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Ploi - Deploy tool feedback wanted

Ploi - Deploy tool feedback wanted

Cannonb4llsCannonb4lls Member
edited July 28 in General

Hello everyone!

I recently started developing https://ploi.io, my intentions when I started it was pure for private use. But colleague developers noticed it and we're very enthusiastic about the project, that I started on making it public. I am the owner and the developer of Ploi, Ploi is currently taking about 80% of my time per week. Ploi is a VPS management tool where you can provision servers in with DigitalOcean, Vultr, Linode, Scaleway or a VPS by your favorite vendor (Ubuntu 18.04).

I am looking for some feedback on the frontend and if you have the spare time, on the panel design. Let me know!

P.S. If you want some more background about this project, I wrote an article about it:

https://medium.com/@dennissmink/why-i-started-creating-ploi-io-f2fe16dfb09a

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  • Hi, i have some idle servers and i will do test.

    but why it must be Ubuntu 18? what about if my provider doesnt support that version yet.

  • @dedicados said:

    Hi, i have some idle servers and i will do test.

    but why it must be Ubuntu 18? what about if my provider doesnt support that version yet.

    This is because my knowledge about Ubuntu is the highest, and I fully understand it. I am working for more supported OS's in the future but for now Ubuntu only.

  • MikePTMikePT Member

    Nice project. Congratulations.

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  • @Cannonb4lls said:

    @dedicados said:

    Hi, i have some idle servers and i will do test.

    but why it must be Ubuntu 18? what about if my provider doesnt support that version yet.

    This is because my knowledge about Ubuntu is the highest, and I fully understand it. I am working for more supported OS's in the future but for now Ubuntu only.

    I think he was asking why not an earlier version of Ubuntu. (or if this is backwards compatible) 18.04 is quite new, and there are way more people utilizing 14.04/16.04 in production.

  • Great! First question, how do you delete a server ( in case I entered the wrong ip address)? Could be obvious but I've not been able to find a delete button.

    Second observation, you should give at least 7-10 day full feature ( the pro option) to new signup/accounts. The features I'll like to test are on the pro plan and I can't justify paying $10 for beta :)

  • DazzleDazzle Member

    More site quota on free plan and I will leave Serverpilot.

  • @Dazzle said: More site quota on free plan and I will leave Serverpilot.

    You should stay with serverpilot in that case as there's no going back (no free account) or try Runcloud.

  • DazzleDazzle Member

    @DanSummer said:

    @Dazzle said: More site quota on free plan and I will leave Serverpilot.

    You should stay with serverpilot in that case as there's no going back (no free account) or try Runcloud.

    Yes, you're right. But the feel that I'm not needed (as a free user) anymore bothered me, surely they wiping out the freeriders, smoothly.

    I'm expecting new service like Serverpilot to come, and here they are, Ploi.

    Runcloud didn't do well for me.

  • what went wrong with runcloud? I hope two-three more services like runcloud, serverpilot show up on the block. I hope Ploi is one of those ....they still have a long way to go.

  • BlaZeBlaZe Member, Provider

    Support CentOS and I will switch for sure! :D

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  • just test it and I can install with ubuntu 16.04

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  • First of all, thank you all for your kind replies. I value every piece of feedback therefore I will try to reply to everyone as much as I can.

    @MikePT said: Nice project. Congratulations.

    Thank you!

    @Swiftnode said:

    @Cannonb4lls said:

    @dedicados said:

    Hi, i have some idle servers and i will do test.

    but why it must be Ubuntu 18? what about if my provider doesnt support that version yet.

    This is because my knowledge about Ubuntu is the highest, and I fully understand it. I am working for more supported OS's in the future but for now Ubuntu only.

    I think he was asking why not an earlier version of Ubuntu. (or if this is backwards compatible) 18.04 is quite new, and there are way more people utilizing 14.04/16.04 in production.

    Ah, well Ploi used to be only using 16.04 and since the upgrade to 18.04 the installation has not changed much so it should work.

    @DanSummer said: Great! First question, how do you delete a server ( in case I entered the wrong ip address)? Could be obvious but I've not been able to find a delete button.

    Second observation, you should give at least 7-10 day full feature ( the pro option) to new signup/accounts. The features I'll like to test are on the pro plan and I can't justify paying $10 for beta :)

    Good suggestion, when its on the installation progress you cannot delete it, but I will note this to our TODO list as this is required. After installation you can go to the META tab and find all specific information about your server as well as a delete button.

    @DanSummer said: what went wrong with runcloud? I hope two-three more services like runcloud, serverpilot show up on the block. I hope Ploi is one of those ....they still have a long way to go.

    Could you tell me what you are absolutely missing, Ploi is most certainly ready for production usage (I for example run 6 servers and exactly 49 websites spread over these servers)

    @BlaZe said: Support CentOS and I will switch for sure! :D

    Will note on our TODO list!

    @newbiemasih said: just test it and I can install with ubuntu 16.04

    Just as I expected, Ubuntu 16.04 installations should be fine indeed yes.

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  • Cannonb4lls said: Good suggestion, when its on the installation progress you cannot delete it, but I will note this to our TODO list as this is required. After installation you can go to the META tab and find all specific information about your server as well as a delete button.

    Then I've missed the opportunity to test this. What happened is this: I provisioned two identical vps servers, wanted to run some test with your system on one and runcloud on the other.... inserted the wrong server IP into your system and it has been attempting to install on the server with no luck for over 10 hours now.

    it would keep trying to install on the wrong server forever.

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  • @DanSummer said:

    Cannonb4lls said: Good suggestion, when its on the installation progress you cannot delete it, but I will note this to our TODO list as this is required. After installation you can go to the META tab and find all specific information about your server as well as a delete button.

    Then I've missed the opportunity to test this. What happened is this: I provisioned two identical vps servers, wanted to run some test with your system on one and runcloud on the other.... inserted the wrong server IP into your system and it has been attempting to install on the server with no luck for over 10 hours now.

    it would keep trying to install on the wrong server forever.

    Haha, it looks like its installing but it actually isn't, it aborted installation and notified me what is going on. Can I remove it so you can test again?

  • DeftNerdDeftNerd Member

    Nice! It's basically Laravel Forge, but at 1/4th the cost. For fans of self-hosted solutions, https://github.com/REBELinBLUE/deployer is a pretty good option, but it's just for code deployment and doesn't set up the environment for you.

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  • @DeftNerd said: Nice! It's basically Laravel Forge, but at 1/4th the cost. For fans of self-hosted solutions, https://github.com/REBELinBLUE/deployer is a pretty good option, but it's just for code deployment and doesn't set up the environment for you.

    Thank you, it basically is but it offers a few more features. :)

  • taronyutaronyu Member

    Have been using it for several months now, developer is very responsive. Works without issues and way cheaper then Laravel Forge. Way better to let Ploi manage my servers than do it myself.

    I'm a happy camper for now. :)

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  • Cannonb4llsCannonb4lls Member
    edited July 28

    @taronyu said: Have been using it for several months now, developer is very responsive. Works without issues and way cheaper then Laravel Forge. Way better to let Ploi manage my servers than do it myself.

    I'm a happy camper for now. :)

    Thanks!

    I got more feedback about the free trial, so I just released a new feature on Ploi that gives new users 5 days the basic plan so you can fully try it.

  • @Cannonb4lls said:

    @DanSummer said:

    Cannonb4lls said: Good suggestion, when its on the installation progress you cannot delete it, but I will note this to our TODO list as this is required. After installation you can go to the META tab and find all specific information about your server as well as a delete button.

    Then I've missed the opportunity to test this. What happened is this: I provisioned two identical vps servers, wanted to run some test with your system on one and runcloud on the other.... inserted the wrong server IP into your system and it has been attempting to install on the server with no luck for over 10 hours now.

    it would keep trying to install on the wrong server forever.

    Haha, it looks like its installing but it actually isn't, it aborted installation and notified me what is going on. Can I remove it so you can test again?

    Sure! Please proceed. Regarding features, how does your pro option compare to runcloud pro version (https://runcloud.io/pricing.html) in terms of features?

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  • @DanSummer said:

    @Cannonb4lls said:

    @DanSummer said:

    Cannonb4lls said: Good suggestion, when its on the installation progress you cannot delete it, but I will note this to our TODO list as this is required. After installation you can go to the META tab and find all specific information about your server as well as a delete button.

    Then I've missed the opportunity to test this. What happened is this: I provisioned two identical vps servers, wanted to run some test with your system on one and runcloud on the other.... inserted the wrong server IP into your system and it has been attempting to install on the server with no luck for over 10 hours now.

    it would keep trying to install on the wrong server forever.

    Haha, it looks like its installing but it actually isn't, it aborted installation and notified me what is going on. Can I remove it so you can test again?

    Sure! Please proceed. Regarding features, how does your pro option compare to runcloud pro version (https://runcloud.io/pricing.html) in terms of features?

    I see they write every feature they have in that table, if I do that the list would be as long as theirs actually.

    As far as I can see if you compare the pro versions, we offer extra;

    • Automatic MySQL dropbox backup (to your own dropbox)
    • Zero Time Deployment

    There might even be more, but I can't think of them right now.

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  • XNQXNQ Member

    @Cannonb4lls said:

    As far as I can see if you compare the pro versions, we offer extra;

    • Automatic MySQL dropbox backup (to your own dropbox)

    Would you be able to add Google Drive to that list? Either via rclone or any of the other software like drive? I use the following scripts for backing up files & db's for Runcloud: https://blog.ss88.us/backup-script-to-google-drive-runcloud

    I currently use Runcloud and I'm happy with it, but I'm definitely gonna spin up a test VM to try out Ploi. :)

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  • Matt247Matt247 Member

    Very nice project, any plan to add apache + nginx support in the future just like serverpilot & runcloud?

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  • Previous comments made me think about the pricing part so I refactored a bit more to clarify exactly what Ploi has, there is more which I will add later but this gives a huge indication already:

    https://ploi.io/pricing

    Let me know what you think!

    @XNQ said:

    @Cannonb4lls said:

    As far as I can see if you compare the pro versions, we offer extra;

    • Automatic MySQL dropbox backup (to your own dropbox)

    Would you be able to add Google Drive to that list? Either via rclone or any of the other software like drive? I use the following scripts for backing up files & db's for Runcloud: https://blog.ss88.us/backup-script-to-google-drive-runcloud

    I currently use Runcloud and I'm happy with it, but I'm definitely gonna spin up a test VM to try out Ploi. :)

    Google Drive was indeed on our TODO list, i'll move it up a notch :)

    @Matt247 said: Very nice project, any plan to add apache + nginx support in the future just like serverpilot & runcloud?

    Not yet, but I am interested, could you tell me the benefits?

  • williewillie Member, Moderator

    @Cannonb4lls can you edit your initial post to make it more clear that you're the developer/owner of Ploi? Thanks.

  • @willie said: @Cannonb4lls can you edit your initial post to make it more clear that you're the developer/owner of Ploi? Thanks.

    I sure would, but I cannot seem to edit it. It seems I can only edit a day back or something.

  • First sentence said he started it

  • williewillie Member, Moderator

    OmgpleaseRead said: First sentence said he started it

    It says "I recently started with https://ploi.io..." which at first glance sounded like it was an existing product and he started using it.

    Cannonb4lls said: I sure would, but I cannot seem to edit it

    I can edit it for you if you want. Just let me know what it should say.

  • Awmusic12635Awmusic12635 Member, Provider

    It might be worth condensing your feature breakdowns on the plans. I have to scroll to even see the signup button because so many features are listed

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  • @willie said:

    OmgpleaseRead said: First sentence said he started it

    It says "I recently started with https://ploi.io..." which at first glance sounded like it was an existing product and he started using it.

    Cannonb4lls said: I sure would, but I cannot seem to edit it

    I can edit it for you if you want. Just let me know what it should say.

    Will send you a message.

    @Awmusic12635 said: It might be worth condensing your feature breakdowns on the plans. I have to scroll to even see the signup button because so many features are listed

    I was kind of thinking the same, but could you elaborate a bit more on breaking down?

  • Matt247Matt247 Member

    @Cannonb4lls said: Not yet, but I am interested, could you tell me the benefits?

    Running apache + nginx as a reverse proxy give user ability to use .htaccess for URL rewrite without need to convert to nginx configuration, this is very useful feature.

  • @Matt247 said:

    @Cannonb4lls said: Not yet, but I am interested, could you tell me the benefits?

    Running apache + nginx as a reverse proxy give user ability to use .htaccess for URL rewrite without need to convert to nginx configuration, this is very useful feature.

    Ah, will note this to our TODO list and read myself into this material :)

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  • Awmusic12635Awmusic12635 Member, Provider

    Cannonb4lls said: I was kind of thinking the same, but could you elaborate a bit more on breaking down?

    I just meant where you listed all the features for a specific plan. List less of them. There is just way too much listed there.

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  • @Cannonb4lls said:

    @DanSummer said:

    @Cannonb4lls said:

    @DanSummer said:

    Cannonb4lls said: Good suggestion, when its on the installation progress you cannot delete it, but I will note this to our TODO list as this is required. After installation you can go to the META tab and find all specific information about your server as well as a delete button.

    Then I've missed the opportunity to test this. What happened is this: I provisioned two identical vps servers, wanted to run some test with your system on one and runcloud on the other.... inserted the wrong server IP into your system and it has been attempting to install on the server with no luck for over 10 hours now.

    it would keep trying to install on the wrong server forever.

    Haha, it looks like its installing but it actually isn't, it aborted installation and notified me what is going on. Can I remove it so you can test again?

    Sure! Please proceed. Regarding features, how does your pro option compare to runcloud pro version (https://runcloud.io/pricing.html) in terms of features?

    I see they write every feature they have in that table, if I do that the list would be as long as theirs actually.

    As far as I can see if you compare the pro versions, we offer extra;

    • Automatic MySQL dropbox backup (to your own dropbox)
    • Zero Time Deployment

    There might even be more, but I can't think of them right now.

    Good point! I'll advise you write it out too (add a mouseover/ popup for explanation where things could use some explaining).

    Runcloud has their own backup which cost extra. I think is smart to use dropbox or google drive which most people already have access to.

    I love Runcloud but come to think of it, I loved serverpilot until a few weeks back :) I'll happily sign up for your pro account and drop serverpilot from my portfolio so I'll have runcloud and ploi... but first, I need to get your script running on the server!

  • Cannonb4llsCannonb4lls Member
    edited July 28

    Good suggestion @DanSummer, the popups are a great idea to elaborate on some features and functions.

    I did the backup thing on purpose this way, as you said people usually have these providers as storage so it benefits both of us. (Google Drive implementation still has to come though)

    If you create a empty Ubuntu 16.04/18.04 server with your favorite vendor and follow installation process correctly it should be fine then. The installation of a custom VPS is fairly easy really.

  • @Cannonb4lls said: Previous comments made me think about the pricing part so I refactored a bit more to clarify exactly what Ploi has, there is more which I will add later but this gives a huge indication already:

    https://ploi.io/pricing

    Let me know what you think!

    Bad move my friend, bad move! LOL

  • You went and took away dropbox auto backup from the basic plan. wth? :) was that a mistake?

  • @DanSummer said:

    @Cannonb4lls said: Previous comments made me think about the pricing part so I refactored a bit more to clarify exactly what Ploi has, there is more which I will add later but this gives a huge indication already:

    https://ploi.io/pricing

    Let me know what you think!

    Bad move my friend, bad move! LOL

    Could you elaborate?

    @DanSummer said: You went and took away dropbox auto backup from the basic plan. wth? :) was that a mistake?

    Yes a design mistake which I discovered when refactoring.

  • Cannonb4lls said: Could you elaborate?

    dropbox auto backup is not available for the $5/5 servers plan. It was there before you updated that page.

  • williewillie Member, Moderator

    What does zero time deployment mean? How long does deployment take without it?

    How about irc notification along with discord and slack?

    Re:

    Ploi is a VPS management tool where you can provision servers in with DigitalOcean, Vultr, Linode, Scaleway or a VPS by your favorite vendor (Ubuntu 18.04).

    can that info be put on the site? What do you mean by "VPS by your favorite vendor": does the VPS have to run Ubuntu 18.04? Can it be any VPS, i.e. I upload an ssh private key so Ploi can install stuff on the server?

    I guess this is intended as site feedback (i.e. site should clarify the above things) rather than sales-type questions.

    Does the per-server pricing mean per VPS or per hardware node? Like if I have a dedi and want to run 50 VPS on it do I need the unlimited plan? Can the program deploy and manage VPS on a bare metal node? I've used proxmox a little but mostly don't virtualize at all at the moment.

    It would be nice if there was a documentation page with detailed explanation of all the features, screen shots etc., accessible without signing up.

    Overall it seems like a relatively upscale product, which is a perfectly fine thing, even if LET is more of a DIY crowd trying to do things on the cheap.

  • I've never used something like this before but I'm intrigued, nice work :)

    I'm testing Ploi out as I type this, just waiting for the initial process to finish.

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  • Really seems like you're just being overly negative around this.

    @willie said: What does zero time deployment mean?

    Instant deployment if I had to guess...

    How long does deployment take without it? Not instantly?

    How about irc notification along with discord and slack? lol

    can that info be put on the site? What do you mean by "VPS by your favorite vendor": does the VPS have to run Ubuntu 18.04?

    VPS by your favourite vendor means any vendor running Ubuntu 18. You may run it on 14, 16 or 18 but 18 is officially supported.

    Can it be any VPS, i.e. I upload an ssh private key so Ploi can install stuff on the server?

    Honestly, it feels like I've quoted a child.

    LET is more of a DIY crowd trying to do things on the cheap.

    Speak for yourself.

  • williewillie Member, Moderator
    edited July 29

    I wasn't trying to be negative. Do you know how Ploi sets up the VPS? I.e. do I upload an ssh key to Ploi which Ploi then uses? Or is it some other way? The mention of specific providers like DO made it sound like Ploi might depend on provider API's. Yes it's understood that the VPS has to run Ubuntu version whatever.

    Speak for yourself.

    Well I wasn't aware that products like this even existed. I use some ansible playbooks for deployment and (hypothetically) Nagios on remote VPSes for monitoring, but I can see the attraction of having centralized monitoring, logging, a browser GUI, maybe a SIEM? Etc. LET has traditionally been mostly about self-hosting on raw VPS, so Ploi is kind of unusual for here. I certainly wish it the best.

  • @Cannonb4lls said:

    If you create a empty Ubuntu 16.04/18.04 server with your favorite vendor and follow installation process correctly it should be fine then. The installation of a custom VPS is fairly easy really.

    Thanks! It worked. Great potential. I think I managed to break a thing or two and now ploi can't see the server. That's good though since it's reversible:)

    I'll pm you on what went wrong.

    Looking good!

  • @DanSummer said:

    Cannonb4lls said: Could you elaborate?

    dropbox auto backup is not available for the $5/5 servers plan. It was there before you updated that page.

    I meant could you elaborate on your previous comment: "Bad move my friend, bad move! LOL".

    The dropbox plan was always ment to be available from Pro plan but I made a mistake in the pricing tables, as I said before.

    @PowerNode said: I've never used something like this before but I'm intrigued, nice work :)

    I'm testing Ploi out as I type this, just waiting for the initial process to finish.

    Nice, if you have any feedback let me know please :)

    @DanSummer said:

    @Cannonb4lls said:

    If you create a empty Ubuntu 16.04/18.04 server with your favorite vendor and follow installation process correctly it should be fine then. The installation of a custom VPS is fairly easy really.

    Thanks! It worked. Great potential. I think I managed to break a thing or two and now ploi can't see the server. That's good though since it's reversible:)

    I'll pm you on what went wrong.

    Looking good!

    I will await your PM, thanks!

    @willie

    I'll reply this way to not make this post too big and unreadable. I get where you are coming from, you want more detailed explanation about the work-process of Ploi. I will note this in our TODO list and have a small meeting with the team how we can solve this properly :)

  • Cannonb4lls said: I meant could you elaborate on your previous comment: "Bad move my friend, bad move! LOL".

    The dropbox plan was always ment to be available from Pro plan but I made a mistake in the pricing tables, as I said before.

    That comment was about the update you made on the price page removing dropbox feature from the basic account.

    Got your explanation now.

  • @DanSummer said:

    Cannonb4lls said: I meant could you elaborate on your previous comment: "Bad move my friend, bad move! LOL".

    The dropbox plan was always ment to be available from Pro plan but I made a mistake in the pricing tables, as I said before.

    That comment was about the update you made on the price page removing dropbox feature from the basic account.

    Got your explanation now.

    Yes :) We talked on the live chat as well, thank you for your feedback once again.

    If anyone else has anything, please let me know!

  • williewillie Member, Moderator

    Cannonb4lls said: I get where you are coming from, you want more detailed explanation about the work-process of Ploi. I will note this in our TODO list and have a small meeting with the team how we can solve this properly :)

    Thanks ;). Actually it will make the product more serious if it has real documentation (detailed and professionally edited) though that is a pretty big project. https://docs.ansible.com/ is an example at a much larger scale.

  • @willie

    There's no reason for a customer to know how a product works. Ploi may or may not use Ansible/Puppet/Chef (take your pick) in the backend.

    This is what deployment tools like Ploi and Serverpilot work. It's easier to be hands off sometimes and let a product do the configuration for you.

    You said you deploy Nagios (or its agents?) for monitoring. Afaik, the process is fairly straightforward as compared to deploying applications which products like Ploi support out of the box, and as far as I know, clustered WordPress deployments are in the pipeline for Ploi, which again, is a fairly complex process where you have to keep in mind load balancers, mysql clusters, and caches, depending on how the customer wants these.

    Then again, you may be part of a DIY crowd but I prefer a tool for doing this for me so that I can avoid the human errors and save the time I would've spent fixing those.

    I wasn't trying to be negative. Do you know how Ploi sets up the VPS? I.e. do I upload an ssh key to Ploi which Ploi then uses? Or is it some other way? The mention of specific providers like DO made it sound like Ploi might depend on provider API's. Yes it's understood that the VPS has to run Ubuntu version whatever.

    That doesn't make sense. If you're uploading ssh keys, why would they even need the API?

    You may not have purposefully tried by negative but its a pita when someone takes the time out to make a dedicated support threat to help people answer questions about his product and gets bombarded with crap like this.

  • williewillie Member, Moderator
    edited July 29

    varunchopra said: That doesn't make sense. If you're uploading ssh keys, why would they even need the API?

    The first thought when I saw specific hosts mentioned was that it used an API. Then I found out it could manage Ubuntu instances on other hosts, so ssh came to mind. So I'm asking whether ssh is the mechanism. That's something a customer definitely has to know in order to use the system.

    I'm not trying to slag on it. It's a cool idea and if it's helping you with your own deployments that's great. I haven't felt so far that I needed something like that myself, but I can see how it can make things simpler.

    What I mean by upscale is this: if I'm running a bunch of $10/m or $20/m DO instances then the $1/month per server for Ploi isn't bad at all. And those are considered budget services compared with AWS. But the maximum allowed price for a VPS offer on LET is $7/month and the most popular ones, possibly the majority of the ones actually sold, are under $2/month ($10-$20/year annual plans). The cost of Ploi gets to be a significant chunk of the server expenditures for those and seems likely to hit some resistance. In my case I have a bunch of LES-style NAT VPS which are $2-$4 per YEAR, so Ploi is not cost effective at all, unless I have 100s of them and get the unlimited plan. On the other hand I think the pricing is quite reasonable considering the work going into developing and operating it, so I don't claim that it should be cheaper.

    That's why I think LET is probably not an ideal audience for this product. There are some users such as yourself who are in the target market but many (most?) of us are further down on the food chain.

    @Cannonb4lls : it might be worthwhile to offer a reseller option, so VPS hosts could offer it to their clients as an add-on. Users could then just check a box if they want to buy it, when they order their VPS or afterwards.

    varunchopra said: dedicated support threa[d]

    It's not a support thread, it's a feedback thread (look at the thread title), and I gave some feedback.

  • @willie said: @Cannonb4lls : it might be worthwhile to offer a reseller option, so VPS hosts could offer it to their clients as an add-on. Users could then just check a box if they want to buy it, when they order their VPS or afterwards.

    Yes, I had the same idea to do this. Anyone have some VPS hosts that they recommend so I can contact those?

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