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Hot off the press: Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 stable released
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Hot off the press: Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 stable released

mkshmksh Member

https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20180609.050512.cc7e8163.en.html said:

Dear Init Freedom Lovers

Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!

We are happy to announce that Devuan GNU+Linux 2.0 ASCII Stable is finally available.

Devuan is a GNU+Linux distribution committed to providing a universal, stable, dependable, free software operating system that uses and promotes alternatives to systemd and its components.

Devuan 2.0 ASCII runs on several architectures. Installer CD and DVD ISOs, as well as desktop-live and minimal-live ISOs, are available for i386 and amd64. Ready-to-use images can be downloaded for a number of ARM platforms and SOCs, including Raspberry Pi, BeagleBone, OrangePi, BananaPi, OLinuXino, Cubieboard, Nokia and Motorola mobile phones, and several Chromebooks, as well as for Virtualbox/QEMU/Vagrant.

The Devuan 2.0 ASCII installer ISOs offer a variety of Desktop Environments including Xfce, KDE, MATE, Cinnamon, LXQt, with others available post-install. The expert install mode now offers a choice of either SysVinit or OpenRC as init system. In addition, there are options for "Console productivity" with hundreds of CLI and TUI utils, as well as a minimal base system ideal for servers. The minimal-live image provides a full-featured console-based system with a particular focus on accessibility.

The desktop-live images are the recommended option for people wanting to explore and easily install Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable, and also for the press and those interested in reviewing the default Xfce desktop.

The efforts of Devuan developers are now focused on the third Devuan release codenamed Beowulf (Planet nr. 38086). Preliminary installer images should be ready for testing soon.

We would like to thank the entire Devuan community for the continued support, feedback, and collaboration.

Download

Devuan 2.0 ASCII images are available for download at:

http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/  

and from the ISO mirrors listed at:

http://devuan.org/get-devuan 

The latter URL also includes information about the official Devuan package repositories.

Release Notes

Devuan 2.0 Stable Release notes include brief installation and upgrading instructions, as well information on desktop session management with the introduction of eudev and elogind, and on the new mirror network accessible through "deb.devuan.org".

The Devuan ASCII release notes are available at:

https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt

Upgrade

Direct and easy upgrade paths from Devuan Jessie, Debian Jessie, and Debian Stretch to Devuan 2.0 ASCII are available.

Upgrade from Devuan Jessie:

https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/upgrade-to-ascii

Migrate from Debian Jessie or Stretch:

https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-ascii

The following will be enough to upgrade if you are already using Devuan ASCII Beta or Devuan ASCII RC:

apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade

Devuan Derivatives

Devuan is a reliable base system chosen as a base by many derivative distributions. We are proud of the growing community of enthusiastic developers benefiting from Devuan, and would like to acknowledge some recent efforts based on Devuan ASCII:

Refracta: an installable live for home computing and rescue tasks http://sf.net/projects/refracta

MIYO: featuring an Awesome desktop https://sf.net/projects/miyolinux/

FluXuan: built around Fluxbox http://fluxuan.sourceforge.io/

Maemo Leste: for mobile phones and tablets, including Nokia N900/N950, Motorola Droid 4, Allwinner, and more https://maemo-leste.github.io/

DecodeOS: to build micro-services on anonymous network clusters over hidden Tor services https://decodeos.dyne.org/

A list with more Devuan derivatives can be found at:

https://devuan.org/os/partners/devuan-distros

Services offering Devuan

Devuan is a snappy, stable base for virtual server applications. Several providers offer ready-to-install Devuan images on their platforms, including:

Data Center Light: operated by a bunch of cool folks keen to give back to the Devuan community. They have organised Devuan hackatons and have had special offers in place on Devuan VMs https://devuanhosting.com

OpenNebula: which offers Devuan ASCII guest images off their marketplace and for free http://marketplace.opennebula.org

Contact

Appreciation

We wish to thank all of you for the incredible support given to this development effort, which continues to make Devuan a useful and reliable base distribution as well as a pleasant and cooperative community.

To support the Devuan project you can donate at:

https://devuan.org/donate (includes financial reports)

or take up one of the tasks listed at:

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1380#p1380

happy hacking ;^)

Having used the RC for a bit i can say it's solid apart from a couple quirks inherited from Debian. Didn't get an opportunity to try OpenRC yet but according to reports it works just fine out of the box so that might be interesting for people who are interested in OpenRC but don't feel like installing Gentoo.

Also tagging @angstrom for good measure.

This has been LowEnd OS news. @mksh reporting.

Thanked by 2angstrom kassle

Comments

  • @mksh said: Also tagging @angstrom for good measure.

    Ah, man, you beat me to it! :-)

    I checked literally two days ago, but it wasn't yet there!

    I'm happy for the Devuan team that they were able to make Devuan ASCII stable before Debian Stretch becomes 1 year old (on June 17th). But it was a bit close!

    "Linux will run happily with only 4 MB of RAM, including all of the bells and whistles such as the X Window System, Emacs, and so on." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 32)

  • NomadNomad Member

    Nice... Another Linux iso to seed....

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    ...

  • rm_rm_ Member

    Nomad said: Nice... Another Linux iso to seed....

    Better yet, it has a torrent with not just one, but a metric ton of ISOs in it, totaling 21 GB.

  • NomadNomad Member

    @rm_ said:

    Nomad said: Nice... Another Linux iso to seed....

    Better yet, it has a torrent with not just one, but a metric ton of ISOs in it, totaling 21 GB.

    Already seeding ^_^
    Why do we have seed boxes if we were not seed Linux ISOs?

    ...
    ...

  • kasslekassle Member

    ah ... finally stable

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    Nice. My experience with the now "old" Devuan were good and pleasant and I'm looking forward to upgrade to the new version once a couple of weeks have passed by without any earthquakes.

    The problem with democracy is that by definition > 85% of the voters are not particularly intelligent.

  • mkshmksh Member

    @angstrom said:
    I checked literally two days ago, but it wasn't yet there!

    Ouch, now that's some seriously unfortunate timing. ISOs actually already appeared yesterday. I was just waiting for the official announcement so i had something to copy/paste.

  • DistroWatch has just reviewed Devuan ASCII, concluding:

    In short, I think Devuan has some rough edges and setting it up was an unusually long and complex experience by Linux standards. I certainly wouldn't recommend Devuan to newcomers. However, a day or two into the experience, Devuan's stability and performance made it a worthwhile journey. I think Devuan may be a good alternative to people who like running Debian or other conservative distributions such as Slackware.

    Indeed, probably not the best choice for newcomers, just like neither Debian nor Slackware is the best choice for newcomers.

    The reviewer finds it unusual that the default email client is Mutt and not Thunderbird (as least on Xfce as the desktop), which I agree is unusual. (Naturally, Thunderbird can be installed by the user, if desired.)

    Thanked by 1mksh

    "Linux will run happily with only 4 MB of RAM, including all of the bells and whistles such as the X Window System, Emacs, and so on." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 32)

  • mkshmksh Member

    @angstrom said:
    DistroWatch has just reviewed Devuan ASCII, concluding:

    In short, I think Devuan has some rough edges and setting it up was an unusually long and complex experience by Linux standards. I certainly wouldn't recommend Devuan to newcomers. However, a day or two into the experience, Devuan's stability and performance made it a worthwhile journey. I think Devuan may be a good alternative to people who like running Debian or other conservative distributions such as Slackware.

    Indeed, probably not the best choice for newcomers, just like neither Debian nor Slackware is the best choice for newcomers.

    The reviewer finds it unusual that the default email client is Mutt and not Thunderbird (as least on Xfce as the desktop), which I agree is unusual. (Naturally, Thunderbird can be installed by the user, if desired.)

    Yeah, not sure what's up with that. I am all for replacing Thunderbird with something less bloated (how about Sylpheed?) but a text client?? On the other had i've read people whos major positive impression seems to be having mutt on the install CD. Oh well, to each their own i guess.

    Thanks for the heads up btw. I love reading Distrowatch reviews.

    Thanked by 1angstrom
  • @mksh said: I am all for replacing Thunderbird with something less bloated (how about Sylpheed?) but a text client?? On the other had i've read people whos major positive impression seems to be having mutt on the install CD. Oh well, to each their own i guess.

    If we recall that the creators of Devuan are the "Veteran Unix Admins", the choice of Mutt may not be so surprising. :-)

    And Thunderbird, despite its virtues, is certainly heavy.

    I use Sylpheed for one of my accounts -- it's nice. But you may be the first person that I've encountered who's actually heard of it -- people give me a puzzled and strange look if I say that I use Sylpheed. :-D

    Anyway, I think that for the Veteran Unix Admins, it should be a console email client -- no graphical one will do. :-)

    I still have to try out Devuan ASCII but probably won't have the time before July.

    "Linux will run happily with only 4 MB of RAM, including all of the bells and whistles such as the X Window System, Emacs, and so on." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 32)

  • mkshmksh Member

    @angstrom said:
    I use Sylpheed for one of my accounts -- it's nice. But you may be the first person that I've encountered who's actually heard of it -- people give me a puzzled and strange look if I say that I use Sylpheed. :-D

    Yeah, i know look quite well. I think it's strange that Sylpheed doesn't have more of a following. Imo it's impressively lightweight considering how feature rich it is.

    Anyway, I think that for the Veteran Unix Admins, it should be a console email client -- no graphical one will do. :-)

    Haha true. Still they could have made an exception to spare desktop users that WTF moment and that says a guy whos "graphical" taskmanager is nothing but a nicely colored xterm with htop running inside (same for alsamixer as "volume control" and suid'd iftop for network stats).

    I still have to try out Devuan ASCII but probably won't have the time before July.

    I am still running it on my laptop and tbh you wouldn't be able to tell the difference from Jessie aside from a couple increased version numbers (which to me is a good thing). I also upgraded a couple of servers with no major (the way initramfs handles remote unlocking changed a bit and i had to adapt my scripts but oh well...) surprises either. Really feels like good old Debian :)

    Thanked by 1angstrom
  • rm_rm_ Member

    angstrom said: And Thunderbird

    Also known as what people use before learning about Claws-mail.

    Thanked by 1mksh
  • @mksh said: Anyway, I think that for the Veteran Unix Admins, it should be a console email client -- no graphical one will do. :-)

    Haha true. Still they could have made an exception to spare desktop users that WTF moment

    I used to use Mutt a good decade ago. I liked it for its speed and efficiency, but I remember that if I had to configure it for anything, I had to take a serious, long look at all of the many configuration settings in the manual. Definitely wasn't so easy in this respect. (I remember having problems with utf8-encoded emails, which didn't display correctly, but at least part of the problem was the outdated Red Hat system that I was on, which I didn't have any control over.)

    If I were to try out Mutt again, I'd probably go for NeoMutt ( https://neomutt.org/ ), which, however, isn't yet in Debian/Devuan stable (but it is in Ubuntu 18.04).

    Thanked by 1mksh

    "Linux will run happily with only 4 MB of RAM, including all of the bells and whistles such as the X Window System, Emacs, and so on." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 32)

  • mkshmksh Member
    edited June 2018

    @rm_ said:

    angstrom said: And Thunderbird

    Also known as what people use before learning about Claws-mail.

    Exactly. Afaik Sylpheed is also just a fork of Claws.

  • @mksh said:

    @rm_ said:

    angstrom said: And Thunderbird

    Also known as what people use before learning about Claws-mail.

    Exactly. Afaik Sylpheed is also just a fork of Claws.

    It's the other way around: Claws Mail is a fork of Sylpheed, for those who want a Sylpheed with more features. :-)

    I've also used Claws Mail before, but I prefer the lack of extra features of Sylpheed. :-)

    Thanked by 1mksh

    "Linux will run happily with only 4 MB of RAM, including all of the bells and whistles such as the X Window System, Emacs, and so on." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 32)

  • mkshmksh Member

    @angstrom said:

    @mksh said:

    @rm_ said:

    angstrom said: And Thunderbird

    Also known as what people use before learning about Claws-mail.

    Exactly. Afaik Sylpheed is also just a fork of Claws.

    It's the other way around: Claws Mail is a fork of Sylpheed, for those who want a Sylpheed with more features. :-)

    I've also used Claws Mail before, but I prefer the lack of extra features of Sylpheed. :-)

    Oh, wow. Interesting. I've always thought Sylpheed would be the fork with more features. I have looked at Claws Mail only briefly and can't remember what was the reason i didn't stick with it. What would anyone want that Sylpheed doesn't do?

  • @mksh said:

    @angstrom said:

    @mksh said:

    @rm_ said:

    angstrom said: And Thunderbird

    Also known as what people use before learning about Claws-mail.

    Exactly. Afaik Sylpheed is also just a fork of Claws.

    It's the other way around: Claws Mail is a fork of Sylpheed, for those who want a Sylpheed with more features. :-)

    I've also used Claws Mail before, but I prefer the lack of extra features of Sylpheed. :-)

    Oh, wow. Interesting. I've always thought Sylpheed would be the fork with more features. I have looked at Claws Mail only briefly and can't remember what was the reason i didn't stick with it. What would anyone want that Sylpheed doesn't do?

    I believe that it started out as the holy question whether to allow for HTML in email: the people behind Sylpheed said no, and so some users decided to fork Sylpheed to make a version (= Claws Mail) that allowed for HTML in email. Since then, there have been a lot of plugins developed for Claws Mail.

    For newcomers, Claws Mail is probably to be recommended over Sylpheed, but I personally prefer the bare bones of Sylpheed.

    "Linux will run happily with only 4 MB of RAM, including all of the bells and whistles such as the X Window System, Emacs, and so on." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 32)

  • mkshmksh Member

    @angstrom said:

    @mksh said:

    @angstrom said:

    @mksh said:

    @rm_ said:

    angstrom said: And Thunderbird

    Also known as what people use before learning about Claws-mail.

    Exactly. Afaik Sylpheed is also just a fork of Claws.

    It's the other way around: Claws Mail is a fork of Sylpheed, for those who want a Sylpheed with more features. :-)

    I've also used Claws Mail before, but I prefer the lack of extra features of Sylpheed. :-)

    Oh, wow. Interesting. I've always thought Sylpheed would be the fork with more features. I have looked at Claws Mail only briefly and can't remember what was the reason i didn't stick with it. What would anyone want that Sylpheed doesn't do?

    I believe that it started out as the holy question whether to allow for HTML in email: the people behind Sylpheed said no, and so some users decided to fork Sylpheed to make a version (= Claws Mail) that allowed for HTML in email. Since then, there have been a lot of plugins developed for Claws Mail.

    I vaguely remember an option in Sylpheed to allow HTML rendering too but i guess it's something very basic vs. a more fully featured renderer in Claws Mail then. I obviously have it turned off anyways. HTML in emails... OMG what's next? Top quoting? Seriously, there needs to be a line drawn somewhere ;)

  • @mksh said: I vaguely remember an option in Sylpheed to allow HTML rendering too but i guess it's something very basic vs. a more fully featured renderer in Claws Mail then. I obviously have it turned off anyways. HTML in emails... OMG what's next? Top quoting? Seriously, there needs to be a line drawn somewhere ;)

    Sylpheed extracts and displays the text from a HTML email, but it does little more than this. In addition, you can't compose a HTML email in Sylpheed, but who would want to compose a HTML email anyway? ;-)

    "Linux will run happily with only 4 MB of RAM, including all of the bells and whistles such as the X Window System, Emacs, and so on." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 32)

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator

    mksh said: Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!

    That's kinda obnoxious. Do we need to bow in response?

    BTW, when they say "ASCII" does that mean...

    • They're using the word as an shorthand for "text-oriented", or
    • They really did time warp back to 1963 and don't support UTF-8, etc.?

    Proudly naming anything ASCII in 2018 seems...strange to me. It's like being proud you're OS is 16-bit or something.

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  • @raindog308 said:

    mksh said: Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!

    That's kinda obnoxious. Do we need to bow in response?

    BTW, when they say "ASCII" does that mean...

    • They're using the word as an shorthand for "text-oriented", or
    • They really did time warp back to 1963 and don't support UTF-8, etc.?

    Proudly naming anything ASCII in 2018 seems...strange to me. It's like being proud you're OS is 16-bit or something.

    It's named after a minor planet:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3568_ASCII

    Thanked by 2mksh raindog308

    "Linux will run happily with only 4 MB of RAM, including all of the bells and whistles such as the X Window System, Emacs, and so on." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 32)

  • @angstrom said:

    @raindog308 said:

    mksh said: Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!

    That's kinda obnoxious. Do we need to bow in response?

    BTW, when they say "ASCII" does that mean...

    • They're using the word as an shorthand for "text-oriented", or
    • They really did time warp back to 1963 and don't support UTF-8, etc.?

    Proudly naming anything ASCII in 2018 seems...strange to me. It's like being proud you're OS is 16-bit or something.

    It's named after a minor planet:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3568_ASCII

    Which was in turn named after the character code.

    "Linux will run happily with only 4 MB of RAM, including all of the bells and whistles such as the X Window System, Emacs, and so on." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 32)

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator

    angstrom said: Which was in turn named after the character code.

    Or apparently named after a Japanese magazine which was named after a character code.

    https://www.minorplanetcenter.net/db_search/show_object?object_id=3568

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  • @raindog308 said:

    angstrom said: Which was in turn named after the character code.

    Or apparently named after a Japanese magazine which was named after a character code.

    https://www.minorplanetcenter.net/db_search/show_object?object_id=3568

    Not a bad name for a Japanese magazine. :-)

    "Linux will run happily with only 4 MB of RAM, including all of the bells and whistles such as the X Window System, Emacs, and so on." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 32)

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    Happy claws user since many years and before that Sylpheed. I very much dislike HTML mail but sometimes it's just practical or even needed (in receiving). I also like the PGP integration.

    The problem with democracy is that by definition > 85% of the voters are not particularly intelligent.

  • mkshmksh Member

    @raindog308 said:

    mksh said: Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!

    That's kinda obnoxious. Do we need to bow in response?

    Well, it's their slogan. Not exactly super professional but oh well, Afaik it goes back to some inside joke. Besides i'll let them have a bit of an ego trip any day for actually doing something about the ongoing windowization (not only poetterization even if he is responsible for large parts of it) of Linux.

  • @raindog308 said: mksh said: Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!

    That's kinda obnoxious. Do we need to bow in response?

    I think that the English verb salute can be still be used as a rather archaic and formulaic substitute for the verb greet, with no bowing. A bit pretentious, yes, but then so is the mantra "The end is nigh".

    (The French verb saluer is the everyday verb for 'greet'.)

    "Linux will run happily with only 4 MB of RAM, including all of the bells and whistles such as the X Window System, Emacs, and so on." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 32)

  • wilbowilbo Member

    Sylpheed sounds like something you would need a shot of penicillin to uninstall.

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  • @wilbo said:
    Sylpheed sounds like something you would need a shot of penicillin to uninstall.

    When I tell people how great Sylpheed is, they think that I'm telling them how great seaweed is.

    "Linux will run happily with only 4 MB of RAM, including all of the bells and whistles such as the X Window System, Emacs, and so on." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 32)

  • mkshmksh Member

    @angstrom said:

    @wilbo said:
    Sylpheed sounds like something you would need a shot of penicillin to uninstall.

    When I tell people how great Sylpheed is, they think that I'm telling them how great seaweed is.

    Tell them it's way better than seaweed. I had the questionable experience once when i was invited to some fancy restaurant. What can i say? They should have just used some boring salad...

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