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Free speech VPS/KVN hosting for both right-wing and left-wing dissident content?
Hi, I host a number of websites. Most are generic centrist or non-ideological, but a few are radical-left and radical-right sites.
None of our sites host illegal content or incitements to crime/violence.
We've had issues with our current provider taking all our sites offline for a while, without enough notice for us, for non-illegal misogyny on one of the left-leaning sites. And we had to delete content that wasn't illegal. So we are moving.
So... feel in a bit of a pickle. Most of the free speech places advertized here seem hostile to the left-wing stuff. Like Francisco saying, "communists aren't people", here, although he's a good guy who runs a good business and we are thinking of using his service. And then Njalla seems hostile to the right-wing stuff, with their "we don't like fascists" attitude, outright banning people they don't like with little notice.
Anyway, is there a politically neutral political-free-speech VPS/KVN host (preferably in the USA) that isn't super expensive and also provides DDOS protection. Thx! 
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Allow me to introduce you to @Francisco / buyshared.
Yea we did purchase one of BuyVMs servers as a backup recently. But got hit with "fraud" during sign-up. So hopefully a photocopy of a birth certificate is enough to "unfraud" us cuz I'm a weirdo without a driver license at the moment.
Livin' off the grid man.
Anyway, should be fine. Let me know if billing blocks you but assuming everything matches you'll be fine.
Let em know in PM what you're after VPS wise (besides the backup) and i'll check our inventory.
Francisco
ah, ok thanks, that works
We might also just use the KVM we purchased from you as a VPS replacement and our current as the backup.
Correct, communism isn't OK. That's a personal opinion though, I don't mix those in with business.
Our stance is a simple "law of the land" approach. If it's legal in the country it's hosted in, we're good. I don't agree with everything that's hosted with me (I have batshit things from both sides), and that's OK. That's the point of freedom of speech.
Francisco
Good to read a clarification from you on that point.
It's documented as such in our TOS
There's literally a section about "law of the land" in there.
Francisco
Although he needs DDoS protection which he would have to use Cloudflare Transit for and they've deplatformed controversial sites.
True. We've had a fine time for now. It being on my own ASN helps.
Francisco
You can definitely trust that Fran will protect opinions that don't match his own. The word "integrity" doesn't seem to apply to a lot of people these days, but I'd say it fits there.
I try to take a page from his book. I protect mailing lists for socialists and communists, and I strongly disagree with them on a personal level. Everyone deserves a voice, may the best ideas win.
We would be happy to help and offer ddos protection. Check out our AUP. I think you would find us very open.
Thanks,
Oplink.net
Consider the recent censorship of all big companies amoung the US, I don't think US is capable to claim to be free-speech anymore.
There are pockets of safe places but yeah, if it gets much worse there could be a full on free market removal of free speech on the internet.
I know but I could have had the same interpretation as @apples2.
Free helicopter rides for all!
Francisco
My current provider claimed Cloudflare forwarded them the anonymous abuse complaint along with our IP address. I didn't know Cloudflare did that. When I asked my provider why they were taking us down despite, nothing illlegal, they said "ask Cloudflare". But the email Cloudflare send to the provider said that they don't deal with content issues.
I sent a message to Cloudflare asking why they are forwarding clearly bogus anynous abuse complaints to my provider, (assuming it was them and not someone pretending to be them) and didn't get a response.
Is it normal for Cloudflare to forward anonymous abuse-report emails to server companies?
CF forwards all complaints but they don't give the DST IP unless they get a court order from what I've seen.
At most they're just told who the host is.
Francisco
Someone here mentioned "Cloudflare transit", is that what most VPS people here provide, and you as well? Thanks
Well Cloudflare gave the server IP to my provider that the provider already knew as confirmation, and there was no mention of a court order. So I dunno. The pages in question had absolutely nothing illegal on them.
So how it works is like this:
Now that the user has the name of the host they can go reach out and say 'this domain is being mean to me!', the host can then check their abuse email and likely find it.
But, Cloudflare doesn't divulge backend IP addresses without a court order from what I've seen.
Francisco
"Cloudflare forwards the complaint to the provider with the aforementioned domain & IP address that's being proxied"
that's what happened yea
is that what you mean by "backend IP", the proxied IP address?
because they didn't divulge the proxied IP to the person reporting afaik, only to the provider
yea it was just Cloudflare itself that forwarded the abuse report along with the proxied IP, and not the user, allegedly. That wouldn't be associated with a court order I don't think. Especially as these were pages that just had generic misogyny and no calls for violence/rape etc
CF forwards all complaints automatically. I've had more than a few where the person rolled their head over their keyboard in the complaint field.
Francisco
I think if you really want to be able to stand on your own without worrying about the upstream you'll have to look inwards for DDoS protection though. Anything controversial is going to need protection and using Cloudflare for it is a ticking time bomb.
who uses CF upstream?
Buyvm if you need DDoS protection, cogent if you don't.
https://www.cloudflare.com/magic-transit/
what's the reason for using CF upstream if cloudflare is already available for free + already hides IP addresses?
im a dummy excuse my questions
We use cloudflare magic transit which provides us ddos mitigation. It allows people to host any application they want instead of just web services.
Francisco
oh, I bought it in case I got bumped off cloudflare. Well I guess using your magic transit routed IPs wouldn't cause any additional overhead as compared to non-magic-transit IPs? I'm going to be using it with regular Cloudflare.
that was my last question, sorry for all the questions