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Convert from WHMCS to Hostbillapp?

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  • AlexBarakovAlexBarakov Patron Provider, Veteran

    @Aldryic
    I actually have no idea if they fill in the holes or don't, never even researched them... It is a pitty that I will be launching a VPN services based on WHMCS again... I would have thought twice before getting the whole automation setup with WHMCS, if this thing had happened 1-2 months earlier... Anyway, my point was that I may be mistaking about the exploiting of host bill.

  • LV_MattLV_Matt Member

    @Aldryic said: I'm referring to more than one exploit, and was making a lighthearted poke at the rumour that Hostbill is nothing more than reversed WHMCS that's been cleaned up and re-released. Nothing to take seriously, hence why I attached the meme.

    I wish it was...would be a ton cheaper to get custom development then for, instead we keep having to go back to HostBill.

    Im sure almost half my HostBill install isn't "ioncubed" now.

  • @joepie91 said: Do you work for the UK government or something? You keep going on and on about the Data Protection Act, as if it's some kind of holy bible and everyone that hosts something outside the UK is blasphemous. Seriously, it's getting a bit annoying.

    Haha no, I've mentioned it once before.

  • KairusKairus Member

    @joepie91 said: Honestly, if you write code like WHMCS, you're asking to get hacked.

    Explain? Considering the hack wasn't due to an issue with WHMCS itself, I don't see how you can make such a statement. Why don't you do better if you think their code is crap?

  • @Daniel

    Apparently your a lawyer specialising in data protection cases? It's all I ever see you going on about.

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  • @GetKVM-Ash said: Apparently your a lawyer specialising in data protection cases? It's all I ever see you going on about.

    Huh? If you look on WHT someone posted about how it broke a section of the act, I just posted it here.

  • LV_MattLV_Matt Member

    So it appears HostBill have put a limit on support tickets, sorry but I just purchased 1 years unlimited access to support and upgrades?

    So now I loose what I paid for? Thanks guys over at HostBill, they really test my patience sometimes.

    Well that's the end of me reporting bugs to them!

  • @LV_Matt said: So now I loose what I paid for? Thanks guys over at HostBill, they really test my patience sometimes.

    WHMCS got hacked.
    HostBill don't offer support unless you pay them.
    ClientExec is too fiddly, it has around 10 fields you need to enter your system email.

    There is no real alternative.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited May 2012

    HostBill is not the simple, set it up and let it fly script that WHMCS is. The support is less preferable. My thought is that sometimes the right choice isn't the easiest. Perhaps it's time to give someone else the spotlight, perhaps not. I'm going to give them a chance. Not afraid to get my hands dirty, only thing that matters is that clients get an attractive and functional interface and that their data is secure. HostBill covers the first at least, I can see to the second to the best of my ability. Consulting LiquidWeb on it a bit too, three heads are better than two ;)

    I guess it's just a trust issue right now. I don't just give back trust so easily. I reinforce behavior with my business and express discontent by pulling it. If enough people do the same, maybe WHMCS will end up a lot better off for it.

  • LV_MattLV_Matt Member

    HostBill is pretty simple to setup. I would personally say its simpler than WHMCS.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @LV_Matt Hitting 403 errors here every now & then when I change settings. Doesn't seem to be quite as much documentation. Feels like a downgrade to us but an upgrade in the client area, which I'm all for.

  • AlexBarakovAlexBarakov Patron Provider, Veteran

    Weren't there some promotions for hostbill monthly. I wanted to try it out, but not willing to spend 200$ just for trying with owner license..

  • AsadAsad Member

    @LiquidHost said: Weren't there some promotions for hostbill monthly. I wanted to try it out, but not willing to spend 200$ just for trying with owner license..

    They still have the 14 day trial.

  • LV_MattLV_Matt Member

    @LiquidHost said: Weren't there some promotions for hostbill monthly. I wanted to try it out, but not willing to spend 200$ just for trying with owner license..

    Send sales an email and Im sure they will give you a good deal on the monthly if you say your a WHMCS refugee.

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider

    @Kairus said: Explain? Considering the hack wasn't due to an issue with WHMCS itself, I don't see how you can make such a statement.

    WHMCS has a history of being sloppy with security. That usually doesn't just stay with the code aspect of the business, but also carries over to handling situations like these. Additionally, it's not like every giant gaping WHMCS vuln in the past was due to Hostgator dropping the ball or an email account getting compromised.

    Why don't you do better if you think their code is crap?

    Because there is a limited amount of time I have. I'm currently working on a VPS control panel, and along with a few other projects that already eats up just about all my time.

  • FRCoreyFRCorey Member

    Been comparing Hostbillapp, blesta, and Ubersmith, and by far Hostbill seems to have more complete plugins compared to WHMCS. With WHMCS everything they do for other product API's is normally half baked. Take vps.net for example, it barely functions, while the hostbill version even has built in tests to ensure you set it up correctly.

    UberSmith is nice, but it's super expensive and seems to have less features than WHMCS or Hostbill. No idea how they compete, but they do have compelling features for managing co-location, but again you have to have the correct switches and pdu's that it's compatible with.

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    I'm probably going to go with WHMCS. But I've been looking at IP.Nexus again. I have an IP.Board license which I was going to use for my company forum. IP.Nexus is their store module. I was surprised to discover that it supports cpanel/WHM integration, Maxmind and custom fraud rules, etc.

    http://www.invisionpower.com/products/nexus/tour/

    One of the major things its missing is registrar integration, though one could make a custom package and do it manually. They do plan to add it.

    Strange, though...in effect, your customers would be registering for a forum and using its store module.

    Board + Nexus is $245, which is similarly priced to WHMCS, etc. However, renewal of board is $50/year and Nexus $70/year, so that is significantly more.

  • DanielMDanielM Member

    @GetKVM-Ash said: Apparently your a lawyer specialising in data protection cases? It's all I ever see you going on about.

    Its me who has invoked the DPA a few times. And i know how they work. Look at acs law they where bad with security and they got a 250k fine for it. Granted they where most likely registered with the ICO.

    @joepie91 "Because there is a limited amount of time I have. I'm currently working on a VPS control panel"

    So you left the anon hacker club then?

  • FRCoreyFRCorey Member

    There's an entirely different TOS that comes into play when a customer uses a credit card to pay for service, PCI, merchant account rules, credit card company rules, and in the US Federal laws that protect card holders.

    Thier TOS only covers the product, they're bound by different rules entirely when it comes to accepting credit cards.

    Now considering how the hack happened, I suspect WHMCS would have a case against hostgator, a company who's not tried to do any damage control over their brand in light of what happened. I would have serious concerns about that company if I had any investment being managed by them if someone can call and impersonate someone else. They should at least call the customer on the phone with the number listed on the account and see who answers the phone before giving away the keys to the kingdom.

    I'm guessing the server was managed by hostgator. Good job WHMCS, you write all this great code, but cant manage your own server? Seems the same abilities that enable you to write this software to work would qualify at least someone to manage the server itself.

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider

    @DanielM said: So you left the anon hacker club then?

    I'm sorry?

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    Nothing like importing cpanel accounts and doing the rest by hand because you're small enough to be able to do that ;) (twss)

    Now to see Exit3's integration work!

  • FRCoreyFRCorey Member

    I still like the features of HostBill, but one sticking point is their SolusVM management. The way they handle nodes is on a per node basis instead of provisioning across node groups, with one guy suggesting it's better that way, which means if you have 12 nodes and 5 packages you have to configure 60 products. WTF!

  • AldryicAldryic Member

    @FRCorey said: I still like the features of HostBill, but one sticking point is their SolusVM management. The way they handle nodes is on a per node basis instead of provisioning across node groups, with one guy suggesting it's better that way, which means if you have 12 nodes and 5 packages you have to configure 60 products. WTF!

    That sounds more like a shoddy module than the billing platform. Or does Hostbill have Solus functions integrated, and not use modules?

  • LV_MattLV_Matt Member

    @FRCorey said: I still like the features of HostBill, but one sticking point is their SolusVM management. The way they handle nodes is on a per node basis instead of provisioning across node groups, with one guy suggesting it's better that way, which means if you have 12 nodes and 5 packages you have to configure 60 products. WTF!

    Nope that is entirely wrong! Your not setting it up right, however you can't use node groups, you just have to manually change over the nodes in the product page when you have filled up the node. Send a ticket into sales as a feature request for node groups and I'm sure they will have it added by the next version if you really want.

    @Aldryic said: That sounds more like a shoddy module than the billing platform. Or does Hostbill have Solus functions integrated, and not use modules?

    HostBills SolusVM integration is pretty fancy I have to admit: http://cdn.hostbillapp.com/modules/solus/clientaera.swf

  • FRCoreyFRCorey Member

    @LV_Matt said: @FRCorey said: I still like the features of HostBill, but one sticking point is their SolusVM management. The way they handle nodes is on a per node basis instead of provisioning across node groups, with one guy suggesting it's better that way, which means if you have 12 nodes and 5 packages you have to configure 60 products. WTF!

    Nope that is entirely wrong! Your not setting it up right, however you can't use node groups, you just have to manually change over the nodes in the product page when you have filled up the node. Send a ticket into sales as a feature request for node groups and I'm sure they will have it added by the next version if you really want.

    @Aldryic said: That sounds more like a shoddy module than the billing platform. Or does Hostbill have Solus functions integrated, and not use modules?

    We'll they're going to put node group management in :)

    I like to load my nodes randomly which more or less evens new customers out rather than piling a bunch of new orders on a single node.

  • I found Hostbill monthly license. https://my.siteserving.com/hosting-licenses-checkout/hostbill, around $9.95 per month.

    However forum members from HostBillApp recommend use HostBill 2.8 which you can import database from WHMCS, then upgrade to latest version (now 3.6.0).

  • gianggiang Veteran

    Their site interface looks familar to Licensecube :\

  • TazTaz Member

    I thought hostbill stopped offering reseller plans?

  • You should directly contact SiteServing for more information.

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