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  • Not all providers ignore

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited April 2021

    @William said: Far right are good customers, always pay on time

    Socialists also pay well and always on time. I'm not gonna try to figure out why. Maybe it's very profitable to be a socialist under capitalism.

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    In my book, anything "far" is never good.

  • @jar said: Socialists also pay well and always on time. I'm not gonna try to figure out why. Maybe it's very profitable to be a socialist under capitalism.

    Yes, i also host them but they tend to not like me.

    The ultra right has no issue with me as jew hosting them, because they know its business.

    The ultra left always tries to A) politicize myself and B) get discounts for political content (lolnope).

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  • Perhaps try send it to hetzner.com main IP address they will shutdown their own website server immediately since they are very lazy checking every abuse report Lol . :p

  • chihcherngchihcherng Veteran
    edited April 2021

    @jmgcaguicla said:

    @chihcherng said: It never occurred to me that a low-end VPS user can identify a malware C&C server

    What's that supposed to mean?

    The following providers said the one scanning my hosts was their "security researcher" customer while responding to some of my abuse reports:

    AWS, BlackHost, Linode, Steadfast, SingleHop, CARI.net

    Most of them are not low-end VPS providers. So I might get the wrong impression that security researchers seldom use low-end VPS. Perhaps security researchers do use low-end VPS but their providers don't reply to my abuse reports.

  • Maybe reporter email address is marked as spam/abuse.

    I was always under the impression that the mails that look like

    You did X!!!
    Remove Y in Z time!!!

    And providers forward them with equal tone.

    I doubt most even verify the origin. It has include the tone.

  • WilliamWilliam Member
    edited April 2021

    @chihcherng said: The following providers said the one scanning my hosts

    Portscanning is not illegal anywhere. I trash any port scan abuse automatically.

    You operate a public service.

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  • xaocxaoc Member

    @serv_ee said:

    @jar said:

    @serv_ee said:

    @jar said:

    @serv_ee said:
    Soon all that cancel culture and SJWs will form a new group who will send reports to everything on the net and some providers start pulling down sites cause "I don't like what he said hurr durr"

    Are you saying that you would host an actual nazi!?!?

    (Correct answer is “no, I will immediately terminate anyone from the German National Socialist Workers party”)

    As long as he doesn't call up for violence (or other stuff that's illegal) I couldn't care less who he is.

    If he's just posting pictures and "admirers" that one person, hell so be it. I don't have to agree with it but I ain't gonna cancel it either just cause someone reports it as abuse.

    The joke is that they don’t exist, they were defeated and disbanded 😂

    Nazis don't. Neo-nazis do. It's like potato and tomato but...also quite many of them in Russia which is ironic.

    It's only ironic because you believe there was only one nazi country in the ww2 equation. ;)

  • @William said: Portscanning is not illegal anywhere

    It SHOULD be! It's in plenty of ToS but rarely enforced, IME.

  • @William what is the website to your offers? william.si and ip6.im is not reachable from here.

  • I don't care about ToS. I care about laws.

    My ToS reflect 1:1 the local laws - If it's legal i don't give a shit.

    What my customers do is not my business.

  • @William said:
    Portscanning is not illegal anywhere. I trash any port scan abuse automatically.

    Legal or not, port scanning is a violation of the providers' acceptable use policy. Sometimes port scanning is a sign of compromised hosts. Reporting them gives the owners a chance to clean up their systems.

  • @William Where we found your deals?

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  • @xaoc said:

    @serv_ee said:

    @jar said:

    @serv_ee said:

    @jar said:

    @serv_ee said:
    Soon all that cancel culture and SJWs will form a new group who will send reports to everything on the net and some providers start pulling down sites cause "I don't like what he said hurr durr"

    Are you saying that you would host an actual nazi!?!?

    (Correct answer is “no, I will immediately terminate anyone from the German National Socialist Workers party”)

    As long as he doesn't call up for violence (or other stuff that's illegal) I couldn't care less who he is.

    If he's just posting pictures and "admirers" that one person, hell so be it. I don't have to agree with it but I ain't gonna cancel it either just cause someone reports it as abuse.

    The joke is that they don’t exist, they were defeated and disbanded 😂

    Nazis don't. Neo-nazis do. It's like potato and tomato but...also quite many of them in Russia which is ironic.

    It's only ironic because you believe there was only one nazi country in the ww2 equation. ;)

    Russia sure as fuck wasn't one of them

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited April 2021

    @xaoc said:

    @serv_ee said:

    @jar said:

    @serv_ee said:

    @jar said:

    @serv_ee said:
    Soon all that cancel culture and SJWs will form a new group who will send reports to everything on the net and some providers start pulling down sites cause "I don't like what he said hurr durr"

    Are you saying that you would host an actual nazi!?!?

    (Correct answer is “no, I will immediately terminate anyone from the German National Socialist Workers party”)

    As long as he doesn't call up for violence (or other stuff that's illegal) I couldn't care less who he is.

    If he's just posting pictures and "admirers" that one person, hell so be it. I don't have to agree with it but I ain't gonna cancel it either just cause someone reports it as abuse.

    The joke is that they don’t exist, they were defeated and disbanded 😂

    Nazis don't. Neo-nazis do. It's like potato and tomato but...also quite many of them in Russia which is ironic.

    It's only ironic because you believe there was only one nazi country in the ww2 equation. ;)

    There was definitely only one country driving the National Socialist German Workers' Party. First one to guess which country wins the game. They were good at outsourcing some of their work, but no one is judging Romanians today for their previous alliance.

  • WilliamWilliam Member
    edited April 2021

    @hyperblast said: @William what is the website to your offers? william.si and ip6.im is not reachable from here.

    I kicked that backupsy box a bit and it works now again.

    @dragon1993 said: @William Where we found your deals?

    I do not sell to the public. PM for an offer. No customer data needed, anonymous payment (i do this by charging everyone 25% VAT like locals, so i do not need any customer data by Croatian law).

    I run a specialized service for specific customers, mostly high value DDoS targets and extreme grey area services like warez hosting (not linking) and non-CAN-SPAM compliant mailing (grey area because this is legal here and in Serbia, but not in the US and many other countries).

    @chihcherng said: Legal or not, port scanning is a violation of the providers' acceptable use policy.

    No, it is not of mine and most upstreams explicitly move liability once you have a BGP session.

  • HivelocityHivelocity Member, Patron Provider

    Most providers who ignore abuse reports do it because of greed. They want that monthly payment from the customer regardless of their unsavory activity.

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  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @Hivelocity said:
    Most providers who ignore abuse reports do it because of greed. They want that monthly payment from the customer regardless of their unsavory activity.

    To be fair, every responsible provider should be ignoring an amount of abuse reports. That amount will vary.

  • WilliamWilliam Member
    edited April 2021

    @Hivelocity said: Most providers who ignore abuse reports do it because of greed. They want that monthly payment from the customer regardless of their unsavory activity.

    I disagree.

    Just because something is legal here and not in the US does not make me a bad person or greedy - I just follow the law to the point and use my experience to operate barely legal, but legal, services.

    I pay my taxes (...47%!...), my customers pay LOCAL VAT so Croatia gets additional 25% from everyone even outside the EU and i expect my government to support me as business, especially in this hard times (our unemployment rate is near 35%...).

  • xaocxaoc Member

    @serv_ee said:

    @xaoc said:

    @serv_ee said:

    @jar said:

    @serv_ee said:

    @jar said:

    @serv_ee said:
    Soon all that cancel culture and SJWs will form a new group who will send reports to everything on the net and some providers start pulling down sites cause "I don't like what he said hurr durr"

    Are you saying that you would host an actual nazi!?!?

    (Correct answer is “no, I will immediately terminate anyone from the German National Socialist Workers party”)

    As long as he doesn't call up for violence (or other stuff that's illegal) I couldn't care less who he is.

    If he's just posting pictures and "admirers" that one person, hell so be it. I don't have to agree with it but I ain't gonna cancel it either just cause someone reports it as abuse.

    The joke is that they don’t exist, they were defeated and disbanded 😂

    Nazis don't. Neo-nazis do. It's like potato and tomato but...also quite many of them in Russia which is ironic.

    It's only ironic because you believe there was only one nazi country in the ww2 equation. ;)

    Russia sure as fuck wasn't one of them

    I mean "nazi" and it sure as "fuck" was one of them. ;)

  • No idea where you're going with this to be honest...

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited April 2021

    @William said: Just because something is legal here and not in the US does not make me a bad person or greedy - I just follow the law to the point and use my experience to operate barely legal, but legal, services.

    That's what I try to explain often. In some countries, it's illegal to speak out against the government or to propagate certain religions. I don't accept these things because I'm greedy, I accept them because fuck the people who would try to limit their speech in their own venues.

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  • I am also very well aware that a LOT i do is extremely illegal in the US (spam easily gets you some years, as do warez) - I simply never enter the US or Canada, don't leave the EU aside of Serbia/Russia and don't travel to UK or Israel either.

    Croatia does not extradite citizens, EU foreigners married to citizens or EU foreigners with children with Croatian citizenship outside the EU, in any case.

  • @Courvix said: Surprisingly, AWS got back to me quickly and appear to have resolved the abuse.

    I have a lot of spam from AWS. Really a lot. But I tried to use their report abuse forms and did not succeed that. Maybe I did something wrong? Can you point please a link for the abuse report on AWS that you have used?

  • SpryServers_TabSpryServers_Tab Member, Host Rep
    edited April 2021

    I'd also like to point out, many times a provider will take action on the report but not get back to you. Responding to every single abuse report is just a waste of time and resources. If we feel action is needed, we take it, if not, we don't. We may reply to your report, we may not.

  • As long as the abuse report isn't abusive and filled with random blabbers, it is handled appropriately. We don't play judge judy.

    • Did you include proper details in your complaint or just emailed the provider "Yo, you r customer is hosting copyrighted content but there's no link, I can share. I won't even tell you the offending IP. I just know", that kind of abuse report goes down the drain.

    • If you share what "appears to be" a valid concern, backed by verifiable proof, it will be passed down to our end users, once we have done our basic due diligence and we will do what is needed to be done, per our local law and guidelines.

  • @seriesn said:
    As long as the abuse report isn't abusive and filled with random blabbers, it is handled appropriately. We don't play judge judy.

    • Did you include proper details in your complaint or just emailed the provider "Yo, you r customer is hosting copyrighted content but there's no link, I can share. I won't even tell you the offending IP. I just know", that kind of abuse report goes down the drain.

    • If you share what "appears to be" a valid concern, backed by verifiable proof, it will be passed down to our end users, once we have done our basic due diligence and we will do what is needed to be done, per our local law and guidelines.

    also dont use hetzner

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  • @desperand said:

    @Courvix said: Surprisingly, AWS got back to me quickly and appear to have resolved the abuse.

    I have a lot of spam from AWS. Really a lot. But I tried to use their report abuse forms and did not succeed that. Maybe I did something wrong? Can you point please a link for the abuse report on AWS that you have used?

    I sent a message directly to their abuse email address rather than using any abuse reporting form they have.

    They replied within 5-6 hours stating they had begun an investigation, and 2 days after that, they sent another email saying they "have taken steps to mitigate the reported abusive content or activity".

    Overall, I'm happy with that result.

  • @SirFoxy said:

    @seriesn said:
    As long as the abuse report isn't abusive and filled with random blabbers, it is handled appropriately. We don't play judge judy.

    • Did you include proper details in your complaint or just emailed the provider "Yo, you r customer is hosting copyrighted content but there's no link, I can share. I won't even tell you the offending IP. I just know", that kind of abuse report goes down the drain.

    • If you share what "appears to be" a valid concern, backed by verifiable proof, it will be passed down to our end users, once we have done our basic due diligence and we will do what is needed to be done, per our local law and guidelines.

    also dont use hetzner

    Remember those drives?

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