • @thedp said: You'll know and will probably get it when you send out a survey to all your customers asking if you should start adopting IPv6

    Just do this and see how much demand will be instantly generated.

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  • BrianHarrisonBrianHarrison Member, Provider
    edited March 9

    @yoursunny said:
    Your potential customers are not choosing you because you don't offer IPv6. For example, MaxKVM has IPv6 in all their locations. If they decide to open a new location in Seattle, you are automatically disqualified.

    In the end, it's a simple cost benefit analysis -- the basis of any sound business decision. If it costs X number of dollars to roll out IPv6, then we ought to see an appropriate expected return. For our company, the math just doesn't work out right now.

    That isn't to say that it won't change. It definitely will change. I hope it does so in the near future -- we're ready for it.

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  • This "our customers don't need it so why should we offer it" mentality is exactly why IPv6 will not reach full adoption.

    I've seen providers offer IPv6 on a ticket basis and that's okay, not having any option is the real letdown.

    The deals are great, but this "stuck in the present" line of thinking is whack.

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  • BrianHarrisonBrianHarrison Member, Provider
    edited March 9

    @jmgcaguicla said:
    This "our customers don't need it so why should we offer it" mentality is exactly why IPv6 will not reach full adoption.

    I think we're all beating a dead horse at this point. However, I do want to address the sentiment that you've expressed: that smaller budget providers like ourselves are to blame for slow IPv6 adoption.

    I respect your opinion, but I couldn't disagree more. We would love it if IPv6 supplanted IPv4. Why? Because it would be much easier for smaller providers like ourselves to compete against larger hosts in an environment of IPv4 exhaustion. We're not "stuck in the present". We've made concrete IPv6 preparations and, as I mentioned above, part of our network already supports it. We're ready to pull the trigger on a network-wide roll-out as soon as it makes business sense. The demand has to come first.

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  • DataGizmosDataGizmos Member
    edited March 9

    @skorupion all of his dedi's are over $10/mo. So they are out of your price range anyway. So I doubt he can make you a customer

  • @BrianHarrison said:
    We've made concrete IPv6 preparations and, as I mentioned above, part of our network already supports it. We're ready to pull the trigger on a network-wide roll-out as soon as it makes business sense. The demand has to come first.

    If you have it already prepared, then what's the difference of pulling the trigger now vs when the demand comes?

    I do admit that I do not fully understand the required logistics behind changes like these for a hosting company other than "just get it done" but it doesn't help when you're saying you're ready for it over and over but don't do it because of lack of demand.

  • @jmgcaguicla I've always been able to get IPv4 on reasonably priced servers. It's never been lacking (sure its occasionally not available or impedes growth of cheap mismanaged let providers), but out in the internet wild- its available without issue. Hence, why the quest for IPv6 like its the holy grail?

  • @DataGizmos said:
    @jmgcaguicla I've always been able to get IPv4 on reasonably priced servers. It's never been lacking (sure its occasionally not available or impedes growth of cheap mismanaged let providers), but out in the internet wild- its available without issue. Hence, why the quest for IPv6 like its the holy grail?

    Because NAT is cringe

  • and NAT is a self inflicted choice. Can always get more IPv4 currently

  • thedpthedp Member

    Let's not mess the man's offer thread. It's his business, his infra, and how he wants it to be, it's his decision.

    @BrianHarrison - But I believe my suggestion is something for you to consider - then you might know if there's a demand or not.

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  • @DataGizmos said: @skorupion all of his dedi's are over $10/mo. So they are out of your price range anyway. So I doubt he can make you a customer

    Ayy now people will always take me as a cheap person finally!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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  • @DataGizmos said:
    and NAT is a self inflicted choice. Can always get more IPv4 currently

    "just" get more

    Must be nice living in dreamland where everybody and their mother isn't idling an IPv4 prefix

  • BrianHarrisonBrianHarrison Member, Provider

    @DataGizmos said:
    and NAT is a self inflicted choice. Can always get more IPv4 currently

    That's actually a valid reason why IPv6 adoption has been so slow: users aren't demanding it because existing IPv4 supplies have been satisfying their needs. One day that will change, but for now the critical mass of demand is lacking.

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  • jtkjtk Member

    @BrianHarrison said:
    There is one simple reason for why we're not currently offering IPv6: our customers aren't demanding it. We are a business and we serve what our customers demand. It's really as simple as that.

    I have asked multiple times. I'm happy to send you a ticket number for your reference, but maybe I am the only one? I get that you are not motivated to provide it and I don't absolutely need it, but know there is at one customer that thinks it would be nice if you had it. :-)

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  • BrianHarrisonBrianHarrison Member, Provider

    @jtk said:
    I have asked multiple times. I'm happy to send you a ticket number for your reference, but maybe I am the only one? I get that you are not motivated to provide it and I don't absolutely need it, but know there is at one customer that thinks it would be nice if you had it. :-)

    First of all, thank you for your business -- we truly appreciate it!

    Yeah, you are one of the few. Of the hundreds of inquiries we've replied to thus far in 2021, only four people have inquired about IPv6. And of those four, it was only a hard requirement for two of them -- for the other two it was just a 'nice to have' and they signed up anyway. We have regular conversations with our largest resellers and they're all on a similar page.

    But don't lose hope! We will roll-out IPv6 network-wide -- part of our network already supports it. Keep in mind that I can't guarantee this date, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happens by July-August when we're scheduled to evaluate and potentially retire a good portion of our internal switching gear.

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  • jtkjtk Member

    @BrianHarrison said:
    IPv6 traffic as a percentage of total traffic has been in decline since 2018. It's the same situation with traffic flows on other major IXPs (take a look at the AMS-IX stats).

    This may be the case from one viewpoint, but there is plenty of evidence to show the opposite, e.g. Google. It may depend on where you look. In addition, eyeball and content networks with native IPv6 will often see a lot of IPv6 traffic, and that may not cross the IX. This is not just because IPv6 is available, but also because of the Happy Eyeballs address selection algorithm is at work. In a nutshell, given an A and AAAA answer, a working and responsive AAAA destination will tend to get the traffic.

    This is not to convince you to deploy IPv6, just some additional food for thought. I am a happy customer by the way. I have found that provide a good service for a good price, lack of IPv6 not withstanding.

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  • Daniel15Daniel15 Member
    edited March 9

    @jtk said: This may be the case from one viewpoint, but there is plenty of evidence to show the opposite, e.g. Google.

    Facebook have similar data: https://www.facebook.com/ipv6/. In some countries, Facebook has more traffic over IPv6 than IPv4 (for example, in the USA, 60% of Facebook's traffic is over IPv6).

    AFAIK this is primarily driven by mobile carriers. For example, T-mobile's network is nearly entirely IPv6 - Something like 94% of their traffic is IPv6-only, the only exception being things like extremely old devices that don't support IPv6, and edge cases like roaming (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6oBCYHzrTA around 7:24). They use 464XLAT to reach legacy IPv4-only servers. If you have an IPv4-only site, T-mobile customers experience extra overhead and latency due to 464XLAT and NAT.

    Many other mobile carriers are doing the same - CGNAT is extremely rare in the USA, with carriers instead preferring to use IPv6. Overall 87% of devices on US mobile carriers, and 72% of Comcast customers, have IPv6 connectivity (https://www.worldipv6launch.org/measurements/ ).

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  • BrianHarrisonBrianHarrison Member, Provider
    edited March 9

    @Daniel15 said:

    @jtk said: This may be the case from one viewpoint, but there is plenty of evidence to show the opposite, e.g. Google.

    Facebook have similar data: https://www.facebook.com/ipv6/. In some countries, Facebook has more traffic over IPv6 than IPv4 (for example, in the USA, 60% of Facebook's traffic is over IPv6)... AFAIK this is primarily driven by mobile carriers. For example, T-mobile's network is nearly entirely IPv6

    However, you should note that Google, Facebook and T-Mobile are all participants on the SIX, AMS-IX and other IXPs. Their IPv6 traffic flows are all represented in the SIX traffic stats that I shared earlier. Furthermore, they are three of the largest participants on the SIX -- all three of them have their own dual 100G uplinks to the SIX and advertise their routes publicly over the route servers. So despite the fact that IPv6 usage is so high on Facebook and that T-Mobile traffic is nearly all IPv6 -- IPv6 traffic as a percentage of total traffic has still been in decline since 2018. It's currently sitting at ~4.39% -- the highest it has ever been was ~12% back in 2018.

    To be clear, I'm not against IPv6 and it's adoption :) I'm merely pointing out data that shows IPv6 demand is weaker than you might think.

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  • Daniel15Daniel15 Member
    edited March 9

    @BrianHarrison said: Their IPv6 traffic flows are all represented in the SIX traffic stats that I shared earlier.

    I could be wrong but I imagine a lot of cross-server / cross-DC traffic flows through SIX and similar Internet exchanges, which would have different patterns to traffic from regular end users. Perhaps SIX's IPv6 connectivity is not very good, or some people are only peering with SIX for IPv4?

    Akamai are huge and their stats (https://www.akamai.com/us/en/resources/our-thinking/state-of-the-internet-report/state-of-the-internet-ipv6-adoption-visualization.jsp) are roughly the same as Google's, around 44% IPv6 usage in the US. Cisco's data (https://6lab.cisco.com/stats/) shows similar numbers too. So, I think the SIX data is far lower than other sources.

  • BrianHarrisonBrianHarrison Member, Provider
    edited March 9

    @Daniel15 said:
    Akamai are huge and their stats (https://www.akamai.com/us/en/resources/our-thinking/state-of-the-internet-report/state-of-the-internet-ipv6-adoption-visualization.jsp) are roughly the same as Google's, around 44% IPv6 usage in the US. Cisco's data (https://6lab.cisco.com/stats/) shows similar numbers too. So, I think the SIX data is far lower than other sources.

    The pages you've linked actually show IPv6 adoption -- not IPv6 usage. There's a big difference between the two.

    I could be wrong but I imagine a lot of cross-server / cross-DC traffic flows through SIX and similar Internet exchanges, which would have different patterns to traffic from regular end users.

    That's a good thought, but unfortunately that's not the case either. There are plenty of consumer-serving telecoms on the SIX: T-Mobile, Charter, Telus, Bell, LocalTel, BendTel, China Mobile, Frontier, Shaw Broadband, Sky Fiber, SK Broadband, Telekomunikasi Indonesia and plenty others I missed. Lots of content providers on the SIX too (such as Facebook, Twitch, etc) whose traffic (the vast majority of it) goes directly to end-users.

    It's even more so the case in Europe with the AMS-IX and other major IXPs. In Europe, traffic exchange and peering is more centralized than it is in the USA and the big IXPs handle huge traffic volumes. Those IXPs, like the AMS-IX have similar low IPv6 percentages. To be clear though, you don't necessarily have to be a participant on an IXP for your traffic to end up flowing over an IXP.

    Lastly, if you look at the traffic graphs themselves, you see the clear rhythm of human activity in the peaks and troughs. The lowest traffic levels occur at 4AM when everyone is asleep, early morning peak just after 9AM when everyone is getting to work and the overall peak in the evening at 8PM-9PM when everyone is watching some TV or browsing the web before getting ready for bed. Clear signs of user-driven activity. The peaks and troughs are more significant on the AMS-IX than the SIX (indicating more user-driven traffic on the AMS-IX), but they exist on both.

    No matter how you cut it, the data shows that IPv6 usage is significantly weaker than one might think.

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  • aiden1aiden1 Member

    @BrianHarrison said: Lots of content providers on the SIX too (such as Facebook, Twitch, etc) whose traffic (the vast majority of it) goes directly to end-users.

    Do you know whether this chart includes completely private interconnects between major players, instead of like a 40G to the IX?

    TMobile traffic is ~95% IPv6 to Facebook, Comcast is 80-90% IPv6 to Facebook. IPv4 is minority.

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  • Some telcos do support ipv6 and embrace it even. By default you would be using ipv6 which is the reason why you see these US telcos with a lot of ipv6 traffic.

    Then you have telcos/ISPs without ipv6 support at all. And some who do support ipv6 but by default ipv6 does not work and you either have to change AP settings or call them up to enable ipv6. You still have people around the world who don't have ipv6 and ipv6 has not proven to be faster than ipv4 in real-world usage. Some services outright do not support ipv6 or it's just not a good idea to use ipv6. For example, some games don't support ipv6. Would you risk sending emails on ipv6? ipv6 still has a long way to go

  • kasslekassle Member

    so google have data that show ipv6 adoption and usage are high ?

    did someone mention google also member of SIX ?

    but google cloud is listed in hall of shame ?

  • BrianHarrisonBrianHarrison Member, Provider
    edited March 10

    @aiden1 said:

    @BrianHarrison said: Lots of content providers on the SIX too (such as Facebook, Twitch, etc) whose traffic (the vast majority of it) goes directly to end-users.

    Do you know whether this chart includes completely private interconnects between major players, instead of like a 40G to the IX?

    Well you said it yourself, those interconnects are private and, generally speaking, there is no public information available on them.

    You may be missing my point though. I'm not arguing that IXPs comprise 100% of all traffic flows to and from Facebook, T-Mobile, Google, etc. There is certainly tons of IPv6 traffic (and IPv4) that occurs off of IXPs.

    My point is that, due to the sheer size of traffic flows on the IXPs (peak traffic on AMS-IX is 10Tbps) and the significant representation of the aforementioned ASNs on those IXPs, we can therefore reasonably assume that IXP traffic statistics offer a reasonably accurate representative sample of relative IPv4 and IPv6 traffic flows more broadly across the Internet. In other words, there is no better publicly available data with which to form conclusions about the relative share of IPv4 traffic vs IPv6 traffic across the broader Internet.

    It seems some folks are having a really hard time accepting that IPv6 usage is a tiny percentage of total traffic flows and that the percentage, at least by some measures, has actually been in decline over the past few years (decreasing in relative terms, increasing in absolute terms).

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  • DataGizmosDataGizmos Member
    edited March 10

    Remove the top 10,20,100 sites and their IPv6 traffic flows- and what do you have left? Probably not a lot. These top sites certainly have different arrangements with ISPs, Interconnects etc to move traffic in efficient patterns so it never even hits the full internet. Example - netflix puts servers within ISP networks etc. So t mobile can travel IPv6 and hit a box within its network and never need IPv4 or use IPv6 through an interconnect thats public. So your numbers are going to be skewed- showing sky high IPv6 internally to t mobile and the large sites with unique arrangements. But- that has no bearing on the 100 million tiny sites in the world. When you remove the large data heavy, often visited sited (FAANG companies etc) they make up a large percentage of netowrk traffic- so not much left and whats left, often doesnt use ipv6

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  • @BrianHarrison said:

    That's a good thought, but unfortunately that's not the case either. There are plenty of consumer-serving telecoms on the SIX: T-Mobile, Charter, Telus, Bell, LocalTel, BendTel, China Mobile, Frontier, Shaw Broadband,

    I imagine Telus and Shaw are bringing down the average. They've got no incentive when they have IPV4 up the wazoo. I'm curious what Windows firewall does when they click home connection when prompted with a routeable IPv6.

    Lastly, if you look at the traffic graphs themselves, you see the clear rhythm of human activity in the peaks and troughs. The lowest traffic levels occur at 4AM when everyone is asleep, early morning peak just after 9AM when everyone is getting to work and the overall peak in the evening at 8PM-9PM when everyone is watching some TV or browsing the web before getting ready for bed. Clear signs of user-driven activity.

    Uh, who is "everyone" given the different timezones? There's 5+ 8-9PM's in North America with an unequal balance of people. Do you mean like a 1000 mile radius?

  • BrianHarrisonBrianHarrison Member, Provider
    edited March 10

    @TimboJones said:
    I imagine Telus and Shaw are bringing down the average.

    You're probably right, but there are also others who are bringing up the average, like T-Mobile and Facebook :) It all averages out when you have a very large sample size (i.e., traffic stats from major IXPs).

    Uh, who is "everyone" given the different timezones? There's 5+ 8-9PM's in North America with an unequal balance of people. Do you mean like a 1000 mile radius?

    If a user is located closer to an IXP, then, generally speaking, the likelihood is higher that their traffic will flow through that IXP. So for the SIX, the "average" user would be on PST/PDT. For the AMS-IX, the "average" user would be on CET. In both cases, you'll find that the traffic graphs match the approximate 4AM, 9AM, 8PM-9PM pattern that I outlined earlier.

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  • BrianHarrisonBrianHarrison Member, Provider

    @DataGizmos said:
    But- that has no bearing on the 100 million tiny sites in the world.

    Yep, you're absolutely right. And more to that point, those 100 million tiny websites are more likely to be our customers. Our target market isn't exactly cell phone users accessing Facebook or Netflix (over IPv6).

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  • WilliamWilliam Member, Provider
    edited April 18

    @BrianHarrison said: That's a good thought, but unfortunately that's not the case either. There are plenty of consumer-serving telecoms on the SIX: T-Mobile

    DTAG does not peer. They are only on exchanges for PNIs. AT&T also does not peer. Comcast enforces ratios. Verizon is a Tier1 and does not peer at all.

    Your SIX data is thus absolutely useless - Eyeball networks use DE-CIX/AMS-IX and PNIs, not exchanges.

    A path from Akamai to Tmobile/DTAG or AT&T will never cross an exchange, and it will be v6 end to end.

    @BrianHarrison said: If a user is located closer to an IXP, then, generally speaking, the likelihood is higher that their traffic will flow through that IXP. So for the SIX, the "average" user would be on PST/PDT.

    Entirely wrong. I have an exchange like 10km away from my house, yet my ISP will route me to Zagreb and back. I lived in Vienna, and UPC will route through Hungary happily to reach a DC in Vienna.

    Ultra large carriers like Tmobile US are not using local exchanges at all, its way too much small sites to maintain - They backhaul to Network POPs in CA/NV/TX/NY (secondary WA, NM) primarily.

    This is also needed as the routing complexity of adding an exchange for 5% of users in CA while routing your entire other network around it is just pointless and requires 50% more hardware (and let me tell you a MX960 is nowhere near cheap.).

    @BrianHarrison said: For the AMS-IX, the "average" user would be on CET

    Bro, AMS-IX is way more than an EU exchange. Same as DE-CIX a LOT (at times 50%+) is ASIAN and AFRICAN. The timezone is fairly irrelevant.

    By now many, if not a majority of, DE-CIX members are not even incorporated or based in EU.

  • BrianHarrisonBrianHarrison Member, Provider
    edited April 18

    @William

    I respect your opinions and knowledge, but I generally disagree with your response.

    DTAG does not peer. They are only on exchanges for PNIs.

    T-Mobile does peer on the SIX. They even advertise prefixes on the public route servers. I'm not familiar with their peering policies on other exchanges.

    Your SIX data is thus absolutely useless.

    I disagree. I have explained in my previous posts that plenty of eyeball traffic flows over the SIX. But, for the sake of argument, even if I accept your point and we agree that the SIX data is useless, then we can go ahead and use AMS-IX data. AMS-IX statistics show the same low ratio of IPv6 traffic that the SIX data does.

    A path from Akamai to Tmobile/DTAG or AT&T will never cross an exchange, and it will be v6 end to end.

    As I've explained in my previous posts, we could sit here all day and point out one anecdotal example after another of IPv4 and IPv6 traffic that bypasses exchanges. However none of that would change the fact that the large and diverse traffic volumes on the exchanges allow them to serve as fairly accurate representative samples of IPv4 and IPv6 traffic ratios.

    Entirely wrong. I have an exchange like 10km away from my house, yet my ISP will route me to Zagreb and back. I lived in Vienna, and UPC will route through Hungary happily to reach a DC in Vienna.

    I did not say "if you live near a a major IXP, then your traffic is guaranteed to flow through it." I did say that your traffic is more likely to flow through it than if you were located very far away -- which is true.

    Bro, AMS-IX is way more than an EU exchange. Same as DE-CIX a LOT (at times 50%+) is ASIAN and AFRICAN. The timezone is fairly irrelevant.

    I'm talking about averages. Of course AMS-IX handles traffic from other timezones, regions, etc but the average timezone of end-users whose traffic flows through the exchange does roughly equal CET. This is clearly shown in the AMS-IX traffic graphs where the peaks and troughs align with a typical end-user activity in the CET timezone.

    By now many, if not a majority of, DE-CIX members are not even incorporated or based in EU.

    I'm not talking about the timezone of corporate headquarters, I'm talking about the average timezone of end-users whose traffic flows through the exchange.

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