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Is this client servable?

Is this client servable?

qtriangleqtriangle Member
edited August 2012 in Providers

A potential client approached us. He needs to send 20k email per day. If the IP gets blacklisted he would need a new one. Do you think there is any way I can use service of any of the VPS providers here?

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  • InfinityInfinity Retired Staff

    I don't think any VPS provider here would want that, that would mean a lot of new IP's and battling with the blacklist records to get the other ones un-listed.

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  • Has he checked SMTP service providers like smtp.com?

  • @qtriangle said: If the IP gets blacklisted he would need a new one.

    That is a red flag, if the IP gets blacklisted, the client needs to be terminated

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  • qtriangleqtriangle Member
    edited August 2012

    @AsadHaider said: Has he checked SMTP service providers like smtp.com?

    He is not my buddy, but my potential client. So I am not going to give him ideas, coz I would like to have business, if possible without causing any trouble.

  • No, no one here will host a spammer for you.

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  • TazTaz Disabled

    Direct him towards either cakemail or mailchimp. Save your server from getting overloaded, save your IP from getting blacklisted.

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  • Well, so long as your potential client is can-spam compliant you should be 'okay'. Ask him if he is, and if he says he is, ask for proof. But if IPs are getting blacklisted, it's a big no-no.

    Personally, I'd save the effort of dealing with the abuse reports and politely direct him somewhere else.

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  • RandyRandy Disabled

    you should really re-consider this, he might be a client, but getting your IP Blacklisted is a bad idea

  • HalfEatenPieHalfEatenPie Member
    edited August 2012

    @qtriangle said: Do you think there is any way I can use service of any of the VPS providers here?

    He's asking if any providers here are willing to rent their services out to this potential client. From what I'm seeing here, he does not own his own servers nor he rents them out to his clients.

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  • @HalfEatenPie said: He's asking if any providers here are willing to rent their services out to this potential client. From what I'm seeing here, he does not own his own servers nor he rents them out to his clients.

    I got the impression that he was going to rent a VPS from a provider on behalf of the client, and then just set the price higher for the trouble :p

  • @ElliotJ said: Personally, I'd save the effort of dealing with the abuse reports and politely direct him somewhere else.

    Any spammer should be terminated as soon as the IP is blacklisted. M

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  • @Maounique said: Any spammer should be terminated as soon as the IP is blacklisted. M

    Spammers should be shot at first sight. Don't wait for your IPs to become blacklisted.

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  • As long as you know he is a spammer :) M

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  • @Elliotj and @HalfEatenPie You are right, I am not a LEB provider, but a regular customer of LEBs. I _was _ thinking of setting up a VPS for this customer. At my first sight it looked to me like an avoidable client, so I thought should ask providers here. Thanks to all for clarification.

  • @qtriangle said: At my first sight it looked to me like an avoidable client

    indeed. i'll take that $3/month client(s) than this $30/month client spammer..

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  • I have customers with 10 IPs, And more, That have a rotating mail server, but I have never seen a IP Address be blacklisted from them type of clients.

    But the ones that approach you and generally ask for more IPs incase the first gets blacklisted is a big no, no.

  • @Jacob said: That have a rotating mail server

    Why have a rotating mail server ? You mean load balancing ? M

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  • @Maounique said: Why have a rotating mail server ?

    Because Yahoo/Hotmail/Google/AOL/Comcast all have inbound per IP rate limiting

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  • Yea, we do this too. THere is no way to avoid doing it when you have over a certain amount of users...

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  • Thanks, I learn something every day :) M

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  • AsimAsim Member

    @qtriangle said: If the IP gets blacklisted he would need a new one.

    careless client? I doubt his service/email-list is legit

  • I use Mailgun for email, they rock. It's much more scalable than worrying about this stuff yourself.

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  • JacobJacob Member
    edited August 2012

    I use smtp.com, as I had about a full straight two or three weeks of where customers was not recieving invoices, and I had a few pms on here.

    Spending the little extra for ensuring that emails are delivered is well worth it.

    I will checkout mailgun, compare them to smtp.com

    @serverbear said: I use Mailgun for email, they rock. It's much more scalable than worrying about this stuff yourself.

  • @Jacob said: Spending the little extra for ensuring that emails are delivered is well worth it.

    A client with more mail smarts than me helped out with my mail and it was adding an spf record for the mail host itself, in addition to the domain. Then I make solus relay through that host so hopefully everyone gets mail I wish them to get.

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  • Hello,

    You need to monitor this closely. If a /26 or /25 gets listed by spamhaus for some reason then there will eb any unhappy clients. It is not worth the money you earn from him.

    Of course we also have clients who do mailing for long term and have several classes but we do not get any complaints from them. The reality however is that you get a client who requires a clean range of IPs and then sends out tons of mail. You get blocked by every provider...

    Dino

  • If it is a valid mailing list, why not?

    Unfortunetely, most, if not all of the similar cases are spam-related

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  • @qtriangle: Maybe our price wasn't so bad after all?

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  • qtriangleqtriangle Member
    edited August 2012

    @Damian said: Maybe our price wasn't so bad after all?

    Agree :D

  • I am sure a few would as long as your client can provide an opt-in list + evidence to you and you can pass that on to your host, there would probably be a premium add-on for the white listing work that is probably guaranteed.

    Not all bulk mailers are spammers, the ones that cannot provide any evidence are the ones to avoid.

  • @AnthonySmith said: Not all bulk mailers are spammers

    Try saying that to the anti-spammer community and getting out alive.

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member
    edited August 2012

    @miTgiB haha well fair point all I am saying is that if someone is willing to be accountable for every email they send I don't have an issue with that or with defending it.

    With 90000 blacklists popping up every day we need a blacklist for the blacklists. they latest piece of crap list is v4bl.org try reading/ viewing their site without either laughing or getting a little bit sad, the blacklist IP's (including residential ones) that dont have a matching A record with the rDNS even if it is not a mail server then boast about how many IP's they have.

    Bonkers.

  • Not to mention those that hold you for ransom, blacklist huge providers for some infected residential machines which dont even have rDNS and demand serious money for delisting. But, spam is bad, who uses bad RBLs in their mail server, deserve the pain, there are some which are reputable, more or less, nobody can stop all spam unless they only use the server internally. M

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  • @Maounique said: nobody can stop all spam unless people stop responding to the offers

    FTFY

    Spammers would not spam if it was not profitable.

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  • PatsPats Member

    @Damian said: Maybe our price wasn't so bad after all?

    Hope your IP's don't go bad...
    and hope you haven't put in my node as they'll fire phpmail like hell causing high loads..

  • @miTgiB said: Spammers would not spam if it was not profitable.

    That is a lost battle... There are so many $%^&, we cant educate all. But you are right, if they would stop reading and answering spam, spammers will drop it. I cant believe my luck at lotteries I didnt buy a ticket at, all the inheritances and shady business proceeds that are after me, I need to improve my erectile functions and enlarge my "cup-sizes" at the same time, how i will lose weight while eating more, how i can get controlled drugs OTC from Canada, how to win American Visa Lottery I have no intention to participate in, great original gold watches for 100 $, designer handbags for half that and whatnot. M

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  • GaryGary Member

    Obviously spammers only spam because it's profitable, but it makes me wonder who the hell is buying the viagra or fake rolexes to make it profitable. Right now it costs nothing more than the cost of electricity, or a dollar a month for a VPS to spam from, so if you get one bite out of a million emails, you're in profit I guess. I don't know a million people, but I know more than one that's a moron... ;)

    It's also fairly easy to deal with spam. I use one of my domains for email, and give a specific address for each site when signing up or whatever. [email protected], [email protected] etc.

    Most spam I get is from companies who either sold my email address to spammers, or got hacked. I don't tend to get much "scattershot" email, from people who send to [email protected] [email protected], [email protected] etc, or [email protected] [email protected] etc... It's mostly sent to specific email addresses. [email protected] (not that LEB is one of the sites that got hacked/sold my address!)

    I'd imagine that if I used gmail mainly I'd get more scattershot stuff, mind you. A much bigger target so more chance of the spammers getting valid addresses by "brute forcing" in that style.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Member
    edited August 2012

    @Gary said: I'd imagine that if I used gmail mainly I'd get more scattershot stuff, mind you

    Nope, Gmail does a good job to fight spam. My yahoo gets 10 times more spam than gmail. Same ones that pass through yahoo spam filter are blocked by gmail. My own mail server does a worse job, but it is true that i used to have a couple of false positives and had to lower the treshold. M

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  • @Maounique said: My yahoo gets 10 times more spam than gmail.

    Yahoo sells access to their email "customers", if you are willing to pay to spam @yahoo, they are willing to give inbox delivery.

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  • MaouniqueMaounique Member
    edited August 2012

    @miTgiB said: Yahoo sells access to their email "customers"

    I doubt the difference comes only from that. The same spams are passing through yahoo and not gmail, so i doubt a particular spammer pays yahoo for the same garbage. But, yeah, this is new too, that yahoo is so desperate to sell the ppl's inboxes :(, they should have accepted microsoft's offer... M

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  • "If the IP gets blacklisted he would need a new one."

    LOL.

  • 20K emails + possible IP black list = obvious spammer. I don't think any provider of any size would allow that.

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  • @DomainBop said: LOL.

    Why would you revive this thread?

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  • bamnbamn Disabled

    @Gary said: Obviously spammers only spam because it's profitable, but it makes me wonder who the hell is buying the viagra or fake rolexes to make it profitable.

    I remember reading a spam from one of these snake oil software sales people that said like less than 1% of spam is successful, like somebody purchasing something. It's not bad odds considering the volume

  • NexusNexus Member
    edited December 2012

    20,000 Emails per day is something I imagine around a forum like WHT or the Warrior Forums.

    This is the biggest Vbulletin forum I've seen:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/

    Not sure how many post's per day they recieve, but I'm sure atleast 10,000 a day especially if the admin enables email on new reply/etc/etc.

    Client is either a spammer ( like others said ), or needs a dedi.

    edit: August 18th, whoever necro'd this thread, screw you, lol. (Though I forgot to look at date zzz)

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  • @Nexus said: whoever necro'd this thread, screw you, lol.

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  • Now that this is digged up anyway, if you have bulk mail you sent a large quantity per month. If you send PER DAY, then it's obvious big spam

  • @BronzeByte said: Now that this is digged up anyway, if you have bulk mail you sent a large quantity per month. If you send PER DAY, then it's obvious big spam

    Not always. One of our clients has a fairly popular site and blog, and they send about 5 million emails monthly, none of which is spam.

  • @zachfedora said: 20K emails + possible IP black list = obvious spammer. I don't think any provider of any size would allow that.

    And then this dude would probably cry and moan all day after you suspended him, calling you a fraudster, and then do a chargeback because you just negatively impacted his 'business'.

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