Hetzner drops flexi pack
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Hetzner drops flexi pack

chxchx Member

It seems the infamous flexi pack is completely gone. https://www.hetzner.com/flexipack/ no longer mentions it, a year ago https://web.archive.org/web/20170820171940/https://www.hetzner.com/flexipack/ it was still there. Same with their wiki.

Much cheaper to tweak the auction servers.

In other news they now have E5-1650V2 and V3 machines on auction, 128GB below 70 EUR and 256GB below 100 EUR -- not bad.

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  • What about the users already paying for it on recurring basis? :(

    @Hetzner_OL

  • williewillie Member
    edited July 16

    You can now add the hardware at no extra charge? Wow that's great. Also it looks like they decreased the price of the 10TB HDD add-on (and maybe other prices changed as well). At 19.5 euro/m for 10TB that's just about the cheapest storage per TB available anywhere. I think it was 30 euro/m before. Nice!

    And yes, the flexipack was around as recently as a couple weeks ago.

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  • drivexdrivex Member

    @jetchirag said:
    What about the users already paying for it on recurring basis? :(

    @Hetzner_OL

    I‘ve seen an answer in their board, that you can write a ticket and get the flexi option removed from your existing server.

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  • MikePTMikePT Member
    edited July 16

    @willie said:
    You can now add the hardware at no extra charge? Wow that's great. Also it looks like they decreased the price of the 10TB HDD add-on (and maybe other prices changed as well). At 19.5 euro/m for 10TB that's just about the cheapest storage per TB available anywhere. I think it was 30 euro/m before. Nice!

    And yes, the flexipack was around as recently as a couple weeks ago.

    Excellent stuff, superb, though I can't seem to be able to add more than 1 of those disks while ordering :\

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  • williewillie Member

    MikePT said:

    Excellent stuff, superb, though I can't seem to be able to add more than 1 of those disks while ordering :\

    Yeah I wondered how many disks the servers can hold. I know it depends on the model, e.g. some of the Dell servers can hold quite a few. I wonder also if you can swap out an existing lower capacity disk (probably for no credit but we can't have everything).

    Per their email newsletter there is also a sale going on: setup fee is temporarily removed for EX41, EX41S, EX51, EX51-SSD, PX61-SSD, PX61-NVMe, AX60-SSD,
    AX160-NVMe, AX160-SSD.

    Hey @Hetzner_OL how are the AMD servers working out so far? It would be nice to have a low priced GPU server (AX50 say), based on the Ryzen 2400G which has 11 Vega Compute Units if I remember right. That is maybe 1/6th the performance of the GTX 1080 card in the EX51-GPU, but it's built into the relatively low cost CPU chip. Also eagerly awaiting GPU servers in the Hetzner cloud.

  • MikePTMikePT Member

    @willie said:

    MikePT said:

    Excellent stuff, superb, though I can't seem to be able to add more than 1 of those disks while ordering :\

    Yeah I wondered how many disks the servers can hold. I know it depends on the model, e.g. some of the Dell servers can hold quite a few. I wonder also if you can swap out an existing lower capacity disk (probably for no credit but we can't have everything).

    Per their email newsletter there is also a sale going on: setup fee is temporarily removed for EX41, EX41S, EX51, EX51-SSD, PX61-SSD, PX61-NVMe, AX60-SSD,
    AX160-NVMe, AX160-SSD.

    Hey @Hetzner_OL how are the AMD servers working out so far? It would be nice to have a low priced GPU server (AX50 say), based on the Ryzen 2400G which has 11 Vega Compute Units if I remember right. That is maybe 1/6th the performance of the GTX 1080 card in the EX51-GPU, but it's built into the relatively low cost CPU chip. Also eagerly awaiting GPU servers in the Hetzner cloud.

    Nevertheless, it's still pretty good. I mean, excellent from Hetzner. Ruins OVH totally.

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  • plumbergplumberg Member

    So we can alter current server bidding hardware and pay extra with the options provided? or is it applicable to any particular range? Thanks

  • chxchx Member

    @plumberg said:
    So we can alter current server bidding hardware and pay extra with the options provided?

    Yes, that's the gist of it. It is quite monumental, I'd say. But file a product advice ticket in the robot first and ask how many disks can you squeeze in. You can figure out what are you bidding on based on https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Root_Server_Hardware/en#EX_Servers -- the CPU identifies the model, there's little overlap.

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  • plumbergplumberg Member

    @chx said:

    @plumberg said:
    So we can alter current server bidding hardware and pay extra with the options provided?

    Yes, that's the gist of it. It is quite monumental, I'd say. But file a product advice ticket in the robot first and ask how many disks can you squeeze in. You can figure out what are you bidding on based on https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Root_Server_Hardware/en#EX_Servers -- the CPU identifies the model, there's little overlap.

    Thanks for the tip. This is awesome.

  • williewillie Member

    Wonder if it's time for a refresh of the SX line, to switch to 10TB drives. SX291 with 150TB of storage starts to get interesting :).

  • Hetzner_OLHetzner_OL Member, Provider, Top Provider

    jetchirag said: What about the users already paying for it on recurring basis? :(

    I suggest that they write a support request via the user interface Robot. My colleagues there will help you. --Katie

  • Hetzner_OLHetzner_OL Member, Provider, Top Provider

    willie said: It would be nice to have a low priced GPU server (AX50 say), based on the Ryzen 2400G which has 11 Vega Compute Units if I remember right. That is maybe 1/6th the performance of the GTX 1080 card in the EX51-GPU, but it's built into the relatively low cost CPU chip. Also eagerly awaiting GPU servers in the Hetzner cloud.

    I can pass this feedback onto my colleagues. But you guys know that we don't publish information on new products in advance. Thanks for the feedback! --Katie

  • @Hetzner_OL said:

    jetchirag said: What about the users already paying for it on recurring basis? :(

    I suggest that they write a support request via the user interface Robot. My colleagues there will help you. --Katie

    Thanks, I left a message in morning. Sorry I forgot to update this thread.

    They said that I can ask for flexipack to be removed after nearly an year from date of purchase. It's in December but never mind :)

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  • Hetzner_OLHetzner_OL Member, Provider, Top Provider

    willie said: Yeah I wondered how many disks the servers can hold. I know it depends on the model, e.g. some of the Dell servers can hold quite a few. I wonder also if you can swap out an existing lower capacity disk (probably for no credit but we can't have everything).

    If you have any questions about the configurations, just write us a support request via Robot if you are already a customer. If you're not yet a customer, you can reach our technicians at https://www.hetzner.com/support-form The team there can give you more detailed answers than I can. --Katie

  • AFAIK even the {sandy,ivy} i7 auction servers have 4 drive capacity.

    I guess I'll keep my 22euro 2TB(HGSTx2 raid1) auction server until I need more than 2TB.
    At that point, it makes more sense to add 1 or 2 10TB disks to my other 64GB RAM EX41-SSD (depending on whether I want to deploy backup space or object-storage/NAS )

  • dergelbedergelbe Member

    @willie said:
    Also eagerly awaiting GPU servers in the Hetzner cloud.

    Not trolling, just curious, what you need a GPU in a webserver for? (special math?)

  • williewillie Member

    dergelbe said: Not trolling, just curious, what you need a GPU in a webserver for? (special math?)

    I've been looking at machine learning videos lately (www.fast.ai) and also interested in Leela Chess Zero which is a neural net chess program. GPUs are heavily used for that stuff.

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  • CConnerCConner Member, Provider

    dergelbe said: Not trolling, just curious, what you need a GPU in a webserver for? (special math?)

    Hetzner Cloud can also be used for other stuff than just webservers I'd imagine.

  • williewillie Member

    Yeah I just interpreted webserver as a more general type of server. I have only one actual http server running right now (on a BuyVM slice along with a bunch of other stuff on that slice), and it has super low traffic, plus I have a few personal web pages on shared hosting (Buyshared and Afreecloud). I have several dedis used mostly for storage and computation, and the all-important enterprise-class idling.

  • chxchx Member

    @willie said:
    Wonder if it's time for a refresh of the SX line, to switch to 10TB drives. SX291 with 150TB of storage starts to get interesting :).

    14TB or GTFO. Toshiba and Seagate have 14TB PMR drives.

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  • vimalwarevimalware Member
    edited August 8

    Has anyone added an SSD to an HDD-only auction server for the stated hardware price (6.5EUR for consumer 240G ssd).

    I don't want to be surprised by hidden setup fees anymore.

    background: I am just about to drop a 39 euro SSD dedi .
    So my options for io-sensitive apps are either : add an SSD (or 2) to HDD-dedi (OR) buy a Netcup SSD Rootserver .

  • seems that hetzner have now 256 gb ram for 85€

  • NeoonNeoon Member

    @SonicFast said:
    seems that hetzner have now 256 gb ram for 85€

    They have the cheapest servers since a while, with the amount of memory you get.

    Nothing new, Hetzner still offers the best/performance on cpu, disk and memory.

  • williewillie Member
    edited August 8

    SonicFast said: seems that hetzner have now 256 gb ram for 85€

    Which model? I don't see that and if it's right, it's amazing even for Hetzner.

    @Hetzner_OL I notice that https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Root_Server_Hardware/en#RAM mentions you can add 16x 64GB ram (total 1TB) to the AX160, but the AX160 page mentions a 512GB maximum. You might ask your web team to fix this discrepancy. I can't wait to get a 1TB server ;-).

  • NeoonNeoon Member

    @willie said:

    SonicFast said: seems that hetzner have now 256 gb ram for 85€

    Which model? I don't see that and if it's right, it's amazing even for Hetzner.

    https://robot.your-server.de/order/marketConfirm/873114/culture/en_/country/OTHER

  • williewillie Member
    edited August 8

    Wow, clicking confirm led to an order page, but that server doesn't actually show up in the auction. The least expensive 256GB server currently in the auction is 134 euro (still great) but I guess that other one was available earlier. So pretty amazing.

  • NeoonNeoon Member

    @willie said:
    Wow, clicking confirm led to an order page, but that server doesn't actually show up in the auction. The least expensive 256GB server currently in the auction is 134 euro (still great) but I guess that other one was available earlier. So pretty amazing.

    Well, the API returns it, otherwise would not be listed on metaDedi.

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  • williewillie Member

    The API finds servers that don't show up on the auction web page? Interesting. I'll have to start monitoring it.

  • NeoonNeoon Member

    @willie said:
    The API finds servers that don't show up on the auction web page? Interesting. I'll have to start monitoring it.

    Just checked, its listed:

  • williewillie Member

    Oh I see, my search parameters were too restrictive. But anyway I don't see it now, so probably someone nabbed it. There's another one for 102 euro. This is insane either way. Some years back I had a somewhat pressing need at work for a server like that but the cost would have been ridiculous (I used around 100 smaller servers instead). Now it's semi-affordable from beer money except I don't have a use for it any more.

  • NeoonNeoon Member
    edited August 8

    @willie said:
    Oh I see, my search parameters were too restrictive. But anyway I don't see it now, so probably someone nabbed it. There's another one for 102 euro. This is insane either way. Some years back I had a somewhat pressing need at work for a server like that but the cost would have been ridiculous (I used around 100 smaller servers instead). Now it's semi-affordable from beer money except I don't have a use for it any more.

    Click the url, its still there.

  • williewillie Member

    Oh ok, the one I saw (102 euro) was the same server, but with VAT included.

  • FalzoFalzo Member

    vimalware said: Has anyone added an SSD to an HDD-only auction server for the stated hardware price (6.5EUR for consumer 240G ssd).

    I don't want to be surprised by hidden setup fees anymore.

    yes I did.

    just ordered an auction box and after it got delivered simply opened a support ticket, asking them to put in two additional SSDs (chose the 500GB consumer at 11,90 /w VAT). also stated exactly that pricing to be accepted and asking if there is anything else needed.

    received an answer less than an hour later to be told that the SSD are now added and ready to use. and that was all about it :-)

    What I can't tell yet tbh is what I will have to pay for it, because my billing date with hetzner is the 25th or something like that and I only did this on the 28th, so have not received a new invoice yet :-D
    but I have no doubt that there will be no trouble with it anyway.

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  • Hetzner_OLHetzner_OL Member, Provider, Top Provider

    @chx said:

    @willie said:
    Wonder if it's time for a refresh of the SX line, to switch to 10TB drives. SX291 with 150TB of storage starts to get interesting :).

    14TB or GTFO. Toshiba and Seagate have 14TB PMR drives.

    We get it. Just like with caffeine, more is better, right...?
    https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/matrix-sx

    --Katie, Marketing

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  • Hetzner_OLHetzner_OL Member, Provider, Top Provider

    willie said: @Hetzner_OL I notice that https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Root_Server_Hardware/en#RAM mentions you can add 16x 64GB ram (total 1TB) to the AX160, but the AX160 page mentions a 512GB maximum. You might ask your web team to fix this discrepancy. I can't wait to get a 1TB server ;-).

    It is possible to get 1TB on the AX160, but there is very small demand for it. So we consider this to be a custom build. That's why this choice isn't activated on the configuration interace.

    You can write us a support ticket to request it. And we will order the memory models and build the configuration for you as quickly as possible. When you write your support request, make sure to confirm that you accept the extra cost for the upgrade. --Katie, Marketing

  • Hetzner_OLHetzner_OL Member, Provider, Top Provider

    @vimalware and @Falzo - To answer your concerns about hidden fees -- Don't worry, there aren't any. I just double checked with my colleague. We won't charge you for setup or the old Flexi-pack fee.

    We're pretty excited to see how customers are going to react to this change, so we appreciate any feedback you can give us. --Katie, Marketing

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  • FalzoFalzo Member

    @Hetzner_OL said:
    @vimalware and @Falzo - To answer your concerns about hidden fees -- Don't worry, there aren't any. I just double checked with my colleague. We won't charge you for setup or the old Flexi-pack fee.

    We're pretty excited to see how customers are going to react to this change, so we appreciate any feedback you can give us. --Katie, Marketing

    in short? one of the best changes ever. :-D :-D :-D

    adds a lot of value at a really fair pricing point to the auction servers if you can easily drop in e.g. additional SSD drives...

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  • YmpkerYmpker Member

    @Hetzner_OL said:
    @vimalware and @Falzo - To answer your concerns about hidden fees -- Don't worry, there aren't any. I just double checked with my colleague. We won't charge you for setup or the old Flexi-pack fee.

    We're pretty excited to see how customers are going to react to this change, so we appreciate any feedback you can give us. --Katie, Marketing

    Can one actually ask for a quote for say x TB/RAM to be added beforehand so one can then decide whether the extra price works out or drop the request?

  • FalzoFalzo Member

    @Ympker said:

    @Hetzner_OL said:
    @vimalware and @Falzo - To answer your concerns about hidden fees -- Don't worry, there aren't any. I just double checked with my colleague. We won't charge you for setup or the old Flexi-pack fee.

    We're pretty excited to see how customers are going to react to this change, so we appreciate any feedback you can give us. --Katie, Marketing

    Can one actually ask for a quote for say x TB/RAM to be added beforehand so one can then decide whether the extra price works out or drop the request?

    afaik prices for HDD upgrades are fixed: https://www.hetzner.de/flexipack/

    RAM you most likely have to ask for a quote. might heavily depend on the server and how many slots are already taken etc. - details about the latter can be found in the description of each auction server.

    upgrading 16G imho won't make sense, as 32G models usually are only a few bucks more anyway. most of the 32GB server though already come with 4x8GB and there are no free slots left. chances are there is no easy or cheap way to add to that

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  • YmpkerYmpker Member

    @Falzo said:

    @Ympker said:

    @Hetzner_OL said:
    @vimalware and @Falzo - To answer your concerns about hidden fees -- Don't worry, there aren't any. I just double checked with my colleague. We won't charge you for setup or the old Flexi-pack fee.

    We're pretty excited to see how customers are going to react to this change, so we appreciate any feedback you can give us. --Katie, Marketing

    Can one actually ask for a quote for say x TB/RAM to be added beforehand so one can then decide whether the extra price works out or drop the request?

    afaik prices for HDD upgrades are fixed: https://www.hetzner.de/flexipack/

    RAM you most likely have to ask for a quote. might heavily depend on the server and how many slots are already taken etc. - details about the latter can be found in the description of each auction server.

    upgrading 16G imho won't make sense, as 32G models usually are only a few bucks more anyway. most of the 32GB server though already come with 4x8GB and there are no free slots left. chances are there is no easy or cheap way to add to that

    Cool! Thanks mate :) Flexipack looks dope^^

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