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RamNode? BuyVM? Want VDS with good CPU

Hi all,

Have been trying to figure how a new host for some months now (yes, months, I've been with NetDepot for ten years so I don't take moving lightly) and have been trying to do my due diligence/research on what to do next. Keep on landing on LET when I do various searches so I've eventually had the bright idea of just asking here to solve my conundrum!

Currently I have a dedicated server with NetDepot, got it (as mentioned) almost ten years ago, opted for all the "buydown" options I could when we ordered and it's served us well and we've had a dedi for $104 a month after the initial painful setup free. Issue is though the chassis is moderately new the drives and the OS are ten years old. Time for a change... and to virtualise. Ten year old OS, how embarassing! (c;

Due to some old Perl scripts running on the box we need something with good CPU power, currently we're running a load somewhere between 1.3 and 1.8 (server has E5620 @ 2.40GHz if that matters).

To get to the point... I've been toying up between a few providers, mainly those mentioned in the topic of the subject -- RamNode and BuyVM. Both seem to be well regarded here and that's one of the main reasons they're on the shortlist.

Due to the aforementioned processor requirements I'm looking at the RamNode VDS and the BuyVM Slice. RamNode always seems to be score well in the processor rankings but BuyVM I've got some hesitation with. I've seen some benchmarks here and on vpsbenchmarks.com that clearly give the lead to RamNode. Generally these are sysbench benchmarks, if I should be putting much stock in them.

Would initially be looking at RamNode 8GB SVDS or BuyVM SLICE 8192... unless someone has a cunning alternative. I want a reliable host but will self-manage the server. Obviously I'm aiming for long tenure wherever I move.

I was leaning toward RamNode, even went as far as trying to order one, but they're always out of stock in NY and their prices have just gone up 25%. BuyVM I like not just because of the price but because of how many upgrade plans there are.

Any suggestions, LET gurus? Is RamNode's CPU that much faster?

Requirements:

VZ: Any but want dedicated cores.

Cores: Whatever can cope with my load, but I'd guess 2 cores. RAM: 4GB+ Disk: 150GB+ SSD

DDoS: Not required

IPs: 2 would be good but can survive with 1.

Location: US somewhere. I'm in Australia but I realise I probably need to be more concerned about the bulk of the visitors which are in the US and Europe.

Budget: Below my $104 dedi. Preferably well below.

Thanks heaps in advance.

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  • teamaccteamacc Moderator

    @francisco for buyvm.net

    Yo mama so fat each of her butt-cheeks has its own /8.

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  • TionTion Member

    If RamNode and BuyVM are the companies on the table I would choose RamNode the only reason being BuyVM had a few problems in the past including an entire SSD raid dying while I haven't heard anything from RamNode in years.

    Some people get wet, others feel the rain.

  • HarambeHarambe Member

    They both use E3s - for the VDS lineup at Ramnode, and the slice lineup at BuyVM. Performance should be fairly similar in terms of hardware.

    Test the networks, play around a bit. You're in good hands either way.

    Professional Shoeminer

  • donlidonli Member

    @jase72 said:

    I want a reliable host

    How reliable?

    99.9, 99.95, 99.99? What does downtime cost you?

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider
    edited April 13

    Tion said: the only reason being BuyVM had a few problems in the past including an entire SSD raid dying

    Fair, but our backups worked quite well and we'll be giving free backups on slices soon :) For now we've only done them on OVZ but adding KVM support will be quick once i add user controlled on/off switches.

    Slices are excellent with toppings a added bonus if you ever think you'll need more storage.

    Francisco

    BuyVM - Dedicated KVM Slices / Anycast Support! / Stallion Control Panel / Windows 2008, 2012, & 2016! / Unmetered Bandwidth!
    BuyShared - Shared & Reseller Hosting / cPanel + Softaculous + CloudLinux / Pure SSD! / Free Dedicated IP Address
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  • nullnotherenullnothere Member
    edited April 13

    Since your budget what you currently pay is way over the pricing of both RamNode and BuyVM, why not get one instance with each of them for a month to test out how it works for you/your audience and then decide how to move forward.

    Alternatively, you could even have a fail over stack with two of them and have one as a master and periodically sync to the slave and flip in case of any issues.

    A month or two of experimentation will help you figure out your own comfort zone and you can take it from there.

    You really can't go wrong with either of them as has already been pointed out earlier, but BuyVM does have plenty of room to upgrade as well as offloaded MySQL support (should you need it) and plenty more coming (along with Anycast and what not).

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Administrator, Top Provider
    edited April 13

    To be honest, between the 2 you wont be sad either way, its almost like asking someone which family member they love most :)

    I believe either will show a huge improvement for your stack performance wise considering what you are coming from.

    In your particular case though i would say go with a BuyVM Slice.

    The reasoning is that Ramnode don't really have much regular representation here any more, BuyVM is very much in touch with the market and the owner ( @Francisco ) posts here and helps people here out a lot which gives him the edge in terms of who you are dealing with.

    Aside from that BuyVM use faster storage than Ramnode iirc and they have anycast options which gives you great scope for expansion in the future to make sure your EU and USA customers get the lowest latency and fastest load times possible.

    So its a bit like comparing a 9.9 against 10 from a distance there is nothing in it, but up close for what you need, i would say BuyVM is your best bet.

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  • jase72jase72 Member

    Thanks for the responses so quickly, greatly appreciated.

    Sounds like there's no concern from the processor perspective, I think I'll have to give BuyVM a go.

    If only they had stock. (c;

  • MrMMrM Member

    buyvm.net Good,

  • HxxxHxxx Member

    Alternatives,

    DigitalOcean, Linode , Vultr

    Can't go wrong with any of these.

    BuyVM is up there with my favs providers. I love their panel, sense of humor and creativity with their services. Slices are good.

  • FHRFHR Member, Provider

    Hxxx said: DigitalOcean, Linode , Vultr

    He said he wants a good CPU.

    Affordable Semi-Dedicated VPS - Enjoy the performance to the fullest extent. | 40% OFF promo

  • GamerGamer Member

    Anyone else seeing discounted prices when ordering slices from buyvm? I'm seeing like a 40% discount off slices?

  • donlidonli Member
    edited April 13

    @Gamer said: Anyone else seeing discounted prices when ordering slices from buyvm? I'm seeing like a 40% discount off slices?

    You see a sliced slice price? Are you sure it's not because we're in the middle of the month and they are charging you for a partial month?

  • GamerGamer Member
    edited April 13

    @donli said:

    @Gamer said: Anyone else seeing discounted prices when ordering slices from buyvm? I'm seeing like a 40% discount off slices?

    You see a sliced slice price? Are you sure it's not because we're in the middle of the month and they are charging you for a partial month?

    Ahh... Indeed, this seems to be the case. Thanks

  • Side note both are great but why not a Kimsufi?

    Yoked or Yolked? You decide.

  • @YokedEgg said: Side note both are great but why not a Kimsufi?

    He needs a good cpu. Also he wants good support for his slice. Ovh cloud might be a better option.

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  • jvnadrjvnadr Member
    edited April 13

    AnthonySmith said: its almost like asking someone which family member they love most

    I know some of my friends that could answer to this question ;)

    To answer to OP now, both providers are really good. If I had to chose between them, I would chose Fransisco's BuyVM because he is not only very active to LET, but by his activity is willing to help people that faces problems or have questions, regardless if they are his clients or not. And he has a very good and quick support on site or even here (on the other hand, I had services with ramnode until a couple of weeks and never had to open a ticket for an issue with them).

    Now, if you want some more options, you can either try Netcup's root servers (vps with dedicated cpus), or try the new hetzner cloud line (I am really impressed with the speed and solidness of their servers, I grabbed a couple of them a month ago and their performance is top-notch).

    P.S.: have you thought trying @AnthonySmith 's vms? he is one of the most respective providers I have used with excellent services, and a pretty good support, too! IDK if he is currently have any services that fit your needs, but do have a look at his website, too!

    • If a program actually fits in memory and has enough disk space, it is guaranteed to crash.
    • If such a program has not crashed yet, it is waiting for a critical moment before it crashes.

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Administrator, Top Provider

    jvnadr said: P.S.: have you thought trying @AnthonySmith 's vms? he is one of the most respective providers I have used with excellent services, and a pretty good support, too! IDK if he is currently have any services that fit your needs, but do have a look at his website, too!

    Appreciated, I don't offer dedicated cores (yet) though.

  • hiphiphip0hiphiphip0 Member
    edited April 13

    @Francisco said:

    Tion said: the only reason being BuyVM had a few problems in the past including an entire SSD raid dying

    Fair, but our backups worked quite well and we'll be giving free backups on slices soon :) For now we've only done them on OVZ but adding KVM support will be quick once i add user controlled on/off switches.

    Slices are excellent with toppings a added bonus if you ever think you'll need more storage.

    Francisco

    That's great. Could you please add some tutorials about how to expand disk after upgrade slice plans? Both Windows and Linux.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

    @hiphiphip0 said:

    @Francisco said:

    Tion said: the only reason being BuyVM had a few problems in the past including an entire SSD raid dying

    Fair, but our backups worked quite well and we'll be giving free backups on slices soon :) For now we've only done them on OVZ but adding KVM support will be quick once i add user controlled on/off switches.

    Slices are excellent with toppings a added bonus if you ever think you'll need more storage.

    Francisco

    That's great. Could you please add some tutorials about how to expand disk after upgrade slice plans? Both Windows and Linux.

    Sure I can look into that :) we almost always grow drives for clients automagically anyway.

    Francisco

    BuyVM - Dedicated KVM Slices / Anycast Support! / Stallion Control Panel / Windows 2008, 2012, & 2016! / Unmetered Bandwidth!
    BuyShared - Shared & Reseller Hosting / cPanel + Softaculous + CloudLinux / Pure SSD! / Free Dedicated IP Address
  • jvnadrjvnadr Member

    AnthonySmith said: Appreciated, I don't offer dedicated cores (yet) though.

    Well, for some reason I thought that you offer dedicated cores! As i understand, you are on the route to add this to your product line?

    • If a program actually fits in memory and has enough disk space, it is guaranteed to crash.
    • If such a program has not crashed yet, it is waiting for a critical moment before it crashes.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Administrator, Top Provider

    jvnadr said: As i understand, you are on the route to add this to your product line?

    Yes by the end of the year.

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  • among these two, I will go with BuyVM any day, because of the support Francisco provides. Really love the guy.

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  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

    @Junkless said: among these two, I will go with BuyVM any day, because of the support Francisco provides. Really love the guy.

    Thanks Bae.

    Francisco

    BuyVM - Dedicated KVM Slices / Anycast Support! / Stallion Control Panel / Windows 2008, 2012, & 2016! / Unmetered Bandwidth!
    BuyShared - Shared & Reseller Hosting / cPanel + Softaculous + CloudLinux / Pure SSD! / Free Dedicated IP Address
  • NdhaNdha Member

    BuyVM all the way..
    Eh i just realize Ramnode price for vds now become $50..

  • HarambeHarambe Member

    @Ndha said:

    Eh i just realize Ramnode price for vds now become $50..

    Oh, yeah, they got rid of the $20/4GB option. Welp, BuyVM was already cheaper and now it's way cheaper.

    Professional Shoeminer

  • NdhaNdha Member

    @Harambe said:

    @Ndha said:

    Eh i just realize Ramnode price for vds now become $50..

    Oh, yeah, they got rid of the $20/4GB option. Welp, BuyVM was already cheaper and now it's way cheaper.

    It's $40 before, maybe because Supply and Demand,
    lot of request from users and they usually OOS for VDS,
    so Nick decide to up it little bit and got more revenue,
    just my silly 2 cent :3

  • HarambeHarambe Member

    Ndha said: It's $40 before, maybe because Supply and Demand,

    $40 previously for the 8GB, I was talking about the $20 4GB option that's gone but was there before: https://web.archive.org/web/20180122015143/http://ramnode.com/vds.php

    Professional Shoeminer

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  • kkrajkkkrajk Member

    @francisco just wondering whether the dedicated cores are physical cores or vcores

  • FHRFHR Member, Provider

    @kkrajk said: @francisco just wondering whether the dedicated cores are physical cores or vcores

    Dedicated threads

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  • jvnadrjvnadr Member
    edited April 14

    Harambe said: Oh, yeah, they got rid of the $20/4GB option. Welp, BuyVM was already cheaper and now it's way cheaper.

    With those prices, Ramnode is expensive option... If I assume that the E3 @ 3,3GHz is something like 1230v2 or v3 (they don't specify what is the processor on the dedi core plan, just that it's an E3 with this speed), the servers are not brand new neither extremely expensive, so, 7 threads x 25$ each (let's keep one thread for server's usage) is 175$, way more than the average cost of renting such kind of server. And, as their hardware and network gear is not rented but they own it, then, the profit margin is huge - not to mention that the servers should already have depreciate their value...
    Of course, there is a cost for top-notch support and first grade traffic, but nowadays most of the companies do lowering their prices due to minimizing their costs...

    • If a program actually fits in memory and has enough disk space, it is guaranteed to crash.
    • If such a program has not crashed yet, it is waiting for a critical moment before it crashes.

  • nfnnfn Member

    What does 1/4 and 1/2 core means for buyvm?

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  • dev_vpsdev_vps Member
    edited April 14

    @nfn said: What does 1/4 and 1/2 core means for buyvm?

    I believe, 1/4 probably means one thread (aka core in marketing) is shared by 4 virtual servers. That’s why it lists FAIR USE in the description.

    @Francisco at BuyVM can confirm this.

    Personally, I would prefer 1 dedicated core (2 threads) for any usage that needs good CPU utilization.

  • HxxxHxxx Member
    edited April 14

    Good CPU? , ok get a High CPU Droplet at Digital Ocean.

  • HxxxHxxx Member
    edited April 14
  • With your budget, What about a 40-50 Euro/mo KabyLake E3 dedi (SSD) at Clouvider(LON) or Hetzner(GER) ? (32GB-64GB ram too)

    Load up Proxmox 5.1 and you can virtualise to your hearts content.

  • I believe, 1/4 probably means one thread (aka core in marketing)

    I can't speak for Francesco -- but a thread and a core are not the same at all. A core is a dedicated compute resource, whereas a thread (or hyperthreading) is a shared execution pipeline. The nuance here is that many providers DO actually sell "dedicated threads" and not "dedicated cores". The difference means that you can possibly have non-deterministic performance if there is high CPU contention by other users of the host.

    Personally, I would prefer 1 dedicated core (2 threads) for any usage that needs good CPU utilization.

    I have yet to see a provider (atleast a low end provider) who sells actual dedicated phyiscal cores. I would not assume a dedicated core is 2 threads unless it is explicitly mentioned.

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  • erkinerkin Member

    @Francisco 's BuyVM is OK and also I might have suggested you drServer.net 's abusivecores if they were not out of stock.

    0% chance of trolling in posts.

  • jetchiragjetchirag Member
    edited April 14

    Abusivecore is quite an unconventional name. To this day I used to believe dedicated community cores can be abused but never heard they abuse too.

    Edit: I just made this: 'abuse cores not people'

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  • sureiamsureiam Member
    edited April 14

    I'll say this about Vultr.. Snapshots are freaking awesome! stability of their cheapest node though could use some work. A much more affordable host actually has given me much better stability. Although scripting backups is kind of annoying and really only reason I would consider working with Vultr

  • BuyVM for all the reasons others have noted.

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  • Just wanted to ask, have you contacted your current provider to see if they can offer anything better for you? Being a customer for 10 years surely must mean something to them and they might be able to get you something really nice.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

    @sureiam said: I'll say this about Vultr.. Snapshots are freaking awesome! stability of their cheapest node though could use some work. A much more affordable host actually has given me much better stability. Although scripting backups is kind of annoying and really only reason I would consider working with Vultr

    SOON(tm).

    Though I think to keep the GDPR hawks happy we'll have to do them as 'free (opt-in) backups'.

    Francisco

    BuyVM - Dedicated KVM Slices / Anycast Support! / Stallion Control Panel / Windows 2008, 2012, & 2016! / Unmetered Bandwidth!
    BuyShared - Shared & Reseller Hosting / cPanel + Softaculous + CloudLinux / Pure SSD! / Free Dedicated IP Address
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  • jase72jase72 Member

    The thread keeps on growing! I feel I should just thank every post. (c;

    I initially tried to order the $80 RamNode server last month but it was out of stock, but the time stock became available it was $100. I enquired about the price hike and they confirmed margins were low and demand was high. They offered it at $90 but by the time I said yes they were out of stock again!

    alberto2345 said: Just wanted to ask, have you contacted your current provider to see if they can offer anything better for you? Being a customer for 10 years surely must mean something to them and they might be able to get you something really nice.

    Glad you asked, I certainly did do that. Rodney's email pointed me to their website and a customer service rep offered a server @ $259.99 a month (currently paying $104). Really disappointing responses, so much so I didn't even bother responding to either of them.

    To answer some questions regarding other hosts;

    • Kimsufi - Never heard of them, also seems to be no US location.
    • Dr.Server/AbusiveCore - Hadn't heard of them either. Only 1 thread option and not enough disk space.
    • Clouvider(LON) or Hetzner(GER) - Hadn't heard of them. Now that I have.. locations are an issue. About 2/3rds of my traffics is from US so want to keep it within the US.
    • Vultr - Was tempted until I saw their cheapest dedicated CPU VPS w/ RAID setup is $120 a month.
    • Linode - No dedicated CPU (afaict).
    • OVH - I did look at one of their servers (B2-15) but the disk was a bit low. Am tempted by their current dedicated offer for the new West Coast DC, but I think I need to be sensible and recognise I really don't need a dedicated server. Must... be... logical...
    • DO - Storage is too small. I'm sure I could add more storage (as with some others) but then we're in the pricing area where I might as well get the dedi from OVH.

    Not sure if any of that's of interest, but thought maybe someone might want to know how my process of elimination worked. OVH and DO are tempting, but I get the impression I'm paying more for features I don't really need or won't benefit from. I'll be self-managing the server so I just need a good solid host who will keep my VM running smoothly.

    Thanks again one and all.

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  • omelasomelas Member
    edited April 15

    kimsufi and soyouhost are budget brands of OVH

  • jaypeesmithjaypeesmith Member
    edited April 15

    Hosthatch has an option of 8 dedicated cores,32GB RAM, 180GB Disk for $80.

    https://hosthatch.com/ssd-vps

  • HxxxHxxx Member
    edited April 15

    I mean you can't just compare trash OVH with DO mah dude.

  • sinsin Member

    Maybe @vapornode dedicated core line? https://vapornode.com/high-cpu-vps

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  • msg7086msg7086 Member

    TBH BTW, load 1.3-1.8 on E5620 is not even close to "good CPU".

    For example, BuyVM utilizes E3 range (IIRC) on their slices, and 2 dedicate threads is pretty enough for your needs.

    Linode on the other hand, albeit not providing dedicated CPUs, does allow you to use as much CPU as you want. Linode 8GB plan gives you access to 4x E5-2697 v4 or E5-2680 v2/v3, which are fairly quick processors. Both plan should have similar CPU performance.

    Anyway, I second for BuyVM if you want more flexibility. Francisco is extremely kind and helpful, and I was mostly satisfied with their service.

    Linode is also great for their reputation and performance, however the SSD space is smaller than your requests.

    Ramnode ranks 3 for me. Had a box running there for about 3 years, and has been stable as fvvk. But pricing is not ideal at this moment -- almost same price as 3 years ago I believe.

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  • Since BuyVM has been mentioned, could someone with the plan Slice 1024 (for $3.50/month) post the result of cat /proc/cpuinfo? Just curious.

    "[T]he number of UNIX installations has grown to 16, with more expected." (K. Thompson & D. M. Ritchie, UNIX Programmer's Manual, 3ed, 1973)

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