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A member live in China near Wuhan wanna talk about SARS-COV-2

It's 2:13 am, can't sleep, laying on bed, at home about 200km from Wuhan City, Hubei province, China.Not good at English, so I will try my best to describe more exactly.

I work in Wuhan City, go back home 1 day before the public transport suspend.Have passed 14-days self-quarantine period.

We have more than 1 thousand confirmed cases here in my hometown until today, but half of them has been cured.(With whole another province's medical human resource support)

So I wanna to talk about some about the virus, mostly based on what I have known.

DON'T PANIC

First Part:The Virus

The virus still can't confirm the original, but followed by research, the virus still don't have much mutate(less than 0.1%), so we human are delling the same virus now.

The new corona virus is easily infected, we have some sample here in China, one guy in supermarket have close range contact(less than 1 meter) with an infected person(confirmed after that) about 15s, then confirmed infect in next 2 days.Patients covered all age range from new born baby to old man.

The infected will show symptom about 1-7 days after first contact, most should less than 14 days.But in this period, the infected can also spread virus not like 2003 SARS.

Second Part:Vector and Spread

Yes, the virus mostly spread by attached on human body liquid(micro size victor) when infected patient cough.Also can spread by direct contact virus(like use hand with virus on it contact your eyes).

But the infect to human basically depends on the amount of virus, like with open air enviriment, the micro liquid spread to air by cough will be not thick enough to include enough virus to infect normal healthy person.

Third Part:Protect and Control

First at first: DON'T PANIC

Follow your local goverment advice and CDC advice, protect yourself, it's not a big deal.(If your gov and CDC are not trying to hide something like Japan goverment, they request only if you have fever longer than 4 days and have trouble with breathing you can get thr virus-infect-or-not test you believe that???)

The virus is NOT THE BIGEST problem, the PANIC IS.

WEAR MASKS!

N95(US)/FFP2(EU)/KF94(KOR) can block most of the nano particle like virus or the micro liquid particle it attached on.If you wanna go high risk area like hospital which have confirmed patients, or crowd facility like railway staton/air port.

If can't get the high level masks above, use surgery masks also can protect you from short range contact, cause these masks can't block virus itself but can block the nano particle which have virus on it.

WASH HANDS AND CLEAN SURFACE

Wash hands!Even if only use water!

After contact public used objects like door handle or elevator buttons!

If possible use chlorinated disinfectant or 75% alcohol clean suspicious object surface before touch.

STAY AWAY FROM CROWD

I understand some of you can't understand why our goverment place strict order to let citizen stay at home, cause we live in diffirent society and we have the crowded street and lots of population in every single city.The isolation means the best protection.

Just stay away from crowd if un-nessesary.You never know who has been infected before they get the RT-PCR test result.

Italy goverment are doing well, reduce human contact will help reduce confirmed cases.

SOMETHING ELSE

After writing, it's 3:25 am now.

Hope everyone OK.

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Comments

  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited February 27

    We're all gonna die.

    ITS THE END OF THE WORLD

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  • pikepike Member
    edited February 27

    Robert-Koch-Institute says wearing face masks is useful only to those already infected and helpers/medics, and only in situations where they're exposed to the public/other humans or patients in case of medics. Also regular face masks are not suitable for long-term usage aka. wearing them longer than 20 minutes.

    So, to avoid shortages on masks for people that actually need them, it's advised to not buy them.

    Washing hands the right way is the most important thing to do.

    Also it's advised to get vaccinated against all diseases that affect the lungs.

  • jackbjackb Member, Provider
    edited February 27

    Also worth noting that N95 masks are only good for ~8h usage (cumulative not per usage) and are hard to get ahold of in the west for under £10 now.

    I'm going without. I'd rather spend £50 on some antiviral whisky than 5 masks.

    Stay safe @imfan.

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  • @jackb said:
    Also worth noting that N95 masks are only good for ~8h usage (cumulative not per usage) and are hard to get ahold of in the west for under £10 now.

    I'm going without. I'd rather spend £50 on some antiviral whisky than 5 masks.

    Stay safe @imfan.

    “antiviral whisky”

  • jackbjackb Member, Provider
    edited February 27

    @doghouch said:

    @jackb said:
    Also worth noting that N95 masks are only good for ~8h usage (cumulative not per usage) and are hard to get ahold of in the west for under £10 now.

    I'm going without. I'd rather spend £50 on some antiviral whisky than 5 masks.

    Stay safe @imfan.

    “antiviral whisky”

    Highly recommend the glenallachie 12yr px. Great for killing coronavirus. It's my current favourite.

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  • @jackb said:

    @doghouch said:

    @jackb said:
    Also worth noting that N95 masks are only good for ~8h usage (cumulative not per usage) and are hard to get ahold of in the west for under £10 now.

    I'm going without. I'd rather spend £50 on some antiviral whisky than 5 masks.

    Stay safe @imfan.

    “antiviral whisky”

    Highly recommend the glenallachie 12yr px. Great for killing coronavirus.

    ...and my liver

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  • The thing is, that what the chinese said, it kills only the old people was bullshit.
    It can even get your ass if your are young and healthy.

    Its rather unlikely but yea.

  • HostSlickHostSlick Member, Provider
    edited February 27

    @Neoon said:
    The thing is, that what the chinese said, it kills only the old people was bullshit.
    It can even get your ass if your are young and healthy.

    Its rather unlikely but yea.

    If you get it, it's like Russian roulette.
    Die or survive.

  • jackbjackb Member, Provider

    @HostSlick said:

    @Neoon said:
    The thing is, that what the chinese said, it kills only the old people was bullshit.
    It can even get your ass if your are young and healthy.

    Its rather unlikely but yea.

    If you get it, it's like Russian roulette.
    Die or survive.

    Russian roulette has a higher death rate (16%) than coronavirus (0.5-8% depending on source)

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  • MadRabbitMadRabbit Member
    edited February 27

    I'm not trying to downplay the virus or anything but this panic mongering is getting out of hand. Live blog this and live blog that...ugh.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5610878/2018-2019-flu-season/?amp=true

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  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

    @MadRabbit said:
    I'm not trying to downplay the virus or anything but this panic mongering is getting out of hand. Live blog this and live blog that...ugh.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5610878/2018-2019-flu-season/?amp=true

    Coronavirus is new and it's getting the attention of people. That creates fear.

    I agree that things are massively overblown.

    Jon Biloh
  • jarjar Provider
    edited February 27

    Also remember that appropriate preparation is not panic. It's stupid not to prepare for it.

    jackb said: Russian roulette has a higher death rate

    But less people will play it. If 1% of everyone you know dies it's not exactly equivalent. So prepare. Because the rate of infection combined with the fatality rate is the one key (and using one without the other is not doing it justice), and the panic making it difficult to get supplies and medical care is another key. You don't even want the seasonal flu without medicine or food, so make sure to get both because the panic will make those just a little harder.

    It doesn't have to be the zombie apocalypse to be bad, and there is a middle ground between flying to China to party and boarding up your windows. Don't panic, but don't be caught with your pants down either.

  • People are always talking "Don't compare it to the flu!" Why the hell not? It's a virus like this. Just cause you get an flu shot...quite frankly, it doesn't mean jack. It could be as well be for another strain of the virus that you got vaccinated for and still catch the next one. And no, I'm not some anti vax nutjob.

    So far, 16,000 people have died and 280,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season - per CDC. That's US alone!

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

    @MadRabbit said:
    People are always talking "Don't compare it to the flu!" Why the hell not? It's a virus like this. Just cause you get an flu shot...quite frankly, it doesn't mean jack. It could be as well be for another strain of the virus that you got vaccinated for and still catch the next one. And no, I'm not some anti vax nutjob.

    So far, 16,000 people have died and 280,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season - per CDC. That's US alone!

    And the year before:

    "CDC’s 2017-2018 estimates of 48.8 million illnesses, 959,000 hospitalizations and 79,400 deaths."

    That's in the USA alone.

    Jon Biloh
  • jarjar Provider

    We're expecting a much higher rate of infection and a significantly higher percentage of deaths than the seasonal flu. From the best that we know thus far, both of those are logical assumptions.

  • You're expecting that on what exactly?

  • jarjar Provider

    @MadRabbit said:
    You're expecting that on what exactly?

    Earth

  • @jar said:

    @MadRabbit said:
    You're expecting that on what exactly?

    Earth

    Not sure if that's a stab on my English or..

  • jarjar Provider

    @MadRabbit said:

    @jar said:

    @MadRabbit said:
    You're expecting that on what exactly?

    Earth

    Not sure if that's a stab on my English or..

    I don't know how else to answer "on what" in relation, sorry.

  • MadRabbitMadRabbit Member
    edited February 27

    @jar said:

    @MadRabbit said:

    @jar said:

    @MadRabbit said:
    You're expecting that on what exactly?

    Earth

    Not sure if that's a stab on my English or..

    I don't know how else to answer "on what" in relation, sorry.

    What I meant was that on what do you base your assumption/expectation on? Especially the death rate.

  • jarjar Provider
    edited February 27

    MadRabbit said: What I meant was that on what do you base your assumption on?

    It has a higher R0 and death rate based on estimates. Seasonal flu has an R0 of 2-3, 2019-nCoV has been estimated to have an R0 of 1.5-3.5, some sources reporting 1.4-4.08. Conservative death rates are around 2-3% (not yet sure why Iran is reporting upwards of 15%, could be an anomaly in how they're reporting). Estimates expect anywhere from 40-70% of the population to contract the virus.

    Sure they're small numbers individually, but they support my statement. You're welcome to consider them fake, it's the best data I've been able to get my hands on to date. I haven't seen any conflicting data supporting a different statement besides things like "lol it's nothing bc I said so." Certainly I won't be in trouble for having some extra food and tylenol on hand.

  • @MadRabbit said:

    @jar said:

    @MadRabbit said:

    @jar said:

    @MadRabbit said:
    You're expecting that on what exactly?

    Earth

    Not sure if that's a stab on my English or..

    I don't know how else to answer "on what" in relation, sorry.

    What I meant was that on what do you base your assumption/expectation on? Especially the death rate.

    Based on it spreading worse than the flu. If you get symptoms early, like with flu, you know to limit contact and you get better sooner. With this, it takes longer to experience symptoms, so you infect more people before showing symptoms.

    And fuck, a 4 day fever? I'm a pussy, a fever for 4 hours would make me a whiny bitch.

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  • jarjar Provider
    edited February 27

    I don't panic about viruses, have never, am not today. But I am challenging this idea that this is comparable to the seasonal flu and that it isn't that bad. It's just bad enough to prepare a few things for. I don't want to see all you people stuck at home posting Tylenol delivery offers on LET for $7 ;)

  • @imfan said:
    It's 2:13 am, can't sleep, laying on bed, at home about 200km from Wuhan City, Hubei province, China.Not good at English, so I will try my best to describe more exactly.

    I work in Wuhan City, go back home 1 day before the public transport suspend.Have passed 14-days self-quarantine period.

    We have more than 1 thousand confirmed cases here in my hometown until today, but half of them has been cured.(With whole another province's medical human resource support)

    So I wanna to talk about some about the virus, mostly based on what I have known.

    DON'T PANIC

    First Part:The Virus

    The virus still can't confirm the original, but followed by research, the virus still don't have much mutate(less than 0.1%), so we human are delling the same virus now.

    The new corona virus is easily infected, we have some sample here in China, one guy in supermarket have close range contact(less than 1 meter) with an infected person(confirmed after that) about 15s, then confirmed infect in next 2 days.Patients covered all age range from new born baby to old man.

    The infected will show symptom about 1-7 days after first contact, most should less than 14 days.But in this period, the infected can also spread virus not like 2003 SARS.

    Second Part:Vector and Spread

    Yes, the virus mostly spread by attached on human body liquid(micro size victor) when infected patient cough.Also can spread by direct contact virus(like use hand with virus on it contact your eyes).

    But the infect to human basically depends on the amount of virus, like with open air enviriment, the micro liquid spread to air by cough will be not thick enough to include enough virus to infect normal healthy person.

    Third Part:Protect and Control

    First at first: DON'T PANIC

    Follow your local goverment advice and CDC advice, protect yourself, it's not a big deal.(If your gov and CDC are not trying to hide something like Japan goverment, they request only if you have fever longer than 4 days and have trouble with breathing you can get thr virus-infect-or-not test you believe that???)

    The virus is NOT THE BIGEST problem, the PANIC IS.

    WEAR MASKS!

    N95(US)/FFP2(EU)/KF94(KOR) can block most of the nano particle like virus or the micro liquid particle it attached on.If you wanna go high risk area like hospital which have confirmed patients, or crowd facility like railway staton/air port.

    If can't get the high level masks above, use surgery masks also can protect you from short range contact, cause these masks can't block virus itself but can block the nano particle which have virus on it.

    WASH HANDS AND CLEAN SURFACE

    Wash hands!Even if only use water!

    After contact public used objects like door handle or elevator buttons!

    If possible use chlorinated disinfectant or 75% alcohol clean suspicious object surface before touch.

    STAY AWAY FROM CROWD

    I understand some of you can't understand why our goverment place strict order to let citizen stay at home, cause we live in diffirent society and we have the crowded street and lots of population in every single city.The isolation means the best protection.

    Just stay away from crowd if un-nessesary.You never know who has been infected before they get the RT-PCR test result.

    Italy goverment are doing well, reduce human contact will help reduce confirmed cases.

    SOMETHING ELSE

    After writing, it's 3:25 am now.

    Hope everyone OK.

    How do people get tested? Do they need to go to a clinic for blood tests, or some one delivers a kit you administer at home? What is the result response time?

    Thanks

  • @jar said:

    MadRabbit said: What I meant was that on what do you base your assumption on?

    It has a higher R0 and death rate based on estimates. Seasonal flu has an R0 of 2-3, 2019-nCoV has been estimated to have an R0 of 1.5-3.5, some sources reporting 1.4-4.08. Conservative death rates are around 2-3% (not yet sure why Iran is reporting upwards of 15%, could be an anomaly in how they're reporting). Estimates expect anywhere from 40-70% of the population to contract the virus.

    Sure they're small numbers individually, but they support my statement. You're welcome to consider them fake, it's the best data I've been able to get my hands on to date. I haven't seen any conflicting data supporting a different statement besides things like "lol it's nothing bc I said so." Certainly I won't be in trouble for having some extra food and tylenol on hand.

    I wasn't implying that it's not so because I said so. I was just stating a fact that the last season flu killed more people than this has, not even close to the flu. What I think you are forgetting right now is that out of the 2800 almost all of them are from the epicenter. And China's health system ain't exactly what it is in the west. But I would love if my backwards country would be able to build a hospital in days lol.

    All in all, that's just my personal view of things.

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  • jarjar Provider

    MadRabbit said: I wasn't implying that it's not so because I said so

    Oh I know, apologies if it sounded like I meant you were.

    MadRabbit said: I was just stating a fact that the last season flu killed more people than this has, not even close to the flu

    And god do I hope it stays there. I imagine in a week we'll know more, just do me a favor and take care of yourself. I want all of you fuckers to be fat and happy for my black friday offer.

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  • @Neoon said:
    The thing is, that what the chinese said, it kills only the old people was bullshit.
    It can even get your ass if your are young and healthy.

    Its rather unlikely but yea.

    开始说是老年人容易感染,死亡率高的的也是老年人,什么时候说只是老年人会感染死亡,年轻人不会,不要断章取义,污蔑我们国家好吗?

  • @jar said:

    MadRabbit said: I wasn't implying that it's not so because I said so

    Oh I know, apologies if it sounded like I meant you were.

    MadRabbit said: I was just stating a fact that the last season flu killed more people than this has, not even close to the flu

    And god do I hope it stays there. I imagine in a week we'll know more, just do me a favor and take care of yourself. I want all of you fuckers to be fat and happy for my black friday offer.

    Will do. Same to you and everyone else on here.

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  • @hkvip8 said:

    @Neoon said:
    The thing is, that what the chinese said, it kills only the old people was bullshit.
    It can even get your ass if your are young and healthy.

    Its rather unlikely but yea.


    开始说是老年人容易感染,死亡率高的的也是老年人,什么时候说只是老年人会感染死亡,年轻人不会,不要断章取义,污蔑我们国家好吗?

    Of course we slender countries, all the time, no exceptions.
    Mainly the chinese goverment claimed, that it only hits old or/and vulnerable people, which was pure bullshit as we now know.

    I mean think of it, would you go into Wuhan as Doctor if you would know, it could kill you? No you would not.

  • sanvitsanvit Member
    edited February 28

    Hi, I'm from South Korea, and I would like to add some stuff on @imfan's post

    @imfan said:
    WEAR MASKS!

    N95(US)/FFP2(EU)/KF94(KOR) can block most of the nano particle like virus or the micro liquid particle it attached on.If you wanna go high risk area like hospital which have confirmed patients, or crowd facility like railway staton/air port.

    According to the medias, South Korea produce around 11M to 16M KF94 masks a day, and exports are mostly prohibited, but even doctors are having a hard time getting those masks. If your local store or any online shopping mall has some stock left, I highly recommend you buy one now. Most Koreans are re-using their masks (although they are only rated for one time use) since they can't get one.

    If can't get the high level masks above, use surgery masks also can protect you from short range contact, cause these masks can't block virus itself but can block the nano particle which have virus on it.

    The most important thing about mask is that they prevent you from unintentionally touching your mouth/nose. Note that your hand is probably the dirtiest part of your body, and have the highest chance of being contaminated by the virus. If you touch your mouth/nose/eyes or any other 'open' areas, the virus can go inside and infect you. So wear any kind of mask if you can't get those high level ones.

    WASH HANDS AND CLEAN SURFACE

    Wash hands!Even if only use water!

    After contact public used objects like door handle or elevator buttons!

    If possible use chlorinated disinfectant or 75% alcohol clean suspicious object surface before touch.

    If you don't have hand sanitizers available at your house, it's a good time to get one. I also have 95% ethanol handy with me (put it in a small perfume bottle) and spray it on the surface of anything I need to touch (door handles, elevator buttons, etc.). I highly recommend you do this as well (and also, buy some ethanol if you don't have some already). In Korea, you now have to wait weeks before you can even get one of those. Even if you don't use up during the corona situation, you can still use ethanol to clean surfaces

    STAY AWAY FROM CROWD

    I understand some of you can't understand why our goverment place strict order to let citizen stay at home, cause we live in diffirent society and we have the crowded street and lots of population in every single city.The isolation means the best protection.

    Just stay away from crowd if un-nessesary.You never know who has been infected before they get the RT-PCR test result.

    Italy goverment are doing well, reduce human contact will help reduce confirmed cases.

    It's highly not recommended to go near crowds. More people means higher chance of one being infected by the coronavirus. If you really need to go near crowd, WEAR MASKS!

    South Korea has one of the higest number of corona infected people and some say it's due to our country having the highest capacity of checks (iorc 5-6K checks a day). I do believe it's mostly true, and that can mean that if other countries did check at our rate, they most likely will have higher numbers of infections then they originally calculated. So be careful. Not officially infected doesn't mean that he/she is safe!

    Oh and finally, if you are ones that are infected, please don't panic. I have some friends that are officialy infected, but they mostly have minor or no symptoms, and just gradually get well. That may be the case for you too! So calm down and live healthy. Eat healthy foods (and meat!), exercise, and rest/sleep.

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  • @TimboJones said:
    How do people get tested? Do they need to go to a clinic for blood tests, or some one delivers a kit you administer at home? What is the result response time?

    Thanks

    The suspecious person who shows symptoms(body tempreture higher than 37.3 celcius, cough, difficult breath, weakness) will be delivered by negative air pressure ambulance or other emergency service like police car to appointed fever clinic take CT scan and RT-PCR test.

    At this time,RT-PCR test result is the key to adjust infected or not infected. The RT-PCR result combine the CT scan result confirmation response less than 24 hrs.

    Oh yes, it's not blood sample, but throat body liquid sample.

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  • @pike said:
    Robert-Koch-Institute says wearing face masks is useful only to those already infected and helpers/medics, and only in situations where they're exposed to the public/other humans or patients in case of medics. Also regular face masks are not suitable for long-term usage aka. wearing them longer than 20 minutes.

    So, to avoid shortages on masks for people that actually need them, it's advised to not buy them.

    Washing hands the right way is the most important thing to do.

    Also it's advised to get vaccinated against all diseases that affect the lungs.

    Yes, we do not recommend to buy (more exactly occupy )the local medical resources.

    But if can get some non-medical useage masks (like industry usage ) don't hesitate to buy some.Especially in high risk area (like me in Hubei province, Italy, Korea, Iran, maybe Japan) or you have to walk into crowd, or you have to talk with non-protect person.You never know who has been infected.

    By official advice of our goverment and CDC (China) , wear masks is the basic rule No.1, for reference.

  • @imfan said:
    But if can get some non-medical useage masks (like industry usage ) don't hesitate to buy some.

    This is dumb. SARS-COV-2 is so tiny it passes through any mask you can find, even N95. You wear masks NOT to protect yourself but to prevent spreading to others. A mask does not stop the virus from entering your body through mucus membranes in your eyes.

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  • @pike said:
    Robert-Koch-Institute says wearing face masks is useful only to those already infected and helpers/medics, and only in situations where they're exposed to the public/other humans or patients in case of medics. Also regular face masks are not suitable for long-term usage aka. wearing them longer than 20 minutes.

    So, to avoid shortages on masks for people that actually need them, it's advised to not buy them.

    Washing hands the right way is the most important thing to do.

    Also it's advised to get vaccinated against all diseases that affect the lungs.

    The thing is that you can't be 100% sure that you are infected. Plus, those high level masks are known to stop virus carried by aerosol. KCDC (Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) also recommend using KF80 or higher level masks when you need to see many people.

  • @poisson said:

    @imfan said:
    But if can get some non-medical useage masks (like industry usage ) don't hesitate to buy some.

    This is dumb. SARS-COV-2 is so tiny it passes through any mask you can find, even N95. You wear masks NOT to protect yourself but to prevent spreading to others. A mask does not stop the virus from entering your body through mucus membranes in your eyes.

    Corona Virus is known to be able to spread through aerosols, and N95/KF94 masks are able to stop aerosol particles passing through, so yes, masks can help. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, masks prevent you from unintentionally touching your mouth/nose which also helps

  • @jar said:

    MadRabbit said: What I meant was that on what do you base your assumption on?

    It has a higher R0 and death rate based on estimates. Seasonal flu has an R0 of 2-3, 2019-nCoV has been estimated to have an R0 of 1.5-3.5, some sources reporting 1.4-4.08. Conservative death rates are around 2-3% (not yet sure why Iran is reporting upwards of 15%, could be an anomaly in how they're reporting). Estimates expect anywhere from 40-70% of the population to contract the virus.

    Sure they're small numbers individually, but they support my statement. You're welcome to consider them fake, it's the best data I've been able to get my hands on to date. I haven't seen any conflicting data supporting a different statement besides things like "lol it's nothing bc I said so." Certainly I won't be in trouble for having some extra food and tylenol on hand.

    In epidemiology, R0 is used to determine whether a disease is likely to persist in the population and says nothing about the severity of the disease. R0 > 1 means the disease is likely to persist, while R0 < 1 means the disease is likely to disappear in the population.

    You should be looking at other measures such as case fatality rates to come to conclusions about disease severity and burdens. What R0 is and isn't and the complexities behind it is beyond most of us. From the Emerging Infectious Disease Journal:

    "Although R0 might appear to be a simple measure that can be used to determine infectious disease transmission dynamics and the threats that new outbreaks pose to the public health, the definition, calculation, and interpretation of R0 are anything but simple. R0 remains a valuable epidemiologic concept, but the expanded use of R0 in both the scientific literature and the popular press appears to have enabled some misunderstandings to propagate."

    Source: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/25/1/17-1901_article

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  • @jackb said:
    Also worth noting that N95 masks are only good for ~8h usage (cumulative not per usage) and are hard to get ahold of in the west for under £10 now.

    I'm going without. I'd rather spend £50 on some antiviral whisky than 5 masks.

    Stay safe @imfan.

    @poisson said:

    @imfan said:
    But if can get some non-medical useage masks (like industry usage ) don't hesitate to buy some.

    This is dumb. SARS-COV-2 is so tiny it passes through any mask you can find, even N95. You wear masks NOT to protect yourself but to prevent spreading to others. A mask does not stop the virus from entering your body through mucus membranes in your eyes.

    The virus itselt (100 nm particle) seems can pass through the masks obviously, but the masks still can reduce the passed virus number to make a chance let your body immune system to deal with less amount of virus.

    More inportant, most of the SARS-COV-2 spread by attach on micro liquid particle when patient cough, those particle are more like 300 nm(aka PM3 like PM2.5) can be easily blocked by masks.

    The key is the amount, small amount of virus the immune system can deal. With no protection, it's hard to say.

  • @sanvit said:
    Corona Virus is known to be able to spread through aerosols, and N95/KF94 masks are able to stop aerosol particles passing through, so yes, masks can help. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, masks prevent you from unintentionally touching your mouth/nose which also helps

    Yes, this is what I am referring to when I say that you wear masks to protect other people by reducing the probability of you transmitting the virus to others. However, the mask doesn't protect you because the aerosols carrying the virus can also enter through your eyes!

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  • @poisson said:

    @sanvit said:
    Corona Virus is known to be able to spread through aerosols, and N95/KF94 masks are able to stop aerosol particles passing through, so yes, masks can help. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, masks prevent you from unintentionally touching your mouth/nose which also helps

    Yes, this is what I am referring to when I say that you wear masks to protect other people by reducing the probability of you transmitting the virus to others. However, the mask doesn't protect you because the aerosols carrying the virus can also enter through your eyes!

    True, but it's better to leave only 1 point of enterence vs 3

  • @imfan said:
    The key is the amount, small amount of virus the immune system can deal. With no protection, it's hard to say.

    Fully agreed. However, in MOST places, MOST people are uninfected, so your risk is so low, you are MOST UNLIKELY to be in a situation where the viral concentrations of SARS-COV-2 in your surroundings are so high that you need a mask.

    In Hubei, I agree everyone should wear masks if they are in public. So should people in Daegu and Cheongdo. The rest of the world where risks are low, please be considerate and save the masks for people in most affected areas.

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  • @sanvit said:

    @poisson said:

    @sanvit said:
    Corona Virus is known to be able to spread through aerosols, and N95/KF94 masks are able to stop aerosol particles passing through, so yes, masks can help. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, masks prevent you from unintentionally touching your mouth/nose which also helps

    Yes, this is what I am referring to when I say that you wear masks to protect other people by reducing the probability of you transmitting the virus to others. However, the mask doesn't protect you because the aerosols carrying the virus can also enter through your eyes!

    True, but it's better to leave only 1 point of enterence vs 3

    Yes. However, if we consider the fact that masks are not unlimited and if everyone wears masks to reduce a tiny probability by one-third, soon enough, masks will run out for EVERYONE and nobody gets any level of protection.

    If masks are infinite in supply, sure, everyone please wear them all the time. The problem is that it is a finite supply. Advocating mask wearing for everyone is a bit like the prisoner's dilemma; we are all worse off unless we cooperate.

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  • @poisson said:

    @imfan said:
    The key is the amount, small amount of virus the immune system can deal. With no protection, it's hard to say.

    Fully agreed. However, in MOST places, MOST people are uninfected, so your risk is so low, you are MOST UNLIKELY to be in a situation where the viral concentrations of SARS-COV-2 in your surroundings are so high that you need a mask.

    In Hubei, I agree everyone should wear masks if they are in public. So should people in Daegu and Cheongdo. The rest of the world where risks are low, please be considerate and save the masks for people in most affected areas.

    Damn I forget you guys are not in high risk area, my fault.

    Well, stay focus on local cases status and be prepared to face the situation change, I'm still concern about if there will be an out break because of arrogant like we have passed.

    Some country are not able to deal with big out break which will heavily crush the medical treatment then cause panic, that would be the worst ever.

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  • @poisson said:

    @sanvit said:

    @poisson said:

    @sanvit said:
    Corona Virus is known to be able to spread through aerosols, and N95/KF94 masks are able to stop aerosol particles passing through, so yes, masks can help. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, masks prevent you from unintentionally touching your mouth/nose which also helps

    Yes, this is what I am referring to when I say that you wear masks to protect other people by reducing the probability of you transmitting the virus to others. However, the mask doesn't protect you because the aerosols carrying the virus can also enter through your eyes!

    True, but it's better to leave only 1 point of enterence vs 3

    Yes. However, if we consider the fact that masks are not unlimited and if everyone wears masks to reduce a tiny probability by one-third, soon enough, masks will run out for EVERYONE and nobody gets any level of protection.

    If masks are infinite in supply, sure, everyone please wear them all the time. The problem is that it is a finite supply. Advocating mask wearing for everyone is a bit like the prisoner's dilemma; we are all worse off unless we cooperate.

    True, and that's happening in South Korea (mask price up to 5-10x original price, and that's even hard to get). But there will always be someone wearing masks, and they will be more safer than those who don't. And in disastrous situations like this, one should take care of themselves. And you should note that mask is still being produced. There will always be more masks produced than the number of people who really needs them (e.g. people who work for medical institutes/elders and patients/those who are likely to be infected or already infected). But it's the government's job to take care of these people's mask supplies. You should take care of your own health.

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  • @sanvit said:

    @poisson said:

    @sanvit said:

    @poisson said:

    @sanvit said:
    Corona Virus is known to be able to spread through aerosols, and N95/KF94 masks are able to stop aerosol particles passing through, so yes, masks can help. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, masks prevent you from unintentionally touching your mouth/nose which also helps

    Yes, this is what I am referring to when I say that you wear masks to protect other people by reducing the probability of you transmitting the virus to others. However, the mask doesn't protect you because the aerosols carrying the virus can also enter through your eyes!

    True, but it's better to leave only 1 point of enterence vs 3

    Yes. However, if we consider the fact that masks are not unlimited and if everyone wears masks to reduce a tiny probability by one-third, soon enough, masks will run out for EVERYONE and nobody gets any level of protection.

    If masks are infinite in supply, sure, everyone please wear them all the time. The problem is that it is a finite supply. Advocating mask wearing for everyone is a bit like the prisoner's dilemma; we are all worse off unless we cooperate.

    True, and that's happening in South Korea (mask price up to 5-10x original price, and that's even hard to get). But there will always be someone wearing masks, and they will be more safer than those who don't. And in disastrous situations like this, one should take care of themselves. And you should note that mask is still being produced. There will always be more masks produced than the number of people who really needs them (e.g. people who work for medical institutes/elders and patients/those who are likely to be infected or already infected). But it's the government's job to take care of these people's mask supplies. You should take care of your own health.

    Make sense, be safe in KOR.

    I believe our country will provide help since we deal our trouble here, as what your country had helped us in the beginning.

    Our gov have mobilized many company accelerate the production of masks, hope this will help our neighbors.

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  • @imfan said:

    @sanvit said:

    @poisson said:

    @sanvit said:

    @poisson said:

    @sanvit said:
    Corona Virus is known to be able to spread through aerosols, and N95/KF94 masks are able to stop aerosol particles passing through, so yes, masks can help. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, masks prevent you from unintentionally touching your mouth/nose which also helps

    Yes, this is what I am referring to when I say that you wear masks to protect other people by reducing the probability of you transmitting the virus to others. However, the mask doesn't protect you because the aerosols carrying the virus can also enter through your eyes!

    True, but it's better to leave only 1 point of enterence vs 3

    Yes. However, if we consider the fact that masks are not unlimited and if everyone wears masks to reduce a tiny probability by one-third, soon enough, masks will run out for EVERYONE and nobody gets any level of protection.

    If masks are infinite in supply, sure, everyone please wear them all the time. The problem is that it is a finite supply. Advocating mask wearing for everyone is a bit like the prisoner's dilemma; we are all worse off unless we cooperate.

    True, and that's happening in South Korea (mask price up to 5-10x original price, and that's even hard to get). But there will always be someone wearing masks, and they will be more safer than those who don't. And in disastrous situations like this, one should take care of themselves. And you should note that mask is still being produced. There will always be more masks produced than the number of people who really needs them (e.g. people who work for medical institutes/elders and patients/those who are likely to be infected or already infected). But it's the government's job to take care of these people's mask supplies. You should take care of your own health.

    Make sense, be safe in KOR.

    I believe our country will provide help since we deal our trouble here, as what your country had helped us in the beginning.

    Our gov have mobilized many company accelerate the production of masks, hope this will help our neighbors.

    Thanks for the kind words. Be safe and take care of yourself!
    Hope people can find a cure soon.

  • elliotcelliotc Member
    edited February 28
    1. N95 mask needs fitting test. Normal mask would be better in most use case. You can not breath if you wearing it correctly. Leave N95 to the professional.
    2. Point 2 deleted.

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  • As I already wrote in another thread, I live in Italy in an area where 650 cases have been detected to date, here was a case of a 38-year-old patient with pneumonia and fever for 5 days who was found positive that he got infected in Italy without connections with China and so tests were made to all the people in contact with him and in cascade over 10,000 tests were also made to asymptomatic people, we have quarantined entire areas and at a wider range put bans at various gatherings, in Germany 2 days ago a forty-three was found with pneumonia and fever for days, he is positive and that it is not known where he took it but the government decided to test only those who have symptoms, no strategy to stop the spread, same thing in France, a person who died in Paris without knowing who got infected and declared that they will swab only those who have feverish and respiratory symptoms, no strategy to stop the spread as deed in China and Italy.

    The differences between flu and coronavirus are that for influenza we have antibodies because they are always the same 3 strains, we have vaccines and medicines, for coronavirus we don't have them, coronavirus goes deeper into the respiratory tract and creates serious pneumonia even in young subjects, in Italy 20% of the infected were hospitalized, I think it is understandable that if it spreads with the flu numbers in certain countries it would not be possible to have hospitals and drugs to hospitalize all those people.

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  • @poisson said:

    @imfan said:

    Please be considerate and save the masks for people in most affected areas.

    You don't understand why humans are a virus. /s
    I'm going to look at the bright side and hope the fear of an airborne pathogen, will keep my countrymen from hacking each other to pieces, over insults to their imaginary friend(s?) .

    It's a pyramid of shit over here. Sigh.

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  • The death rate is not always 1-2%.
    In province like Zhejiang, the death rate is under 0.1%, but in most cities around Wuhan, the deatch rate is around 3% now.
    We are not allowed to go to supermarket to get food, everything is ordered online and delivered by designated person.
    Some regions have adopted a system of rewarding $ 1,000 to $ 3,000 for confirmed patients.
    We don’t have to worry about water and electricity. Electricity stopped twice and it was fixed when I was calling 95588.
    The main road is unobstructed, and all small paths are blocked by colored steel plates. The speed is like playing Minecraft, and a steel wall is added to the bridge overnight.
    Hotels, hotels, schools, gymnasiums, and warehouses have been requisitioned, and temporary isolation houses have been constructed in various places to prevent the situation from deteriorating.
    Workers built temporary isolation houses get paid several times more than usual. Medical teams supported by other provinces and cities are arranged to rest in the best hotels and resorts, subsequent donations of food and material resources in their province are endless, with the best quality. There are publicity and patrol vehicles on the road 24x7. Volunteers are available at almost every intersection. It takes more than 5 inspections to go from town to town.

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