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Aruba Changes: DC4(FR) and DC5(DE) now at 1€

Aruba Changes: DC4(FR) and DC5(DE) now at 1€

It seems Aruba changes prices again. DC1(IT) and DC3(CZ) no longer have that 1€ price, but now DC4(FR) and DC5(DE) have it.

"The price of 1€ per month is only valid for deployments made for data center DC4/FR1 or DC5/DE1. New deployments made for data center DC1/IT1, DC2/IT2, DC3/CZ1, DC6/UK1 or DC8/PL1 will be priced at €2,79/month."

Official source: https://www.arubacloud.com/vps/virtual-private-server-range.aspx

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  • wtf this this company up to

  • Can someone that signs up for the new FR/DE boxes do a

    cat /proc/cpuinfo

  • YuraYura Member

    @mikewazar said: wtf this this company up to

  • Came across the reduced Germany and France prices yesterday when I was debating about one of WSS's servers. The very recent email from Aruba had said that IT1 and CZ1 where going to be the 1€ servers, not FR and DE.

    As I've a Online.net box in France I haven't picked up a french server, but I did grab a Germany one.

    @mikewazar said: Can someone that signs up for the new FR/DE boxes do a

    cat /proc/cpuinfo

    From a German server ...

    [email protected]:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 63 model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2650L v3 @ 1.80GHz stepping : 2 microcode : 0x36 cpu MHz : 1799.998 cache size : 30720 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 1 core id : 0 cpu cores : 1 apicid : 0 initial apicid : 0 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 15 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss syscall nx rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts nopl xtopology tsc_reliable nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movbe popcnt aes xsave avx hypervisor lahf_lm epb cqm_llc cqm_occup_llc dtherm ida arat pln pts bugs : bogomips : 3599.99 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management:

    Ping time to it is basically the same as to a VirMach server in Amsterdam; between 25-30ms. (I'm in Germany, near Hamburg. Was hoping it would be a mite closer)

    traceroute to <snip> (<snip>), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 2.624 ms 4.083 ms 4.724 ms 2 <snip>isp.superkabel.de (<snip>) 36.259 ms 36.514 ms 36.615 ms 3 ip5886c9ad.static.kabel-deutschland.de (88.134.201.173) 32.744 ms 32.319 ms 36.482 ms 4 ip5886ed78.static.kabel-deutschland.de (88.134.237.120) 556.741 ms 556.975 ms 554.766 ms 5 ip5886cb7d.static.kabel-deutschland.de (88.134.203.125) 36.938 ms ip5886ebd7.static.kabel-deutschland.de (88.134.235.215) 36.195 ms ip5886ebdf.static.kabel-deutschland.de (88.134.235.223) 36.428 ms 6 ae8-100-xcr1.hac.cw.net (195.10.62.5) 45.941 ms 34.396 ms 34.568 ms 7 hbg-b1-link.telia.net (62.115.9.133) 34.183 ms 30.477 ms 30.449 ms 8 hbg-bb4-link.telia.net (213.155.135.86) 26.824 ms hbg-bb1-link.telia.net (213.155.135.82) 57.738 ms 24.425 ms 9 ffm-bb4-link.telia.net (62.115.138.172) 32.718 ms ffm-bb3-link.telia.net (62.115.123.76) 31.143 ms ffm-bb4-link.telia.net (62.115.138.172) 32.634 ms 10 ffm-b1-link.telia.net (62.115.116.158) 38.661 ms ffm-b1-link.telia.net (62.115.121.3) 40.292 ms ffm-b1-link.telia.net (62.115.121.1) 40.648 ms 11 aruba-ic-326813-ffm-b1.c.telia.net (213.248.85.193) 54.030 ms 54.268 ms 55.158 ms 12 <snip>.static.arubacloud.de (<snip>) 49.142 ms 44.787 ms 27.770 ms

  • @tarasis do you have any speedtest (network, disk...)?

  • tarasistarasis Member
    edited December 1

    Will this do @magicvpn

    -------------------------------------------------
     nench.sh v2017.06.01 -- https://git.io/nench.sh
     benchmark timestamp:    2017-12-01 23:33:03 UTC
    -------------------------------------------------
    
    Processor:    Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2650L v3 @ 1.80GHz
    CPU cores:    1
    Frequency:    1799.998 MHz
    RAM:          988M
    Swap:
    Kernel:       Linux 4.4.0-101-generic x86_64
    
    Disks:
    sda     20G  HDD
    
    CPU: SHA256-hashing 500 MB
        4.585 seconds
    CPU: bzip2-compressing 500 MB
        7.622 seconds
    CPU: AES-encrypting 500 MB
        2.067 seconds
    
    ioping: seek rate
        min/avg/max/mdev = 53.8 us / 97.5 us / 12.4 ms / 166.2 us
    ioping: sequential read speed
        generated 25.0 k requests in 5.00 s, 6.11 GiB, 5.00 k iops, 1.22 GiB/s
    
    dd: sequential write speed
        1st run:    942.23 MiB/s
        2nd run:    1049.04 MiB/s
        3rd run:    1049.04 MiB/s
        average:    1013.44 MiB/s
    
    IPv4 speedtests
        your IPv4:    xx.xxx.xxx.xxxx
    
        Cachefly CDN:         85.77 MiB/s
        Leaseweb (NL):        80.27 MiB/s
        Softlayer DAL (US):   3.33 MiB/s
        Online.net (FR):      81.82 MiB/s
        OVH BHS (CA):         12.15 MiB/s
    
    IPv6 speedtests
        your IPv6:    xxxx:xxx:xx:xxxx
    
        Leaseweb (NL):        44.27 MiB/s
        Softlayer DAL (US):   2.81 MiB/s
        Online.net (FR):      60.34 MiB/s
        OVH BHS (CA):         7.72 MiB/s
    

    ```

  • cheaper than online.net additional ips

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  • MaouniqueMaounique Provider
    edited December 2

    Aruba 1 Eur boxes rock, hands down winning most other LE 1 GB offers priced at least 3x more.
    Sure, there are drawbacks with it, but I am not bothered as long as it is cheap and they dont do anything illegal or immoral anymore.

    Truthfully i bid thee, thee shouldst not lendeth thy ear to these lacking valor w'rds, those shouldst beest unspoken and p'rish from the tongue of true believ'rs, for they art unclean!

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  • YmpkerYmpker Member, Provider

    Must resist..

    /Signature/ https://uptime.is

  • mlimli Member

    @mikewazar said: Can someone that signs up for the new FR/DE boxes do a

    cat /proc/cpuinfo

    processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 63 model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2650 v3 @ 2.30GHz stepping : 2 microcode : 0x36 cpu MHz : 2299.998 cache size : 25600 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 1 core id : 0 cpu cores : 1 apicid : 0 initial apicid : 0 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 15 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss syscall nx rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts nopl xtopology tsc_reliable nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movbe popcnt aes xsave avx hypervisor lahf_lm ida arat epb pln pts dtherm bogomips : 4599.99 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management:

    This is from my Aruba FR VPS that I got 4 days ago when I noticed the new prices.

  • @Maounique said: Aruba 1 Eur boxes rock, hands down winning most other LE 1 GB offers priced at least 3x more.
    Sure, there are drawbacks with it, but I am not bothered as long as it is cheap and they dont do anything illegal or immoral anymore.

    I'm beginning to wonder whether the moment has come for me to try out Aruba.

    By the way, no custom ISOs, right? Do they offer any ISOs at all, or only templates?

    "[T]he number of UNIX installations has grown to 16, with more expected." (K. Thompson & D. M. Ritchie, UNIX Programmer's Manual, 3ed, 1973)

  • Only templates, they even have windows ones, but do not apply to this one.
    Custom ISO at this price, I mean, come on...
    But, seriously, try it, dont bother with support and you will be fine (once you understand how their panels work, I still dont know which is which and i never remember passwords, but they send SMS so you are good to go).

    Truthfully i bid thee, thee shouldst not lendeth thy ear to these lacking valor w'rds, those shouldst beest unspoken and p'rish from the tongue of true believ'rs, for they art unclean!

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  • geekalotgeekalot Member
    edited December 2

    Does anyone know if you can use gPXE/iPXE during boot? (so you can install whatever you want)

  • Their new control panel is way better than the older one. Aruba getting serious in VPS market.

    LTniger - Light Nigerian Citizen.

  • ArirangArirang Member
    edited December 2

    Note : They dont support rDNS on a small plan. But Qulity seems good. Sorry for confusion. They support rDNS on a small plan.

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  • mlimli Member
    edited December 2

    @Arirang said: Note : They dont support rDNS on a small plan. But Qulity seems good.

    They do on IPv4 but not on IPv6.

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  • I have an rDNS Entry on one of the 1€ Server running.

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  • Shot2Shot2 Member

    @Arirang said: Note : They dont support rDNS on a small plan. But Qulity seems good.

    They do support rDNS but only for IPv4.

    Providing less than /64 means "we are clueless about IPv6". Happy customer of HostHatch, Online, Porkbun, Veesp…

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  • So rDNS for IPv4 but not for IPv6? What would be the rationale behind this?

    "[T]he number of UNIX installations has grown to 16, with more expected." (K. Thompson & D. M. Ritchie, UNIX Programmer's Manual, 3ed, 1973)

  • rm_rm_ Member

    angstrom said: So rDNS for IPv4 but not for IPv6? What would be the rationale behind this?

    Laziness and/or incompetence.

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  • Shot2Shot2 Member
    edited December 2

    IPv6, a 20-y-old technology, is still terra incognita to many companies. A few of them have reluctantly started implementing it in recent years, and very very few have done it correctly/satisfactorily (hence your answer is: because they don't give a f*ck). Aruba isn't one of them.

    Providing less than /64 means "we are clueless about IPv6". Happy customer of HostHatch, Online, Porkbun, Veesp…

    Thanked by 3v3ng angstrom ucxo
  • lemonlemon Member

    !!!SCAM!!! Website says E5-2650L v4 but acutally it's v3 :^)

  • @mli said:

    @Arirang said: Note : They dont support rDNS on a small plan. But Qulity seems good.

    They do on IPv4 but not on IPv6.

    @Shot2 said:

    @Arirang said: Note : They dont support rDNS on a small plan. But Qulity seems good.

    They do support rDNS but only for IPv4.

    Are you sure? I have two small vpses. The control panel shows Not available about rDNS.

  • Shot2Shot2 Member
    edited December 2

    Under "Public IP" > "Details" > tab "Edit / Manage record"

    edit: fixed, was writing from memory

    Providing less than /64 means "we are clueless about IPv6". Happy customer of HostHatch, Online, Porkbun, Veesp…

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  • tarasistarasis Member
    edited December 2

    @mli said:

    `processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 63 model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2650 v3 @ 2.30GHz stepping : 2 microcode : 0x36 cpu MHz : 2299.998

    Pout! and there my German one only has 1.8GHz. My UK one is 2.4GHz

    [email protected]<snip>:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo
    processor   : 0
    vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
    cpu family  : 6
    model       : 63
    model name  : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2630 v3 @ 2.40GHz
    stepping    : 2   
    microcode   : 0x31
    cpu MHz     : 2399.998
    
  • @Shot2 said: Under "Public IP" > tab "Manage / Edit record"

    Wow. Thanks. I missed it. Apology for confusion.

  • souensouen Member

    A bit old news, the dc pricing was changed between November 24-25.

    Saw the old pricing on November 24 (GMT) at credit deposit, the locations changed on November 25 when I went to deploy.

  • @souen said: A bit old news, the dc pricing was changed between November 24-25.

    Saw the old pricing on November 24 (GMT) at credit deposit, the locations changed on November 25 when I went to deploy.

    I saw it yesterday. Nobody else posted it to inform LET community, so I thought this to be somewhat important news. Please forgive me if you feel offended because I acted way too slow, I'm just a human after all.

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  • souensouen Member
    edited December 2

    @default said: I saw it yesterday. Nobody else posted it to inform LET community, so I thought this to be somewhat important news. Please forgive me if you feel offended because I acted way too slow, I'm just a human after all.

    Relax, no offense taken. I thought the fans already knew and the change swallowed by the Cest Pit during the Thanksgiving weekend chaos. Just narrowing down the time when the change happened.

  • I am an aruba fan and had no idea, but again, I dread the moments when I have to login and do anything in there.

    Truthfully i bid thee, thee shouldst not lendeth thy ear to these lacking valor w'rds, those shouldst beest unspoken and p'rish from the tongue of true believ'rs, for they art unclean!

  • angstromangstrom Member
    edited December 3

    @Maounique said: I am an aruba fan and had no idea, but again, I dread the moments when I have to login and do anything in there.

    I'm still sitting on the fence with respect to Aruba. I've heard so much about how scary their control panel is, at the same time, €1/month is a bargain!

    "[T]he number of UNIX installations has grown to 16, with more expected." (K. Thompson & D. M. Ritchie, UNIX Programmer's Manual, 3ed, 1973)

  • @geekalot said: Does anyone know if you can use gPXE/iPXE during boot? (so you can install whatever you want)

    There's a thread from September about this:

    https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/125729/have-trouble-installing-arch-to-linux-arubacloud-vps

    The thread is rather tortuous, and the OP never followed up on whether he/she finally managed to or not.

    "[T]he number of UNIX installations has grown to 16, with more expected." (K. Thompson & D. M. Ritchie, UNIX Programmer's Manual, 3ed, 1973)

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  • FalzoFalzo Member
    edited December 3

    @angstrom said:

    @Maounique said: I am an aruba fan and had no idea, but again, I dread the moments when I have to login and do anything in there.

    I'm still sitting on the fence with respect to Aruba. I've heard so much about how scary their control panel is, at the same time, $1/month is a bargain!

    You shouldn't wait and think. Last time the german location was available for €1 it's been only for a short time.

    also the controlpanel isn't that bad, at least if you're not a total idiot. even I figured how to use it! ;-)
    it's one for billing/top-up/account management and another one for the servers which are grouped by the DC they are in. you can even switch from billing to server management without new login.

    this also shows, that they won't touch prices for existing instances which is the fear that raised again after their price changes to 2,79€ back in november - my services in UK and DE still show 1€ p.m. while the renewal date already jumped to Jan 2nd ...

    Netcup DE KVM: 1vC 1GB - 18,88€ or 2 Core 3GB 240GB - 54,88€ yearly /w 5€ off: 36nc15125155662 - 36nc15125155667
    UltraVPS.eu KVM in US/NL/DE, BLACK FRIDAY: 1GB 20€ or 2GB 40€ yearly or cheap 750G / 2TB storage offers

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  • @angstrom said:

    @geekalot said: Does anyone know if you can use gPXE/iPXE during boot? (so you can install whatever you want)

    There's a thread from September about this:

    https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/125729/have-trouble-installing-arch-to-linux-arubacloud-vps

    The thread is rather tortuous, and the OP never followed up on whether he/she finally managed to or not.

    Thanks for that @angstrom .... tortuous thread indeed. It looks like it is do-able but likely not worth the pain for me, based on the performance he/she experienced once they got it going.

    Reminds me of what I went through to get LUKS + dropbear + busybox going on a Kidéchire just for Online.net to pull the plug. :( Aruba seems to be even more unstable about how long this product offering/price will be around.

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  • FalzoFalzo Member

    geekalot said: Aruba seems to be even more unstable about how long this product offering/price will be around.

    while people said that from the very beginning, their initial 1€ UK instances yet are still recurring at that 1€ a month... after about two years now!

    Netcup DE KVM: 1vC 1GB - 18,88€ or 2 Core 3GB 240GB - 54,88€ yearly /w 5€ off: 36nc15125155662 - 36nc15125155667
    UltraVPS.eu KVM in US/NL/DE, BLACK FRIDAY: 1GB 20€ or 2GB 40€ yearly or cheap 750G / 2TB storage offers

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  • Falzo said: while people said that from the very beginning, their initial 1€ UK instances yet are still recurring at that 1€ a month... after about two years now!

    The fact DE reintroduced the 1 Eur price, means the apocalypse is not coming yet. Okay, UK is not going to see it back probably, so I will hold on to those instances no matter what, but I am considering adding up more in DE, the network is good, from what i can see,, to both romania and italy.

    Truthfully i bid thee, thee shouldst not lendeth thy ear to these lacking valor w'rds, those shouldst beest unspoken and p'rish from the tongue of true believ'rs, for they art unclean!

  • FalzoFalzo Member

    Maounique said: but I am considering adding up more in DE,

    so did I, there always room on the broom for one more instance ;-)

    Netcup DE KVM: 1vC 1GB - 18,88€ or 2 Core 3GB 240GB - 54,88€ yearly /w 5€ off: 36nc15125155662 - 36nc15125155667
    UltraVPS.eu KVM in US/NL/DE, BLACK FRIDAY: 1GB 20€ or 2GB 40€ yearly or cheap 750G / 2TB storage offers

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  • angstromangstrom Member
    edited December 3

    @geekalot said: @angstrom said:

       @geekalot said: Does anyone know if you can use gPXE/iPXE during boot? (so you can install whatever you want)
    

    There's a thread from September about this:

    https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/125729/have-trouble-installing-arch-to-linux-arubacloud-vps

    The thread is rather tortuous, and the OP never followed up on whether he/she finally managed to or not.

    Thanks for that @angstrom .... tortuous thread indeed. It looks like it is do-able but likely not worth the pain for me, based on the performance he/she experienced once they got it going.

    Yeah, based on that thread, I definitely wouldn't try. If I sign up for the €1/month plan, I will simply use one of their templates as intended.

    geekalot said: Reminds me of what I went through to get LUKS + dropbear + busybox going on a Kidéchire just for Online.net to pull the plug. :( Aruba seems to be even more unstable about how long this product offering/price will be around.

    As others have already remarked, Aruba is probably going to remain, at least for the near future. There are whispers of subsidies from the Italian government, but I don't know whether this is true.

    "[T]he number of UNIX installations has grown to 16, with more expected." (K. Thompson & D. M. Ritchie, UNIX Programmer's Manual, 3ed, 1973)

  • hahanashahanas Member
    edited December 3

    No longer available the 1.00 euro vps. I try to spent my 2 euros voucher but all DC have the price of 2.79 Euro ... What happened????

    • I have already added 2.00 euros in my credit. But service say to be paid and she want credit card or PayPal to pay ??? How can pay with only credits from my account ???
  • [Falzo said]there always room on the broom for one more instance ;-)

    +1

  • @hahanas said: No longer available the 1.00 euro vps. I try to spent my 2 euros voucher but all DC have the price of 2.79 Euro ... What happened????

    Not here, I am still seeing both France and Germany as 1€ to create a new server.

    Imgur

  • FalzoFalzo Member

    @hahanas said: No longer available the 1.00 euro vps. I try to spent my 2 euros voucher but all DC have the price of 2.79 Euro ... What happened????

    • I have already added 2.00 euros in my credit. But service say to be paid and she want credit card or PayPal to pay ??? How can pay with only credits from my account ???

    are you logged in with the correct control panel?

    it should look pretty much like this:

    showing your credits on top and allowing you to select the DC (DE1 in screenshot) and spawn a new instance via the "Create New Cloud Server" button...

    the "start now" process from their webpage will only take you to registering and topping up credit at all. that's not the order-process for the VMs itself.

    Netcup DE KVM: 1vC 1GB - 18,88€ or 2 Core 3GB 240GB - 54,88€ yearly /w 5€ off: 36nc15125155662 - 36nc15125155667
    UltraVPS.eu KVM in US/NL/DE, BLACK FRIDAY: 1GB 20€ or 2GB 40€ yearly or cheap 750G / 2TB storage offers

  • mfsmfs Member

    So many Aruba lovers... I had no idea. I've already expressed my opinion on this company in the past.

    angstrom said: There are whispers of subsidies from the Italian government, but I don't know whether this is true.

    Not "subsidies", contracts. They blended in with the public administration to a point they are part of their relevant infrastructure.

    #VAT #€€€ #adventskalender #shoeminers #dramastic #neutrality-spinning-gif

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  • It still there 2.79 euro in DC5 DE1

  • angstromangstrom Member
    edited December 3

    Well, since I would be a new customer, I requested a coupon. I made the request a couple of hours ago, but perhaps it has to be manually verified. I won't order before receiving the coupon, but perhaps the €1/month plan will be out of stock by then. We'll see.

    "[T]he number of UNIX installations has grown to 16, with more expected." (K. Thompson & D. M. Ritchie, UNIX Programmer's Manual, 3ed, 1973)

  • mfsmfs Member
    edited December 3

    @hahanas

    I've addressed this in a different thread. The promotions generally apply to international customers only and/or people accessing an "International customer" account.

    You are not using an "International customer" account.

    EDIT: reference to the past thread (read the follow-ups too)

    #VAT #€€€ #adventskalender #shoeminers #dramastic #neutrality-spinning-gif

  • @mfs said: @hahanas

    I've addressed this in a different thread. The promotions generally apply to international customers only and/or people accessing an "International customer" account.

    You are not using an "International customer" account.

    You're certain about that? It would seem a bit unfair. Who counts as "international"? Non-Italian?

    "[T]he number of UNIX installations has grown to 16, with more expected." (K. Thompson & D. M. Ritchie, UNIX Programmer's Manual, 3ed, 1973)

  • mfsmfs Member
    edited December 3

    angstrom said: You're certain about that?

    Absolutely, see the thread referenced in the post above yours. In their homeland prices on ALL VPSes are doubled, and the 1€ promotion never existed. Same applies in different regions where they established a presence*. Check yourself on e.g. the Italian portal, and match the price tags with the same products on the International portal

    unfair

    Dumping strategy, sure it sucks for people living in their region or accessing through their homeland portal who aren't aware of it.

    Who counts as "international"? Non-Italian?

    They don't check nationality and they don't check address. As long as you use the "International Customers" portal, you could live in Arezzo for all they care and still manage to get the 1€+VAT thing. OTOH, if you live in Canada and use the "Italian Customer" portal, you won't get the promotion.

    They try to redirect to your region's portal during signup/top-up. Past that, there are no additional checks.

    *EDIT small correction: they currently seem to apply doubled prices only on the Italian portal

    #VAT #€€€ #adventskalender #shoeminers #dramastic #neutrality-spinning-gif

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  • hahanashahanas Member
    edited December 3

    The link of international control panel??? Is shit logic ...... I think to stay away from Aruba...

  • angstromangstrom Member
    edited December 3

    @mfs said: Same applies in different regions where they established a presence.

    You mean the different regions in Italy, right? For example, the French site ( https://www.arubacloud.fr/ ) and the Czech site ( https://www.forpsicloud.cz/ ) list the €1/month price, and Aruba is present both in France and in the Czech Republic.

    Anyway, not so nice towards people using the Italian site.

    Edit: I saw your edit only after posting this comment.

    "[T]he number of UNIX installations has grown to 16, with more expected." (K. Thompson & D. M. Ritchie, UNIX Programmer's Manual, 3ed, 1973)

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