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Any good managed email hosting for own domain name?

subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member

Why this post? Because I got a reply from multiple sources to the question below.

Do you think it is worth it to host your own your email server for friends / family / oneself? It would usually cost about 130 USD / year to host one (it is the cost of KVM VPS with 2G RAM + domain name) that too without any backup servers?

Requirements

  1. Privacy-oriented
  2. Minimum or no personal data for sign up like Mxroute.com needs your phone, alternate email and what not. (We already own a legit domain name so why need or require so much of information, it should just ask for Name, Address for billing if needed). I do not want to give alternate email address at all, also don't ask for phone number or else what is wrong with Gmail?
  3. Bitcoin payment as option along with Paypal and Stripe (not a big deal these days)
  4. Reasonable support via ticketing system or similar.

What did I find so far?

PRQ.se - 1G storage | 94 SEK / month or ~10.5 USD / month | Unlimited domains + accounts |

Mailbox.org | 2G storage | 1 EUR / month for single account with custom domain | Team account cost more |

Lavabit.com | 5G storage | 30 USD / year | I think it is a single account only |

Protonmail | 5G storage | 48 EUR / year | Single account

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I need your help. Much appreciated. Thanks in advance!

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  • eoleol Member

    @cipher said:
    Why this post?

    Why not?

    ˙ɹǝuzʇǝɥ

  • @cipher said:
    1. Privacy-oriented
    2. Minimum or no personal data for sign up like Mxroute.com needs your phone, alternate email and what not. (We already own a legit domain name so why need or require so much of information, it should just ask for Name, Address for billing if needed). I do not want to give alternate email address at all, also don't ask for phone number or else what is wrong with Gmail?
    3. Bitcoin payment as option along with Paypal and Stripe (not a big deal these days)
    4. Reasonable support via ticketing system or similar.

    Nobody is going to want your business. If you can't trust them, they can't trust you.

  • subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member
    edited January 2019

    @Letzien said:
    Nobody is going to want your business. If you can't trust them, they can't trust you.

    Trust? I am signing up my properly registered domain name with them, isn't it enough trust? They will be asking me to make numerous changes in DNS. Isn't that enough?

    Also, mailbox.org, PRQ, Lavabit (no BTC payment as of now) and Protonmail already offering the same.

  • @cipher said:

    @Letzien said:
    Nobody is going to want your business. If you can't trust them, they can't trust you.

    Trust? I am signing up my properly registered domain name with them, isn't it enough trust? They will be asking me to make numerous changes in DNS. Isn't that enough?

    Holy shit you have to setup a single MX record that you directly control and can change as quickly as you have set the TTL! Someone call the press!

  • If you don't trust the provider for your personal information, why trust the provider for your own personal emails itself? You should be better off with selfhosted options.

    Thanked by 1Letzien
  • For any paid option, I believe @jar and @MikePT is your best bet.

    Thanked by 2MikePT Wolveix
  • eoleol Member

    MikeET +1.

    Thanked by 2MikePT elliotc

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  • I use tutanota. However, the plan that I’m on is limited to 5 aliases.

    They don’t ask for phone number or alternate email like others (optional). Most probably some providers do that for account recovery. Tutanota is using code recovery if you lost that code there’s no way to recover your account. They just published their Windows & Linux app last Christmas.

  • I was actually looking into providing something similar and even asked for feedback here. It was not well received, but I host it for myself and a few others.

    One has already forgotten his password and lost his encrypted emails/files and another one had his server deleted (no payment reminder, didn't notice it was down). Is that what you want?

  • subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member

    @sudoranger said:
    I use tutanota. However, the plan that I’m on is limited to 5 aliases.

    They don’t ask for phone number or alternate email like others (optional). Most probably some providers do that for account recovery. Tutanota is using code recovery if you lost that code there’s no way to recover your account. They just published their Windows & Linux app last Christmas.

    I think it is a good option along with Malibox.org.

  • subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member

    @eol said:
    MikeET +1.

    @jar does MXroute.com

    Which service is for @MikET ?

    Thanked by 1MikePT
  • subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member

    @gol3m I would consider if you share a link please.

  • eoleol Member

    @cipher said:

    @eol said:
    MikeET +1.

    @jar does MXroute.com

    Which service is for @MikET ?

    iroute.io

    Thanked by 1MikePT

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  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    Not worth it.

    I have not created a single thread. Verify it if you dare.

  • subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member

    @eol said:

    @cipher said:

    @eol said:
    MikeET +1.

    @jar does MXroute.com

    Which service is for @MikET ?

    iroute.io

    Did you read my requirements? They asking for phone number + email and what not bro. Why did you mention it?

  • subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member

    @deank said:
    Not worth it.

    What is not worth it?

  • eoleol Member

    @cipher said:

    @eol said:

    @cipher said:

    @eol said:
    MikeET +1.

    @jar does MXroute.com

    Which service is for @MikET ?

    iroute.io

    Did you read my requirements? They asking for phone number + email and what not bro. Why did you mention it?

    OMG!
    They ask for email!
    phones CNN

    ˙ɹǝuzʇǝɥ

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    CNN will put you on hold for 666 minutes.

    Well, maybe not 666 minutes, but do expect to be on hold for around 40 minutes.

    Thanked by 1eol

    I have not created a single thread. Verify it if you dare.

  • subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member

    Lol. :wink:

    Thanked by 1eol
  • Just as long as it takes to backtrace your IP.

  • @cipher said:

    @eol said:

    @cipher said:

    @eol said:
    MikeET +1.

    @jar does MXroute.com

    Which service is for @MikET ?

    iroute.io

    Did you read my requirements? They asking for phone number + email and what not bro. Why did you mention it?

    Because you asked bro. Omg.

    cipher said: Which service is for @MikET ?

  • jarjar Provider
    edited January 2019

    cipher said: isn't it enough trust?

    15 minutes with 15 IPs could cost someone hundreds of dollars and hours of pain and suffering. The only people who think that's enough trust are the ones at the bottom of the barrel so desperate for scraps that they'll do anything for $5 or major corporations like Google/Microsoft that can afford to take the hits by having oversized / heavily whitelisted infrastructure. I wish you the best of luck, that's just how it works.

    Thanked by 1Letzien
  • @jar said:
    15 minutes with 15 IPs could cost someone hundreds of dollars and hours of pain and suffering. The only people who think that's enough trust are the ones at the bottom of the barrel so desperate for scraps that they'll do anything for $5.

    As a service provider I am appalled - appalled that you might care about both your clients, and your own welfare.

    Thanked by 2jar Wolveix
  • subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member

    @jar said:

    cipher said: isn't it enough trust?

    15 minutes with 15 IPs could cost someone hundreds of dollars and hours of pain and suffering. The only people who think that's enough trust are the ones at the bottom of the barrel so desperate for scraps that they'll do anything for $5 or major corporations like Google/Microsoft that can afford to take the hits by having oversized / heavily whitelisted infrastructure. I wish you the best of luck, that's just how it works.

    That is why you ask for a paid and registered domain name and not a freenom domain like .tk, do you not think a person doing things with it, will end up paying for it?

    Also, what is it that you gain from a phone number and alternate email? Anyone can get it in dozens without a valid ID.

  • jarjar Provider
    edited January 2019

    Edit: Meh, not really worth debate. It's just for conversational sake anyway.

  • how about you ? did you give fake email & phone number too ?

  • subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member

    jar said: because they didn't get an email with their account information because super shady guy on LET didn't like it.

    The way you think is totally shady and super fishy.

    So, if I say I want to use Tor to access your mxroute.com, I must be a NSA-certified data terrorist and FBI-certified CP lover?

    US Military made Tor for being CP lovers and then shared it with others for wide-spread use of it? Correct?

    You are totally mistaken. There even exist services today that do not need any personal data and offer email hosting with custom domain. It is not a new thing.

    Thanks for your response. Much appreciated. I love everything else about your service though. Loads of luck.

  • subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member

    @kassle said:
    how about you ? did you give fake email & phone number too ?

    Good point.

  • You are going to give away your email or credit card number anyway for your payments.

  • jarjar Provider
    edited January 2019

    cipher said: The way you think is totally shady and super fishy.

    I'm sorry you feel that way, and I hope one day you run an internet service with a shared environment that requires trust to function at a reasonable quality. You'll learn what it's like to be taken advantage of and never sleep, or you'll be under someone's thumb because you got investors and hired people to do it for you. Either way, you learn. I'm not here to beg for $5, just sharing some realities. I'm out :)

  • subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member

    @jar said:

    cipher said: The way you think is totally shady and super fishy.

    I'm sorry you feel that way, and I hope one day you run an internet service with a shared environment that requires trust to function at a reasonable quality. You'll learn what it's like to be taken advantage of and never sleep, or you'll be under someone's thumb because you got investors and hired people to do it for you. Either way, you learn. I'm not here to beg for $5, just sharing some realities. I'm out :)

    Don't be sorry because I am not. :tired_face:

    So, you think Tutanota, Mailbox.org, PRQ.se, Protonmail.com, Lavabit, don't have investors and employees?

    Not saying I don't understand your side of the story.

    I appreciate your response and time. Peace out.

  • subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member

    @sanvit said:
    You are going to give away your email or credit card number anyway for your payments.

    Not really? But good point.

  • kkrajkkkrajk Member
    edited January 2019

    cipher said: There even exist services today that do not need any personal data and offer email hosting with custom domain. It is not a new thing.

    cipher said: So, you think Tutanota, Mailbox.org, PRQ.se, Protonmail.com, Lavabit, don't have investors and employees?

    So go with them. Why even try to change the way a business operates (edit - when) that business is not a monopoly especially when you have nearly half a dozen operators to your liking.

  • subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member

    @kkrajk said:

    cipher said: There even exist services today that do not need any personal data and offer email hosting with custom domain. It is not a new thing.

    cipher said: So, you think Tutanota, Mailbox.org, PRQ.se, Protonmail.com, Lavabit, don't have investors and employees?

    So go with them. Why even try to change the way a business operates (edit - when) that business is not a monopoly especially when you have nearly half a dozen operators to your liking.

    Mxroute was recommend to me by an old person. I really trust his recommendations.

  • @cipher said:

    @kkrajk said:

    cipher said: There even exist services today that do not need any personal data and offer email hosting with custom domain. It is not a new thing.

    cipher said: So, you think Tutanota, Mailbox.org, PRQ.se, Protonmail.com, Lavabit, don't have investors and employees?

    So go with them. Why even try to change the way a business operates (edit - when) that business is not a monopoly especially when you have nearly half a dozen operators to your liking.

    Mxroute was recommend to me by an old person. I really trust his recommendations.

    Then trust MXR and go with them.

    Thanked by 1Wolveix
  • I'm not sure, sis. It seems like the real issue here is about privacy stuff which is heavily politicized especially in the EU.

    Tutanota is based in Germany. Germany has a reputation for valuing personal privacy and protecting it by law, and it’s also bound by the GDPR – perhaps the strongest collection of privacy laws in the world right now. However, the NSA has facilities in Germany, leading many to assume that they spy on Germany and the rest of Europe from Germany. If so, this may call into question the government’s dedication to personal privacy.

    ProtonMail is based in Switzerland. Because it’s not part of the EU, Switzerland is not bound by the GDPR. However, given the importance of its intensely private banking industry in Switzerland, it’s clear that the country values privacy from both a legal and cultural standpoint. If data is stored inaccessibly, a judge can still grant access to it, but Swiss law demands that the owner of the data (you) must be informed before this is done.

    And,

    1. https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/cryptocurrency-support/
  • jarjar Provider
    edited January 2019

    sanvit said: Then trust MXR and go with them.

    Not a good idea. If data is not important, none of this matters. If it is important, going with me and not trusting me is bad decision making. If it is important, you do trust me, and me not knowing anything about you is vital, it's so that I can't hold you accountable for the damage you intend to cause.

    Experience has taught me that any other scenario is wildly theoretical and never actually occurs in practice. Theory and wishful thinking are fine, but these are the realities I deal in, and they are well informed realities from years of doing business.

    I prefer not to provide service to someone who does not trust me, it is better for both of us. No offense meant to anyone. OP should pick one of the services they listed, as they seem comfortable with them.

    Sorry I know I said I was gone, was waiting on a slow log grep ;)

  • subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member

    @sudoranger Sis? Your point being?

  • if you don't trust others, just host ur own.

    signature for rent - ^_^

  • subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member

    I think mr @jar really want to help me but his investors won't let him.

    I am not trying to hide anything, I can even send you all my IDs.

    Just wondering, why does a fake email and phone number changes the game with many services these days.

  • subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member

    @mrclown said:
    if you don't trust others, just host ur own.

    True, but I have been told of things I need to worry and it is not worth it. As email is like IRC now a days. It is mostly public.

    For secure communications use XMPP/OMEMO or Signal or better.

  • subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member

    @jar said:
    Edit: Meh, not really worth debate. It's just for conversational sake anyway.

    That is my point. People asking for it isn't worth it either.

  • sudorangersudoranger Member
    edited January 2019

    @cipher said:
    @sudoranger Sis? Your point being?

    Sorry, I don't know you. I'm a woman so I assume your gender is the same as mine.

    Privacy is funny. People should stay away from the Internet and live in a remote island/jungle if they don't like to expose themselves whatnot using a managed email service.

    I ship @jar opinion. If they don't trust you then move on, it's not like there's only 1 fish in the sea.

    p/s: The most secure communication is to not communicate at all.

    Thanked by 1kkrajk
  • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

    @sanvit said:
    For any paid option, I believe @jar and @MikePT is your best bet.

    @eol said:
    MikeET +1.

    Thank you guys!

    Both are excellent options! :-)

  • subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member

    @MikePT do you allow anonymous sign up for custom domain?

  • lukehebblukehebb Member
    edited January 2019

    cipher said: Minimum or no personal data for sign up like Mxroute.com needs your phone, alternate email and what not. (We already own a legit domain name so why need or require so much of information, it should just ask for Name, Address for billing if needed). I do not want to give alternate email address at all, also don't ask for phone number or else what is wrong with Gmail?

    Please tell me this is a joke?

    As someone who works at a web host, the most annoying recurring issue we have is customers using email accounts hosted with us as the contact email address on their account. We suspend service for whatever reason (billing, T&C breach etc) and here come the angry "You didn't tell me!" tickets.

    We did. But oh look your email account was also suspended. We regularly tell people to get a gmail address or whatever just to ensure we can always wing an email at them if necessary. This is definitely good practice.

    Thanked by 1jar
  • subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member

    @lukehebb said:

    cipher said: Minimum or no personal data for sign up like Mxroute.com needs your phone, alternate email and what not. (We already own a legit domain name so why need or require so much of information, it should just ask for Name, Address for billing if needed). I do not want to give alternate email address at all, also don't ask for phone number or else what is wrong with Gmail?

    Please tell me this is a joke?

    As someone who works at a web host, the most annoying recurring issue we have is customers using email accounts hosted with us as the contact email address on their account. We suspend service for whatever reason (billing, T&C breach etc) and here come the angry "You didn't tell me!" tickets.

    We did. But oh look your email account was also suspended. We regularly tell people to get a gmail address or whatever just to ensure we can always wing an email at them if necessary. This is definitely good practice.

    I never had a gmail and I am using a couple of services that never needed my email address and I am fine with it. I just contact support somehow usually via XMPP or IRC or whatever they offer. I agree that email is a good idea but should it be mandated? Is my question. Esp. when you are signing up for a emailing hosting service only.

  • @cipher said:

    @mrclown said:
    if you don't trust others, just host ur own.

    True, but I have been told of things I need to worry and it is not worth it. As email is like IRC now a days. It is mostly public.

    For secure communications use XMPP/OMEMO or Signal or better.

    Your privacy worth every penny if you don't trust any 3rd party to even share ur name or number. bcuz they have more deeper insights in reality which is passing data through their servers.. anything could happen for real.

    I won't even put my trust on any of those providers who allow almost anonymous customer just bcuz i owned a domain. Balance a bit then you might find ur ideal one.

    signature for rent - ^_^

  • cipher said: I just contact support somehow usually via XMPP or IRC or whatever they offer.

    This isn't about you contacting them, it's about them contacting you.

  • cipher said: Trust? I am signing up my properly registered domain name with them, isn't it enough trust?

    No. Spammers register domains all the time.

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