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Getting an Autonomous System
I'm curious, how exactly does someone get a hold of an Autonomous System? Since I'd like to get one if possible in the future.
What's the minimum allocation? What's the process? Do you need a colocation or any certain type of service? Cost? How do you assign an AS to a network?
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Justification is to be multihomed - get two transit agreements, forward to ARIN, pay them $500 (I think) and they'll review your application for an ASN
Are you a member of any RIR?
Thats the first step and most of the cost (excluding IP costs).
ARIN? You are from the UK. :-)
You really need to refer to your RIR, it varies. I would guess yours might be APNIC since you are in Asia?
I'm not really sure who you're referring to.
If you're referring to me, I operate multiple international subsidaries and I'm not really sure which RIR I need to refer to. I imagine I would need to refer to each RIR seperately depending on the server location. If it is me, what gave you the idea that I'm from Asia?
You need to apply for IPs within the region you are operating. So if you have a subsidiary in Europe then RIPE, if you have another subsidiary in the US then you have apply for IPs for NA from them, same with APNIC. You can't use IPs from one region in another region any more.
AS numbers generally should be applied for in your home country OR in the region where you can show multiple transit agreements at the same location.
Remember the justification for an AS # is that you are multi-homing.
If you don't have an AS number, how do you get a transit agreement?
You go to two separate transit providers order IP transit service no BGP just static route, ask each for /24. Then once they are delivered, apply to ARIN for AS # and IP space. They'll allocate them, you hand back your two /24's to your transit providers and tell them to reconfigure for BGP using your new AS #.
In the request form must be given the contact details (email) of at least two providers, who are willing to do BGP sessions with you when you get the AS. The practice shows that RIPE never actually contacts those two providers to check if it is true.
With 32 bit AS numbers there are so many available that it is practicly impossible that they would run out some day. So the RIRs don't care too much if you get an AS even if you are not multihomed.
@rds100 - thats actually not true, one of our customers who did this recently had to provide a copy of his invoice from us and also confirmation of service delivery
You said you were in China somewhere or maybe I'm blind. It would make sense to have it in your local RIR, if you go with RIPE for example you need to be a member and you get an AS along with some IP's but they can only be used in Middle East and Europe I beliveve. It's very costly, but you can get a referee RIPE member to get you just the AS and get your IP elsewhere.
Where are your servers going to be? If US then ARIN would probably make sense
@MarkTurner that's something new then, we are a LIR since the year 2000 and we've never seen such a check.
@rds100 - things are changing as resources are running out. I've seen 2-3 verifications from RIPE and ARIN. APNIC and AFRINIC don't seem to care, just fill in the paperwork, pay the money and off you go.
@MarkTurner maybe now that RIPE has much less work to do regarding IP assignments, they have too much free time to wast on non-essential things
And since there are as much AS numbers possible as there are IPv4 address (around 4 billion), i don't think anyone should care too much about a wasted ASN here and there.
@rds100 - Jobs for the boys (and girls). RIPE is a typical bureaucratic European organisation.
Arin is $550 for an AS and not $500, fyi
$550 one time?
Annually.
$550 setup plus $100/year
https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html#asns
What's the cost of a /24?
Depends what RIR and who with. No real fixed price because you won't find the direct RIR selling it only ISP and other companies who are members and have larger blocks to split up sell it.
I'm just here for business on behalf of my national government, and to visit some family members since they were nice enough to intergrate it with my vacation.
Depends what RIR and who with. No real fixed price because you won't find the direct RIR selling it only ISP and other companies who are members and have larger blocks to split up sell it.
Out of curiosity, does ColoCrossing sell IPs? Who sells the cheapest IPs in the world, or on record at least?
No, they hoard them. ;p
On record they don't unless you have a CC service but I'm sure might rent some, doubt their massive allocations are all being used.
Free from some ISPs/telecoms. Probably won't find that at datacenter these days, though.
Not true. Furthermore it would be next to impossible to do (think anycast).
You should be a member of the RIR handling the region your company (the one becoming a member and getting access to the resources) is registered.
@Splitice - Anycast is a reasonable use for cross-RIR usages but other than that is COMPLETELY prohibited.
I know that we discussed about this already however I am still not completely convienced that this is actually prohibited for allocated IPs and it looks to me more like newish ARIN attempt, to keep with new requirement newly requested IPs inside region, not enforcable policy for already allocated IP subnets. Maybe they still work on that...
FDC in their Czech Republic DC still user ARIN IPs http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-50-7-192-0-1/pft, so does Choopa in Japan http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-108-61-200-0-1/pft or Netherland http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-173-199-64-0-2/pft, OVH some RIPE subnets in Canada, and so on...
btw. I saw the same response from J. Curran here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/161490
@Spirit - With ARIN you have to sign a declaration for each allocation and that is to confirm that everything you wrote is true, including the answer to this questions:
I received this on Thursday so its pretty fresh
For new allocations request or for every already assigned subnet from past?
We have services pre-ARIN (Internic) for some parts of the business but they keep forcing the new service agreements.