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Switching from Linode - suggestions?

Switching from Linode - suggestions?

unriptrunriptr Member
edited October 2012 in Providers

I'm planning on switching from high cost Linode to a cheaper VPS. I want guaranteed resources so I'm going with an OVZ plan. What host can you recommend? I'd like at least 512MB of ram guaranteed. I don't need insane amounts of bandwidth (I'm not streaming videos), but a good amount would be nice. Disk space, again, doesn't need to be extreme, but I'd prefer server-grade HDDs. I would greatly prefer to use Debian Squeeze. What I've found is on most of the low cost VPS pages, the providers don't tell you what OS' are available. Why?

Any other things I should know about being leaving Linode to a low-cost VPS?

Thanks!

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  • DamianDamian Member
    edited October 2012

    @unriptr said: I'd like at least 512MB of ram guaranteed.

    @unriptr said: I don't need insane amounts of bandwidth (I'm not streaming videos), but a good amount would be nice.

    @unriptr said: Disk space, again, doesn't need to be extreme, but I'd prefer server-grade HDDs. I would greatly prefer to use Debian Squeeze.

    I signed up for all of this from Hostigation for $6/month. There are plenty of other hosts that offer this. Take a look at http://www.lowendbox.com/tag/openvz/ , read the comments on any hosts that look interesting.

    @unriptr said: What I've found is on most of the low cost VPS pages, the providers don't tell you what OS' are available. Why?

    Generally, everyone offers the same OS templates. And if you find a host that's not willing to add the OS templates that you want, you should request a refund and find a different host. There are some exceptions to this, like requests for esoteric distros like Gentoo or Arch.

    @unriptr said: I want guaranteed resources so I'm going with an OVZ plan.

    Get the popcorn!

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  • AsadHaiderAsadHaider Member
    edited October 2012

    @unriptr Where are you located? Where do you want the server to be?

    @miTgiB https://hostigation.com/?page=OpenVZ OVZ-512 - $6/mo

    Edit: @Damian beat me to it :P

  • Well, guaranteed resources can be on Xen and KVM, On OVZ you can have dedicated memory and disk space but can be oversold. But you will get the lowest prices on OVZ most likely.

  • ZenZen Member

    Survey providers correctly and don't just dive onto the cheapest one. Understand that you're sacrificing something (almost always support quality) for the low price, apart from that you should be happy with your move (performance upgrades mostly).

    I recommend as always some of the top guys, BuyVM, Hostigation (@miTgiB) for USA - For EU - Prometeus - EDIS.

    I work for Nodisto.

  • @unriptr said: I want guaranteed resources so I'm going with an OVZ plan.

    OVZ doesn't give you guaranteed anything.

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  • Thanks for the speedy replies, wow! I have been communicating with Tim at hostigation, and am also reviewing buyVM and catalysthost. What do you think of the other two?

    @Damian - yeah, I see there is a debate about overselling/guaranteeing resources, even with OpenVZ. I can see why there is a debate with KVM, but I don't get why the debate with OpenVZ?

    @AsadHaider - I'm located in Boston and I'd like the server somewhere in the US- I don't really mind where, though the East Coast is probably better given my location. If and when my webapp grows, I'll need to space out servers geographically, but now it's only serving 100K UVs a day.

  • gianggiang Member
    edited October 2012

    @jhadley said: OVZ doesn't give you guaranteed anything.

    Even HDD Space and BW? :(

  • @jhadley - my mistake, I thought openVZ was similar to Xen. Why do you say it doesn't guarantee disk space or ram? So what is the benefit of openVZ over KVM, since openVZ is priced higher than KVM?

  • There are providers that don't oversell ther OpenVZ nodes. I am sure from reviews BuyVM, Hostigation, CatalystHost and Myself can all handle what you are looking for.

  • OpenVZ should be lower than KVM

  • jhadleyjhadley Member
    edited October 2012

    @unriptr said: Why do you say it doesn't guarantee disk space or ram?

    Because you get a 'container', which I think is a good analogy. You basically get a quota on another system, no guarantee that that system will actually have any amount of space on it.

    @unriptr said: So what is the benefit of openVZ over KVM, since openVZ is priced higher than KVM?

    None, I'd recommend Xen or KVM. OpenVZ is almost always cheaper because it's so easy to administrate and oversell. That's not to say it's bad - quality has more to do with the provider than anything, but if you're looking for guaranteed resources, you shouldn't choose OVZ>

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  • @Zen - what sacrifice am I making vis-a-vis support quality? For instance, I've never contacted Linode for support (other than to change my CC on file), so I don't see what support quality that I'll be missing from an unmanaged LEB provider? Since it's unmanaged, they typically don't help you with anything anyway.

  • wdqwdq Member

    I'd suggest going with RamNode. They have a $7.50/month plan with 512MB of RAM, a 10GB SSD, and 1000GB of bandwidth.

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  • @unriptr said: what sacrifice am I making vis-a-vis support quality? For instance, I've never contacted Linode for support (other than to change my CC on file), so I don't see what support quality that I'll be missing from an unmanaged LEB provider? Since it's unmanaged, they typically don't help you with anything anyway.

    Read some of the threads here. There are some people who don't know how to manage a server or a business here and end up in a lot of trouble. Most offers here are fine, but you need to do research.

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  • @jhadley THANK YOU. I guess I misread some of these threads; I thought OpenVZ was preferable to KVM. Also, I mixed up the prices of KVM and OpenVZ. It was late, so I blame it on tiredness. :)

    In this case, I DEFINITELY want KVM then! What is the downside to KVM over Xen? KVM is rather new technology, correct?

    @24khost - I should have mentioned, but I want at least 2 cores. Linode states that you get "4 processor Xen instances", whatever that means? Do you have any KVM plans with at least 2 cores? I run a Tomcat server for an Apache Solr app on the same server that runs nginx, PHP-FPM and MySQL...

  • Since nobody else clarified this yet: from reading this i think you are mixing up OpenVZ and Xen/KVM pros/cons exactly. As in, every characteristic you mentioned belongs to the other. Please reread the replies in that context.

  • ZenZen Member

    @unriptr said: what sacrifice am I making vis-a-vis support quality? For instance, I've never contacted Linode for support (other than to change my CC on file), so I don't see what support quality that I'll be missing from an unmanaged LEB provider? Since it's unmanaged, they typically don't help you with anything anyway.

    If you don't need support, you wont be missing anything. But a lot of people go from Softlayer level support to BuyVM level (true unmanaged) service and complain, just make sure you're confident you won't need babysitting. If you will, a LEB provider isn't right.

    I work for Nodisto.

  • You can't go wrong with either buyvm or hostigation :)

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  • @jhadley - I hadn't considered that. The old adage, just because you went to medical school doesn't mean you know how to run a doctor's office from the business side rings true here! What do you think of BuyVM and catalysthost?

  • @unriptr said: In this case, I DEFINITELY want KVM then! What is the downside to KVM over Xen? KVM is rather new technology, correct?

    KVM gives you "full virtualisation" - you basically get a mini dedicated server. Xen (PV anyway) gives you some limitations.

    For most uses, Xen and KVM are just as good as each other.

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  • @unriptr said: What do you think of BuyVM and catalysthost?

    Haven't used them but since I've been on LET I've only ever heard one bad thing about BuyVM :)

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  • 24khost24khost Member
    edited October 2012

    @unriptr We only provide cloud based OpenVZ which would still work for you.

    But if you want KVM I suggest LoveVPS

  • @jhadley - Thanks! Now that we cleared that up, what do you think of hostigation vs BuyVM vs catalysthost.

  • @unriptr said: Now that we cleared that up, what do you think of hostigation vs BuyVM vs catalysthost.

    I like steak!

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  • @wdq said: I'd suggest going with RamNode. They have a $7.50/month plan with 512MB of RAM, a 10GB SSD, and 1000GB of bandwidth.

    Thanks for the mention!

    @unriptr How about Atlanta for your VPS location?

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  • @miTgiB said: I like steak!

    I like your marketing :P

  • @24khost said: But if you want KVM I suggest LoveVPS

    Thanks for the mention.

    LoveVPS - 2GB RAM - 25 GB RAID 10 Spring Sale from $7.00/mo - We provide KVM Virtual Servers with love!

  • @LV_Matt Always!

  • JarJar Member

    @unriptr said: what do you think of hostigation vs BuyVM vs catalysthost.

    I don't think you can make a wrong choice ;)

  • There are two kind of providers : steak lowers and those who not appreciate steaks.

    When in doubt ask your provider suggestion for a good steak! Who care of vps... :P

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  • If in US Hostigation and Secure Dragon. However, any of the, say, top 12 providers in the Q3 top as voted by the community will do just fine. Regarding of your list, any will do, based on reviews I saw from ppl I trust, even tho I do not have VPSes with all of them. M

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  • Just wanted to chime in, if you're going to be running Solr on Tomcat, KVM may be more convenient for you, since under OVZ's accounting the JavaVM preallocates a ton of memory by default. Depending on how intensively you hit your Solr index, your usage patterns might look a bit like Minecraft and other memory-hungry Java applications, and there are some good providers here with experience in Minecraft hosting (like RamNode).

    All the best in your search; you can't go wrong with any of the reputable hosts here!

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  • jcalebjcaleb Moderator
    edited October 2012

    @unriptr said: Thanks! Now that we cleared that up, what do you think of hostigation vs BuyVM vs catalysthost.

    I suggest check the Q3 poll also, and select the one where you like location and offer.

    You can also check serverbear to compare stuff

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  • @wdq, I'd suggest going with RamNode. They have a $7.50/month plan with 512MB of RAM, a 10GB SSD, and 1000GB of bandwidth.

    +1 on that. And @Serverbear has a coupon for 31% of for life.

    I've also had good experience with URPad.

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  • eastoncheastonch Member
    edited October 2012

    I know this is a biased opinion being that I'm a techie of RamNode, but still; solid hardware on every node; Nick is the most dedicated person I've worked for/with. He's never idling around, always sat infront of the dedi's in the DC. :)

    If there's anything custom you need setting up, feel free to PM me on here or pop open a sales ticket! :)

    Edit: For a company that's been "in the shadows" as it were, we ranked 4th in the Q3 providers.

  • Thanks all! This community is very passionate and wonderful; I really appreciate all the responses.

    I ended up having a nice rib eye from Costco last night. I highly recommend Costco for everything, hah, not just meat!

    An SSD would be really nice! Are they server grade SSDs at RamNode? What would you suggest for files, when I fill up the 10GB of SSD space? I don't have a terrible amount of images, but down the line I plan on adding youtube videos, and perhaps more images (I run a financial literacy website).

    @seanho - thanks a lot for mentioning that! I'll definitely go with KVM!

    Thanks!

  • unriptrunriptr Member
    edited October 2012

    What does SSD-cached mean on RamNode's site? And I assume I can use Debian Squeeze?

    @nick or @eastonch - what are the weekly backups you speak of on the site? How do they work? What do they back up? Thanks!

  • Does anyone here have a RamNode with an SSD that can share the disk IO rates they are getting, or other benchmarks? I'd like to see how it compares to my Linode.

  • If you are skilled at administering your Linode, then you will be better of using KVM.

    After a few kernel related changes and some modprobes should be able to transfer your disk image from Linode quite quickly and get it running. Just do a few test runs and it should all go smoothly

  • @unriptr said: Does anyone here have a RamNode with an SSD that can share the disk IO rates they are getting, or other benchmarks? I'd like to see how it compares to my Linode.

    RamNode is having more than 700mb/s for the dd, but I forgot about ioping :)

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  • Hi unriptr, you're welcome, I'm still learning constantly from this site, there are a lot of knowledgeable and helpful folks here!

    SSD-cached means your files are stored on HDD, but commonly-used files are copied into SSD as needed. For all practical purposes it's like getting the space of HDD with the speed of SSD.

    Check serverbear's site for tons of benchmarks. There was a "Linode sucks" thread here recently with a number of testimonials from others like you who switched from Linode to a LEB (and there are also some positive experiences with Linode!).

  • @unriptr I think we're daily backups, and they're offsite to a server in FDCServers (Rented).

    SSD-Cached is exact as @seanho said:

    SSD-cached means your files are stored on HDD, but commonly-used files are copied into SSD as needed. For all practical purposes it's like getting the space of HDD with the speed of SSD.

  • unriptrunriptr Member
    edited October 2012

    Is SSD-cached the same thing as a hybrid SSD? I read on anandtech that the performance of hybrid drives are quite bad...

    I did a benchmark on my Linode and am getting 58MB/s in IO. That's really low, no?

  • No, Hybrid ssd is basically a regular hard drive with a ssd cache. not to be run in raid 10

    ssd-cache is you have a sans hardrive bank for your main storage and use ssd drives to cache the most used peices of data.

  • @unriptr said: I highly recommend Costco for everything, hah, not just meat!

    are you the alien from the movie?

    btw, go with Avante

  • @unriptr said: Is SSD-cached the same thing as a hybrid SSD? I read on anandtech that the performance of hybrid drives are quite bad...

    I did a benchmark on my Linode and am getting 58MB/s in IO. That's really low, no?

    I consider something below 100 not great and below 80 starts to be bad, but this is my standard. For free servers, over 10 is acceptable, over 30 is good. A webserver will run acceptable for 5 mb/s if not much db access is needed. The SSD cache is a drive attached to the server on which the "hot" data is and the rest is on a big raid behind it. A VPS requires some data from the big raid which is placed on SSD while sent to the vps too. If needed next time, will be taken from the SSD directly. Since about 10-20% of the data on a vps is actually read/written frequently and reading accounts for 80% or so of the iops, using a SSD which has a great reading speed and a huge number of IOPS is a good choice to keep the hot data. Is not exactly as ram cache, however it can host much more data reducing the number of IOPS on the main raid making it possible to sync with the SSD cache at leisure, without much stress and iowait. M

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  • Just to clarify a couple things directly regarding RamNode: we no longer use FDC for backups after I installed a large backup node in our cabinet about a week ago. The backups are once per week as well. Secondly, we use multiple SSDs in our caches for redundancy and performance. The SSD-cached line is actually a combination of two RAID arrays.

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  • Me.

    SSD Caching to me is more Ideal, we save money, but get huge performance boosts in the IOPS of disk accesses. I have one VPS node we are testing this on and it has barely any IO wait compared to another VPS node that does not have it. In both cases they are using 7200 RPM drives for the hard drives, and 2nd generation Intel SSD's on the SSD Cached Node. The SSD Cached node has 200 VPS and the non SSD Cached node has 130 VPS.

    When you're talking about hybrid drives, that are drives with flash memory on them, where SSD Cacheing is using a separate SSD to cache data. Maxtor is the only vendor that I know of that did Hybrids and while the performance is on par of a 10k rpm single drive, it's not that remarkable and most users just opt for the SSD. The maxtor drive is also a consumer grade drive and nowhere near prosumer grade IMO.

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