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Providers, would you host Parler?

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  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @rchurch said:
    The simple truth is Parler's management engineers suck. They should have planned for this and rehearsed it, and should have been ready to switch providers.

    They should use a fully distributed network architecture such as Named Data Networking or Pied Piper. There would be no servers. The data survives as long as there are users.

  • @Nyr said:
    Most providers in this forum are not independent enough to make this decision.

    Of those who can, most are not keen to host a customer like this, because it comes with guaranteed harassment from some media outlets, potential boycotts, personal attacks, etc.

    Can you please provide examples of "harassment from some media outlets" that have been directed to hosts of inflamattory right-wing platforms (yes, I use inflamattory deliberately). Or is the issue your understanding of the word 'harassment'?

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  • @jsg said:
    the "left", "liberal" Gestapo.

    Gestapo? Love how you pretend that you're not a Trump supporter and then throw around such characterisations.

  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @kaleaware said: Can you please provide examples of "harassment from some media outlets" that have been directed to hosts of inflamattory right-wing platforms (yes, I use inflamattory deliberately). Or is the issue your understanding of the word 'harassment'?

    Since the English language does not have an official dictionary, there is not an authoritative meaning for a word.

    I will go with the Cambridge Dictionary:

    harassment
    noun

    behaviour that annoys or upsets someone

    I am pretty sure that independent hosts do get annoyed by political media and "activists" trying to influence or put pressure in their business decisions and relationships.

    This is not a political matter to me as I am a neutral party to this conflict and American drama in general, the only thing which worries me is the increasing centralization and regulation of online discussion to a ridiculous extent. Many people is going to regret this direction in some years from now, but it will be too late.

  • edited January 2021

    @uzaysan said:
    I'm not american nor a trump supporter. but this is wrong. Amazon rejected hosting parler and Google removed parler app from play store. Apple also threatening them. İ see the point. Trump and supporters creates violents. But trump and his supporters did the same in twitter. But no body rejected hosting Twitter or google didn't remove twitter app from play store. This situation is a giant "i can do fuckever i want and there is nothing you can do about it". As a foreigner, this looks wrong

    The supreme court recently ruled that a wedding cake baker had the right to refuse service to a couple that wanted them to make a gay wedding cake. Yes, it is the same thing. So you should go argue with the supreme court about it.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @kaleaware said:

    @jsg said:
    the "left", "liberal" Gestapo.

    Gestapo? Love how you pretend that you're not a Trump supporter and then throw around such characterisations.

    It's not my choice. Those media and tech corporations are well known - and in part even saying themselves to be "left" and "liberal". And their actions are Gestapo-like.

    And no, again, I'm not a Trump supporter.My only reason to vote for that man whom I experienced again and again as incompetent, promising a lot but delivering little, would be the fact that he is the only available alternative to the woke "liberal" crowd. It's none of your business but if I were an American and she was on the vote sheet I'd vote for Tulsi Gabbard, not for Trump.

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  • edited January 2021

    If the rumor that is circulating today is true, someone supposedly hacked Parler and data dumped everything including everyone's post history, IP address, and contact info. So I think a lot of their users might be unavailable for the next little while to use the service anyways :D

    This is not the rumor from several weeks ago that turned out to be false. This is a new rumor.

    I think AWS keeps a copy of this stuff as well. Especially now since Parler is suing them. I am sure the FBI will want to get a hold of that.

  • @jsg said:

    @kaleaware said:

    @jsg said:
    the "left", "liberal" Gestapo.

    Gestapo? Love how you pretend that you're not a Trump supporter and then throw around such characterisations.

    It's not my choice. Those media and tech corporations are well known - and in part even saying themselves to be "left" and "liberal". And their actions are Gestapo-like.

    And no, again, I'm not a Trump supporter.My only reason to vote for that man whom I experienced again and again as incompetent, promising a lot but delivering little, would be the fact that he is the only available alternative to the woke "liberal" crowd. It's none of your business but if I were an American and she was on the vote sheet I'd vote for Tulsi Gabbard, not for Trump.

    You should start reading about what the Gestapo actually did and stop talking such non-sense.

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  • lonealonea Member, Host Rep

    Not really.

    Policies and guidelines.

    Also... perhaps EULA.

    There's a reason why Parler's lawyer are dropping them as well.

    Maybe they're waiting for Rudy G to come rescue them at the 4 seasons.

    @uzaysan said: This situation is a giant "i can do fuckever i want and there is nothing you can do about it". As a foreigner, this looks wrong

  • Update:
    Parler moves to a right-wing web-hosting firm after suing Amazon for antitrust violations for shutting down their app and their CEO said he would re-build the site from scratch

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9134897/Parler-CEO-says-doing-Facebook-Twitter-remove-violent-content.html

  • BertieBertie Member
    edited January 2021

    What if your upstreams threaten to pull the plug for hosting Parler?

    What recourse do hosts really have at that point?

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  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @Bertie said: What if your upstreams threaten to pull the plug for hosting Parler?

    What recourse do hosts really have at that point?

    Always an issue, but I don't think upstreams want to get into that business since it puts them into questionable waters, especially depending on how Net Neutrality stuff goes from here.

    For us personally I brought this all up as a concern in the early summer where I discussed wanting to sprawl out our network so we could be less reliant on transit providers and overall more resistant to bullshit like this.

    It's not cheap to do, but it's something I've been slowly pricing out incase things go to 11 and I gotta get it done and fast.

    Francisco

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  • DataWagonDataWagon Member, Patron Provider

    @Bertie said:

    What if your upstreams threaten to pull the plug for hosting Parler?

    What recourse do hosts really have at that point?

    Upstreams don't often take action like that, unless content being hosted is blatantly illegal. Nothing on Parler is really 'illegal', unless they're hosting CP or copyrighted content, which I don't think is the reason Amazon booted them.

    The day tier 1 upstreams start playing games like this is a bad day for the internet and our society as a whole.

  • lonealonea Member, Host Rep

    Depending on the location, hate speech is illegal.

    @DataWagon said: Nothing on Parler is really 'illegal', unless they're hosting CP or copyrighted content, which I don't think is the reason Amazon booted them.

  • DataWagonDataWagon Member, Patron Provider

    @lonea said:
    Depending on the location, hate speech is illegal.

    @DataWagon said: Nothing on Parler is really 'illegal', unless they're hosting CP or copyrighted content, which I don't think is the reason Amazon booted them.

    Not in the good ole' USA.

  • edited January 2021

    It's not just the hosting providers who won't work with them. Supposedly it's also credit card companies, payment processors, email providers, DNS providers etc.

  • @LTniger said:
    Here is Spartan Host Ltd. which hosted 8chan until krebsonsecurity.com debunked it:

    https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/10/qanon-8chan-sites-briefly-knocked-offline

    So yes, if you pay enough, people will take a risk. Money talks.

    Kerb is a hypocrite. He claim DDOS attacks are censorship than tries to get DDOS protection removed from a site he dislikes.

  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider
    edited January 2021

    If we had the influence, sure.

    However, it's looking like it would be a full-on legal battle with any datacenter we utilize, carriers, even credit card processors going after us for standing up for free speech so it would not really be a possibility. Ultimately though, as long as they're abiding by our terms of service and it does sound like they would be doing that, and as long as they deal with DMCA takedown requests and cooperate with law enforcement where necessary, I do not see a problem with their website itself.

    Some people mention the size/attacks being a problem, but at the Amazon AWS prices they were paying... anything's possible there.

    @Jio said: I see nothing wrong with private companies refusing to do business with another private company.

    I would usually agree with you here. However, some of these private companies are essentially running something that's at this point an irreplaceable part of our lives. They're also monopolies. If the barriers of entry were reduced, and sites such as Parler could more realistically find another host within the level of notice AWS provided them that actually had the power to host them for at least years instead of days before the situation continues to escalate... then sure.

    I'm okay with them being kicked off the App stores, albeit I still think that's a bad move by Google and Apple. But they're essentially being kicked off the clearnet at this point. Outside of maybe finding some host in Russia, maybe and if it cools down enough to where they won't continue to lose essential infrastructure partners there too. Which it looks like, they definitely will.

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  • Dear parler owners,

    Contact @cociu

    :wink:

  • Well you would not be able to believe anything on Wikipedia and I am Australian. Plenty of confirmed facts they label as conspiracy theories and plenty of intelligent people they label as conspiracy theorists. Just get me a server provider that does not use amazon and I will be happy.

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  • @uzaysan said:
    I'm not american nor a trump supporter. but this is wrong. Amazon rejected hosting parler and Google removed parler app from play store. Apple also threatening them. İ see the point. Trump and supporters creates violents. But trump and his supporters did the same in twitter. But no body rejected hosting Twitter or google didn't remove twitter app from play store. This situation is a giant "i can do fuckever i want and there is nothing you can do about it". As a foreigner, this looks wrong

    Twitter would have loved to tell Trump to fuck off 4 years ago, they were just afraid of the retaliation from the tiny man hands of Trump. He's a bitter, weak man and frequently interferes and harms businesses (Washington Post, Amazon, Google, Apple, etc) and people who don't suck his dick.

    He's at the end of his term, some balls are being dusted off expecting no more retaliation after Trump is gone.

  • https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9134897/Parler-CEO-says-doing-Facebook-Twitter-remove-violent-content.html

    Parler was given 24 hours to find an alternative host but, Matze said, 'Where are you gonna find 300-to-500 servers in a 24-hour window... It's an impossible feat.'

    Only 500 servers?

    This is poor disaster planning.

    I don't understand this commitment developers have to depending on proprietary Amazon services.

    Why depend on businesses whose ideological stance differs from yours and will cut of their relationship with you at the drop of a hat?

    On the other hand as an infrastructure company you wouldn't expect Amazon to get in such partisan behaviour.

    This is the kind of behaviour that was expected from the consumer oriented companies and now the companies who said they wouldn't be evil and would stand up against Big Brother are now engaging in that kind of behaviour.

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  • My god we are in trouble.. read these comments and weep for the freedom of thought we have lost

  • @Nyr said:

    @kaleaware said: Can you please provide examples of "harassment from some media outlets" that have been directed to hosts of inflamattory right-wing platforms (yes, I use inflamattory deliberately). Or is the issue your understanding of the word 'harassment'?

    Since the English language does not have an official dictionary, there is not an authoritative meaning for a word.

    I will go with the Cambridge Dictionary:

    harassment
    noun

    behaviour that annoys or upsets someone

    That's a terrible definition. One person used it to justify a price increase as harassment. In the West, that would be a very pussy thing to call a few dollars price increase as "harassment" due to it being "annoying" or "upsetting". Too much would fall under that definition and in practice in the West, it generally isn't.

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  • _MS__MS_ Member
    edited January 2021

    Let's just stop being People, and go back to being LowEnders.

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  • chihcherngchihcherng Veteran
    edited January 2021

    Why don't Trump, Americans' most-admired man for 2020, and his supporters move to TikTok? Oracle cloud wouldn't act like AWS, right?

  • JasonMJasonM Member
    edited January 2021

    Trump should build his own datacenter, get own ASN, IP, servers, and run his own social media site :P

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  • @JasonM said:
    Trump should build his own datacenter, get own ASN, IP, servers, and run his own social media site :P

    "Dump - where all the Covfefes meet"

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  • Jona4sJona4s Member
    edited January 2021

    TBH I'll only be worried if Visa/MC pulled the plug, like they did with PornHub.

    AWS pff give me a break. Who needs that expensive crap.

    Also, nice statement

    Recently, we’ve seen a steady increase in this violent content on your website, all of which violates our terms. It’s clear that Parler does not have an effective process to comply with the AWS terms of service. It also seems that Parler is still trying to determine its position on content moderation. You remove some violent content when contacted by us or others, but not always with urgency. Your CEO recently stated publicly that he doesn’t “feel responsible for any of this, and neither should the platform.” This morning, you shared that you have a plan to more proactively moderate violent content, but plan to do so manually with volunteers. It’s our view that this nascent plan to use volunteers to promptly identify and remove dangerous content will not work in light of the rapidly growing number of violent posts. This is further demonstrated by the fact that you still have not taken down much of the content that we’ve sent you. Given the unfortunate events that transpired this past week in Washington, D.C., there is serious risk that this type of content will further incite violence.

    AWS provides technology and services to customers across the political spectrum, and we continue to respect Parler’s right to determine for itself what content it will allow on its site. However, we cannot provide services to a customer that is unable to effectively identify and remove content that encourages or incites violence against others. Because Parler cannot comply with our terms of service and poses a very real risk to public safety, we plan to suspend Parler’s account effective Sunday, January 10th, at 11:59PM PST. We will ensure that all of your data is preserved for you to migrate to your own servers, and will work with you as best as we can to help your migration.

    • AWS Trust & Safety Team

    At least they gave him a reason. Oh well.

  • DataIdeas-JoshDataIdeas-Josh Member, Patron Provider

    Companies like AWS, Azure, Google Cloud, DO, Vultr are too big and Visa,Mastercard,Amex will not leave them. MOSTLY the top 3.

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