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  • blackblack Member

    Lame... I'm pushing 5 in / 5 out a month. William must be connected to the same switch as me or something :P

  • i win :)

  • hostnoobhostnoob Member
    edited March 2015

    Why would you buy a VPS JUST for running TOR on it? If you have spare VPSes sure then I'd understand

  • @Dan And your exact point is? As far as i know both i83 and Deepnetsolutions do have notations in their TOS/AUP Stating that TOR is not allowed on their services.

    They are more then allowed to suspend the offending containers and list on Fraudrecord as the people running them would have been violating terms of service.

    I myself do the exact same thing, if people want to be fully anonymous.. Crank out the magazines, scissors and glue and paper and start writing ransom style notes. Providers can act on Violations.

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  • 4n0nx4n0nx Member

    AutoSnipe said: They are more then allowed to suspend the offending containers and list on Fraudrecord as the people running them would have been violating terms of service.

    I see no fraud in running a Tor node.

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  • gestiondbigestiondbi Member, Patron Provider

    @Dan If you are the customer I think you are, we simply apply rules and laws, as states in the ticket we open to explain you the situation.

    Other customers have been affected by the change, but all come to discuss about the application more strictly of the rules and we found alternatives for them. Unfortunately, if we want to stay in business and be reliable, we need to respect laws. We get RCMP abuse notice of illegal traffic transiting on our nodes due to some TOR relay, then we need to act.

    Some people run TOR relay for fun or to support the cause, which in my opinion is a good thing. However, the traffic that those relay host isn't simply to be anonymous. We deal many time with authorities due to child porn, hacking, phishing, scamming, etc. that transit on those kind of anonymous relay.

    However, the only thing I want to say is, If you got suspended by a host, open a ticket and ask them what is happening and always stay polite. If the host isn't a scammer, he will help you to understand the situation and try to fix it with you...

  • @Dan - @Davidgestiondbi has summed it up pretty well, and with the way NAT Works, it is a lot harder (in some cases) to find the user that has actually committed the offence. The fact that some IRC networks don't allow you to join if your IP is classed as a TOR Node in any way shape or form etc.

    So, there is the chance of Legal Issues (as william knows) Incovenience to others etc.

    That is why it is Prohibidato! ()

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  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited March 2015

    davidgestiondbi said: We get RCMP abuse notice of illegal traffic transiting on our nodes due to some TOR relay, then we need to act.

    That is 100% BS. No relay will ever give you any abuse.
    Relay nodes are blocked by ISPs which cannot provide the traffic advertised (because a relay will use sooner or later all the allotted traffic) and use the CP complaints cool story as a cover-up.

    We never had any CP abuse report even when we did allow exit nodes (we still allow relays), it was the cc fraud against stupid ppl which have no idea how to block Tor that was piling up. CP abuse we have over the clear internet, people regularly put sites advertising it and landing then ransom threats.

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  • AutoSnipe said: So, there is the chance of Legal Issues (as william knows) Incovenience to others etc.

    Only exit. Relay is safe to run anywhere.

  • @William said:

    Im aware of the whole relay/exit differences etc. Its a lot easier to run it as a blanket ban rather then depicting what style to run In my opinion.

    As a lot of people just turn around and assume that since a relay is ok then an exit is as well. I find there is not many people that actually read AUP's. On a side note about Terms of service. Paypal's is horrible.. other day sent just over 1k to someone and bam instant account lock for 48 hours both mine and theirs for no reason.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited March 2015

    AutoSnipe said: As a lot of people just turn around and assume that since a relay is ok then an exit is as well

    That is another BS excuse providers who cannot afford the traffic advertised are making when the first (CP, terrorism abuse reports) BS is called.

    People running Tor know what they are doing in 99% of the cases, because it involves adding repos, editing configs, not the regular point and click stuff in windows and are also educated enough to know the difference it is making for their (and other people's) freedoms.

    AutoSnipe said: I find there is not many people that actually read AUP's

    Who does not read ToS/AUP will put an exit node anyway, so what was the purpose to ban it there (ToS/AUP) in the first place?

    No, you are either a provider which oversells traffic or someone that is not smart enough to see through propaganda and BS excuses.

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  • AutoSnipe said: other day sent just over 1k to someone and bam instant account lock for 48 hours both mine and theirs for no reason.

    Paypal probably thought you were being carded/are a carder.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    I got mine limited for 500, it probably depends on residence country.

  • @Maounique , it doesn't really matter what i say though you will always have an opinion to the other. and on that, it doesn't matter what any of us say, a provider has the right to disallow services running on their Servers.

    And the second point my answer would be is that you can turn around and say i see you read our terms of service, why were you intentionally doing X wrong?

    @Gunter , Not the first time i've spent over 1k to one person before.. First time that it was a registered business in Australia (where i'm from) so would have though they'd do it when i was buying Expensive things in Europe or USA. but no.. Just bam, no incoming no outgoing.. and they didn't take nicely to my phone calls every few hours going, i need it back on.. you have got confirmation I made a payment so.. fix it.

  • Using tor supports the Islamic state

  • rm_ said: In my experience I2P barely uses any bandwidth, but a lot of CPU, so it would only add to the problem, not solve it. And the problem is, 99% CPU use at those numbers that I have (13+13). Share your secrets how do you get 26+26?

    Not sure, i run default configurations - Theres also an Nginx running but i doubt anyone abuses it (no logs until yesterday, so can't confirm for sure)

  • 13tb and 17tb on my 2 kide's, 104tb on my biggest relay.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited March 2015

    AutoSnipe said: a provider has the right to disallow services running on their Servers

    That is correct, but making up CP/terrorism excuses to save their traffic is not correct. Or you could also allocate less traffic and Tor people will not sign up with you in the first place. If you allocate a lot of traffic and you cannot deliver, that is a bad business decision, dont blame Tor for it.

    AutoSnipe said: And the second point my answer would be is that you can turn around and say i see you read our terms of service, why were you intentionally doing X wrong?

    So, it is either they read it and they know exits are not allowed, or they do not read it and then it does not matter either way, but people running Tor are carefully reading the ToS/AUP before. You find exits, you terminate in any case, whether they read the ToS/AUP or not. Saying you do not allow relays because you are afraid people will not read and will run exits instead, is BS, simple as that.

  • DanDan Member

    Lol @AutoSnipe, I've always been studious about fully reading and mirroring the TOS and AUP of each provider I use when it comes to the VPSes I use for tor relays, gotta be careful to not let groups like Deepnet Solutions or i83 scam ya when they change their TOS and you've got a yearly VPS.

    Running a Tor relay is as benign as it gets for processes you can run on a VPS, low quality providers ban it to cover up whatever hardware/bandwidth issue or software incompetence they have (like setting appropriate VM limits).

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  • @Dan in my case, i'm quite open about any hardware issues that i have. but that is not the reason why i personally don't allow TOR on my services.

    Most of my customers on the NAT IPv4 Plans use them for IRC bouncers etc. (or VPN's etc)
    But considering IP's branded as TOR IP's are banned from a large chunk of larger IRC networks, they cannot connect to the network. So, for one person running a Tor node, and having someone troll over the irc network. wrecks all other users connected to that ip address. (https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq-abuse.html.en#IrcBans)

    So, in my opinion. I'm looking after the other customers before the one person that could wreck the whole system for everyone else.

    I have more then enough bandwidth available to all my servers to run exit nodes etc (as most of my customers may remember me upgrading bandwidth here and there etc) but i choose to keep the majority of people happy that with their irc clients etc. rather then someone that could end up getting everyone booted. In my opinion, if it's a dedicated IPv4 VPS, then by all means Unless explicitly stated which forms of TOR are disallowed .. it should be ok to do so, but for Shared IP Servers. They should be completely locked out. If you don't see this as a reasonable explanation for all of us (myself, deepnet, i83, inception and ransomit) then i don't know what would please you in this.

    Regards,
    Ryan B

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  • What you wrote is not applicable at all to relays and bridges.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited March 2015

    AutoSnipe said: If you don't see this as a reasonable explanation

    That is a reasonable explanation, finally, there was no need for the BS/propaganda ones. However, relays do not appear in exit lists, so there is no need to ban the IPs from IRC, but, I will concede that many IRC operators (and other people using blindly Tor lists) are stupid enough to not make the difference.

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  • What are you guys using all that bw for? :o

  • @deadbeef said:
    What are you guys using all that bw for? :o

    Have you even read the title

  • deadbeefdeadbeef Member
    edited March 2015

    @TinyTunnel_Tom said:
    Have you even read the title

    You should disable the write-ahead cache in your mind because it seems you're using stale data when you write. Not everyone who posted stats in this thread claimed explicitly it was due to their tor relay. You may realize that by employing the miracle of reading.

  • @deadbeef said:
    You should disable the write-ahead cache in your mind because it seems you're using stale data when you write. Not everyone who posted stats in this thread claimed explicitly it was due to their tor relay. You may realize that by employing the miracle of reading.

    Have you ever run a Tor relay?

  • @TinyTunnel_Tom said:
    Have you ever run a Tor relay?

    I see the reading comprehension issues keep going strong :|

  • @deadbeef said:
    I see the reading comprehension issues keep going strong :|

    I see you are unable to answer a question.

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  • @TinyTunnel_Tom said:
    I see you are unable to answer a question.

    Well, the whole discussion here is that what you see and reality are leagues apart. It happens, I get it, I sympathize. You can jog along now.

  • KupolKupol Member

    I had a very bad experience with a local provider and a Tor relay. I've bought a VPS from them. The ToS didn't disallow Tor relays. They were promoting the VPS package as an unmetered. I've specified my reasons and asked, if the BW is really unmetered in multiple support tickets as I simply understand that for 9euro per month you can not get an unmetered BW. All their support technicians and sales people assured me that it really is unmetered. So I went ahead and set my relay speed to 500Mbit with 700Mbit burst. First 2 weeks all was good since the new relay didn't use much bw, after a month I've pushed 10TB in both directions. Suddenly they suspended the VM, without giving any prior notice or anything. So I kindly asked what's up in a ticket. The response I got was hella funny. It turned out that the bw wasn't unmetered after all.

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