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kimsufi Montreal: Does anyone know when official prices for the dedis would be available?
I have a Kimsufi Montreal dedi for testing during their alpha and beta tests and nothing seems to go wrong besides occasional reboots, which I am pretty happy with. I think it was mentioned that the testing period will end probably this month or next so I am just wondering if anyone has any idea how much it would cost afterwards. If the price is about the same as how much they are charging in France, I'll definitely keep the toy.
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Same price, the entire Kimsufi line should be updated when they release, the release date was in August last time I checked.
Just my guess would be the same as the EU pricing, but I really have no idea.
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I don't think so...
They don't benefit from the same peering policies that France has.
Francisco
Maybe the signs I'm noticing aren't actually an indicator of what I'm making them to be, but I'm inclined to be of the uneducated belief that bandwidth is more affordable in the EU right now than NA. If I'm not just putting together the puzzle wrong, I'm not sure they could match their current Kimsufi price point here.
For reference the sign I'm referring most to is the high availability of systems on 1Gbps shared lines at budget prices over there where we have, at most, a few providers offering such speeds to end users at a budget cost. More than willing to be wrong on that ;)
They're about to start beta testing of their provisioning infrastructure. They've been giving away ~90 "SP Mini" servers a day and they've been going like BuyVM 128s (link in French). Apparently they'll be free until they launch at which point you can either pay or cancel.
On Twitter they said they expect to launch on the 1st of August, and (if Google Translate is translating this properly) the rates for the Beauharnois datacenter will be the same as for France. The only wrinkle I can think of is that they might be sneaky and have the VAT-exclusive prices for Canada be the same as the TVA/VAT-inclusive prices for France, or might class Kimsufi differently from the rest of their lines.
I hope the Kimsufis in Canada are the same as the French ones, the ping from here in Australia to France sucks.
Yes, they said the specs and prices will be the same as the France line of servers. Same pricing structure, same options etc.
As far as them updating the specs on the Kimsufi line i have no idea.
The specs on the Alpha servers are Atom 425's, 4GB of ram and 2TB disk, Perhaps that is what the new kimsufi "2g" will be? though they said they are dismantling these soon.
The only thing that bothers me is they imported all the parts and gear from France, Even things like memory. You would think by building something out in one part of the world you would try to support local companies.
The money they save on electricity probably offsets this quite a bit. Plus they built their own network within the USA so that is sure to help.
Electricity in some parts of Quebec is freaking dirt cheap and the building they purchased was an old aluminum factory which already had a huge power infrastructure in place.
Love them or Hate them they do come up with some smart ideas.
My only hate for them is how they handle abuse :P I had 2 boxes at kimsufi and they were great.
Francisco
I might try snagging one of those free servers, but it seems that they vanish within minutes of the launch.
By the way, they have a pingtest IP. ping.ovh.ca. As it turns out, my Toronto-based Yesup dedi is 20ms better than them. Pretty unimpressive, considering how small Yesup's operation is and the scale OVH works at.
Edit: Ping results.
They are not done with the network. That is why the Alpha just ended and Beta just started. a Beta is not a finished product.
They have a ton of peers and crap still on the way and not hooked up yet.
Yes, and still, it shouldn't impact latency so much.
They said that the Montreal prices would be pretty much the same as there EU prices.
They either null route all your IPs, or ignore the abuse request altogether.
Daniel.
I think power is not THAT much cheaper in Canada than it is in France at large commits. The cheapest places i know for industrial power are: China (PRC) - Free, only line costs Iceland - 1cent (EUR) per KWh, depending on exchange rate sometimes 0,00X EUR
On this post, Octave Klaba - the OVH founder and director - describes the network status. This is the weak link at the moment. Octave write that is "just something for the alpha and beta tests" . They now have two 80 Gbps lines to Cologix 3 in Montreal, and a single 60 Gbps in Montreal towards New York, Toronto and London. They are working to bring up the "real" network in august and september. First a 1Tb line to New York (trough Albany), then a second line in september. They also plan a line to Chicago, but they haven't found a suitable cable operator yet.
When do they put out more servers for the beta? I read it was daily, but that's not really specific enough considering how they run out immediately... :\
I managed to get one within a few minutes of it being announced on @OVH, although still have not received the details.
Daniel.
I predict these will be called "Kimsufi 4G" (note the RAM amount!!) and the price will be 20 Euro, or 25 (less likely).
Daily, but only from Monday to Friday.
and now they're trying to delegate all IP (PI or PA? for classless ip? :P) to client. so each client can handle the abuse report. maybe they really tired being "abused" by abuse report :P
Yea like that'll work. It'll just draw in more booter hosts that will null the abuse email :P
Francisco
FYI the thing you want to click on is the flag graphic which does not translate with Google Chrome. Took me a few mins to figure it out.
Signed up for one of the beta servers; You should follow @OVH and @olesovhcom on twitter to get the times when they release them; Usually 08UTC or 12UTC. Mo through Friday. :)
I'll simply wait. Last time I signed up to get my hands on the alpha servers I got over 500 messages on my inbox. My spam filter was practically useless and I was flooded with e-mails from other people trying to snag alpha servers.
@JTR Well, OVH charges less than 20 bucks on the server and Yesup is 4 times of that :)
@rm_ may be we can start a bet on it :)
@Dionysus you use GMail? If you do create a filter with all email sent from that mailing list forwarded to trash directly :)
I believe the product line will be very similar in CA (possibly exactly the same), but the prices slightly higher. At a guess ~10-20%.
@96mb: Yep, it took several hours for it to function properly. By then I gave up mass deleting OVH e-mails.
OVH in Montreal = dozens of new deadpool candidates
That's because the routes are totally screwed atm.
Mine go from Minnesota (My state) > Chicago > New York > London > France > OVH Montreal.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that seems totally backwards.
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I encountered the same problem when I checked it out in Vancouver a couple of weeks ago.
This is sort of fixed now. From Vancouver I now to go Seattle, San Jose, Dallas, Newark, Montreal, Bhs.
It is better but still not perfect.
Am not worried though, still a beta after all.
Anyone know the address to their new DC in Montreal?
@Jeffrey: http://www.prweb.com/releases/MontrealDataCenter/CologixandOVH/prweb9345452.htm
I didn't think they were actually housing customer servers in downtown Montreal, only networky stuff, although I could be wrong.
Their big datacentre is in a former aluminium plant in Beauharnois on the outskirts of Montreal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1250_René-Lévesque
And if you scroll 500 meters to the north-west, it says there "Beauharnois Hydroelectric Power Station". Heh, I suppose they almost pay YOU to consume electricity there. :)
However I wonder what's with this fashion to build datacenters on river shores. Strasbourg's one is in harbour, now this one, and even OVH's stuff in Roubaix is also beside some river. Isn't increased humidity a problem, and what about the risk of floods.
Cooling reasons.
@rm_ AFAIK, OVH use a lot of water cooling for their servers, so it makes sense for them to be able to tap into cheap water ;)
No word yet on kimsufi pricing, 450 servers have just been initialized today; For the current setup i have i3-2100 / 16GB ram / 2x 1TB hdd / 100mbit the pricing will be $69;
Network is pretty loaded right now, since everybody is testing there servers, getting around 110ms pings from NL.
Here's a test IP: 198.245.61.168
I'll update you guys on more tomorrow !
Or 61,50 €/month
So I guess the 2012 line is going to be interesting, seeing as they changed the CPU, doubled the HDDs, and changed the pricing.
You sure?
A dual core i3 is quite a downgrade from their current i5 2400s..
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Might be replacing the atom?
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The server i got in BHS is not a kimsufi, but a SP Mini 2012, this is from there standard line; No word yet on the kimsufi's.
Well... Honestly, it's debatable. You get a greatly increased clock speed, at the cost of halving the cores (but gaining hyperthreading!). I'd say they're similar. And, since you'd gain two HDDs, it's a worthy trade-off. I do wonder what the bandwidth options will look like though... And what will replace the KS-24G, a i7-2600?
Nah, they already have 4GB atoms for the 2012 line if the promo servers are any indicator of that.
Oh wait, @StableVDS, you got a OVH-issue 2012 series server, not a Kimsufi server.
http://www.ovh.ie/dedicated_servers/superplan_mini.xml
@JTR read above in my second comment;
Sorry, I scrolled past the comment last time, and when replying this time Vanilla sent me to my previous comment, so I didn't see yours.
Unfinished peering and transit providers 'shouldn't affect latency so much', got it.
....Quit talking out of your ass.
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