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OVH / SyS Old Hard Drives .
Hi Guys
i am unable to set a good title of the thread , It should be 'I fucked Up' i guess.
so , on 30% soYouStart sale i needed a server and decided to buy E3-SAT-3-32 that is
E3-1245v2 - 32GB - SoftRaid 2x2TB.
as the discount was one time payment , and 30% is Good discount i Paid it for FULL YEAR.
so i assumed , without setting up some preference on all 4 of my existing servers, they were automatically provisioned in GRA1 , so it should be be same DC too ,No , i got it in RBX4 , i needed it in Gra1 because i have my other 6TB arm storage server there and the speed between storage server to essential server in same dcs are very good , not limited to that 250Mbps they advertise on their website.
but more importantly i got it with both of my drives with more then 22000 Hours.
i am going to use this server for some important items , in raid 1 , what you guys think what are the chances of these drives surviving a Year without any problem with pretty hefty usage ?
here is the Smart status for both drives
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 016 Pre-fail Always - 0
2 Throughput_Performance 0x0005 137 137 054 Pre-fail Offline - 79
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0007 194 194 024 Pre-fail Always - 326 (Average 318)
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 85
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 005 Pre-fail Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 067 Pre-fail Always - 0
8 Seek_Time_Performance 0x0005 142 142 020 Pre-fail Offline - 25
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 097 097 000 Old_age Always - 22582
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 060 Pre-fail Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 76
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 702
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 702
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0002 187 187 000 Old_age Always - 32 (Min/Max 20/45)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0022 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0008 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x000a 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 016 Pre-fail Always - 0
2 Throughput_Performance 0x0005 137 137 054 Pre-fail Offline - 78
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0007 190 190 024 Pre-fail Always - 333 (Average 323)
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 85
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 005 Pre-fail Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 067 Pre-fail Always - 0
8 Seek_Time_Performance 0x0005 142 142 020 Pre-fail Offline - 25
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 097 097 000 Old_age Always - 22580
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 060 Pre-fail Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 76
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 551
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 551
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0002 187 187 000 Old_age Always - 32 (Min/Max 20/44)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0022 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0008 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x000a 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
here is the model
=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: Hitachi/HGST Ultrastar 7K4000
Device Model: HGST HUS724020ALA640
Serial Number: PN1134P5GB4UEW
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000cca 24ec5122d
Firmware Version: MF6OABY0
User Capacity: 2,000,398,934,016 bytes [2.00 TB]
Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical
Rotation Rate: 7200 rpm
Form Factor: 3.5 inches
Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is: ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4
SATA Version is: SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is: Sat Dec 23 17:27:00 2017 CET
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
Comments
Model of drives?
let me update the it in the thread too
don't be a sissy. I have multiple servers with OVH and Hetzner with power on hours between 20k and 35k - no issues even on longterm. raid1 is the way to go anyway.
for the network thing: afaik the soyoustart servers are on special switches where the ports are hard limited to 250Mbit so it won't matter if you are in the same DC, you won't see more than that.
@Falzo
i have a soyoustart server copying files to my other soyoustart ARM storage server windows share , on more then 500mbit speed sometime touching Gbit.
that's interesting! maybe they changed their policies on that after all...
Drives are fine. If you want brand new drives go with OVH brand and ask for a drive to be swapped if it's very old. All of my SYS servers have 20-30K+ hours and have never had any issues.
Two and a half years and it will continue to rock for a while
Good then. i was worried as by luck , all my existing servers have less then 3-4k hours , some i get even in few hundred hours.
22,000 hours, no errors. Aka a solid drive.
A brand new untested drive could fail tomorrow.
Your drivers cannot be considered even a little as old. They are in their... early thirties, in human age! For that price, most of providers will give you drives with 30k, 40k or even more than 50k hours on them. If there are no signs of failures and there is a raid1 or better on the setup, then, it's more than OK. I have servers with low cost providers with disks over 50k hours on them that are working fine. Monitor your system, setup raid and it will be fine.
If you want brand new disks, then, you should look at much more expensive dedicated servers...
480 SSD
INTEL SSDSC2BB480G4
480 SSD game
SAMSUNG MZ7WD480HAGM-00003
240 SSD game
SAMSUNG MZ7LM240HMHQ-00005
SAMSUNG MZ7LM240HCGR-00003
240 SSD 2017 i7-4790k not game
INTEL SSDSC2KB240G7
120 SSD 2014
Intel 730 and DC S35x0/3610/3700 Series SSDs 26823
INTEL SSDSC2BB120G4
240 SSD 2016
SAMSUNG MZ7LM240HCGR-00003
2 TB sata - all servers SATA
HGST HUS726020ALA610
480 SSD new DC 2017
INTEL SSDSC2BB480G7
NVME — smart closed
SYS line - 80% of orders - disks of 2014. because this line was launched in the end of 2013 and mass sales went from 2014
sometimes there are absolutely new disks on SYS - but probably this is just the replacement of those disks that have deteriorated over the years
I also maintain a full statistics on replacement and combustion
OVH is the most qualitative
most often corrupts the Kimsufi line, replace motherboards or power supplies
3 ~ 4 years old drives and you consider them old?
Surely, you jest. I'd rather use 5 years old drives than brand new ones.
No they're not - you just have to use nvme cli - that will expose the model just fine.
I don't see a problem with using "old drives". I'd rather use a drive that proved itself, then using a new one that could fail within a week. :-).
If the drive is stable, and passes all tests without IO errors you're fine. Any drive could fail, new or old, desktop or enterprise class - it just happens. I recently had a enterprise drive that was DOA from day 1.
Funny fact - one of our older servers we're using for internal testing/playing has 2 old Samsung 250GB drives that we picked from the shelf running in RAID-1. One of those drives has now "102248" of power-on hours. Yes you read that right; almost 12 years! of running time. Still going strong and passes all tests.
That's what I call a reliable drive! :-).
It's definitely one of our record breaking drives.
I got a Hetzner auction dedi a few years ago that had 1x of some notoriously flaky 3TB Seagate model with around 50k(?) hours and considerable SMART errors, and 1x Toshiba that was essentially new. My guess was that there had been two Seagate drives and one failed completely and was replaced with the new Toshiba, while the other was left at the edge of failing.
I opened a ticket with Hetzner and they said they don't replace drives just because they're old, only if they actually fail. I replied showing the SMART errors increasing over the few days I'd had the dedi, and they replaced that drive with another new Toshiba. Both Toshibas have been working fine for the past 2+ years (I still have the server).
Aye. And good quality one too.
It's arguably much different to receive a dead drive, that might have suffered, for example, a shock during transit vs heaving a drive die on you 2 months later.
45k+ hours reporting in. You literaly have some baby drives there OP.
Providers use used drives all the time.
As has already been mentioned, drives can fail at any time, regardless of how old they are.
Use Raid and/or backups if your data is important to you.