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Providers, would you host Parler?

farsighterfarsighter Member
edited January 2021 in General
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  1. Would you?85 votes
    1. Yes
      49.41%
    2. No
      50.59%
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Comments

  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    Most providers in this forum are not independent enough to make this decision.

    Of those who can, most are not keen to host a customer like this, because it comes with guaranteed harassment from some media outlets, potential boycotts, personal attacks, etc.

  • I'm not american nor a trump supporter. but this is wrong. Amazon rejected hosting parler and Google removed parler app from play store. Apple also threatening them. İ see the point. Trump and supporters creates violents. But trump and his supporters did the same in twitter. But no body rejected hosting Twitter or google didn't remove twitter app from play store. This situation is a giant "i can do fuckever i want and there is nothing you can do about it". As a foreigner, this looks wrong

  • _MS__MS_ Member
    edited January 2021

    @Nyr said:
    Of those who can, most are not keen to host a customer like this, because it comes with guaranteed harassment from some media outlets, potential boycotts, personal attacks, etc.

    "There is no such thing as bad publicity."
    Some hosts may want that free publicity.

    Or, host because they share/support that side's ideology. Recently, a respected forum member and owner of another forum banned another respected member/community contributor due to political differences. Hosts/service providers are not always neutral, most of the times it's business but it can also be personal.

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  • What's parler?

  • benj0xbenj0x Member
    edited January 2021
  • HostSlickHostSlick Member, Patron Provider

    Yes

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  • Here is Spartan Host Ltd. which hosted 8chan until krebsonsecurity.com debunked it:

    https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/10/qanon-8chan-sites-briefly-knocked-offline

    So yes, if you pay enough, people will take a risk. Money talks.

  • arifurarifur Member
    edited January 2021

    @uzaysan said:
    I'm not american nor a trump supporter. but this is wrong. Amazon rejected hosting parler and Google removed parler app from play store. Apple also threatening them. İ see the point. Trump and supporters creates violents. But trump and his supporters did the same in twitter. But no body rejected hosting Twitter or google didn't remove twitter app from play store. This situation is a giant "i can do fuckever i want and there is nothing you can do about it". As a foreigner, this looks wrong

    I totally agree with you. This is called hypocrisy or double standard

    Edit: BTW I am not an American, I also don't care about US politics or politics in general.

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  • @uzaysan said:
    I'm not american nor a trump supporter. but this is wrong. Amazon rejected hosting parler and Google removed parler app from play store. Apple also threatening them. İ see the point. Trump and supporters creates violents. But trump and his supporters did the same in twitter. But no body rejected hosting Twitter or google didn't remove twitter app from play store. This situation is a giant "i can do fuckever i want and there is nothing you can do about it". As a foreigner, this looks wrong

    No one can actually reject hosting twitter tho.

  • @Nyr said:
    Most providers in this forum are not independent enough to make this decision.

    Of those who can, most are not keen to host a customer like this, because it comes with guaranteed harassment from some media outlets, potential boycotts, personal attacks, etc.

    Exactly this.

    The issue is, most people are on Facebook, Twitter etc. already so anyone not be able to use those platforms will come to Parler and before you know it it's full of extreme right-wing people. It will soon become the sewer of the social media networks.

    Same with Tor, it's purpose was providing uncensored internet to everyone even in countries with great firewalls but for 99% it's only being used to share child porn, sell weapons, drug trafficking, copyright violation etc. so no provider is keen on hosting that either.

    So no, as much as I hate social media I wouldn't host Parler.

    Thanked by 1_MS_
  • He should join us and apply for NanoKVM.

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  • SGrafSGraf Member, Patron Provider
    edited January 2021

    No. As i currently don't have a good enough spare capacity in .us and hosting it in Europe would likely result in a less than optimal user experience, due to the increased round-trip-time.

  • @SGraf said:
    No. As i currently don't have a good enough spare capacity in .us and hosting it in Europe would likely result in a less than optimal user experience, due to the increased round-trip-time.

    Yeaaaah hosting these kinds of things in the EU isn't a good idea anywya.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    Congratulations, USA, you have finally found a way to completely suppress freedom of opinion and speech to a degree possibly worse than certain countries whom you never tire of accusing of not being free. What an achievement!

    No, I'm not a Trump supporter nor do I think that he is a great man or a genius - but I'm sure that the "left", "liberal" Gestapo is just about to create immense damage some of which will take decades to repair.

    One day, so I hope, the lesson will be learned. The remedy against (allegedly or factually) unacceptable or plain false views NEVER is suppression and punishment, but properly proving what is considered correct.
    In fact suppression and punishment fuels, nourishes, and often confirms the views one doesn't like.

    If I hated the USA I'd dance right now and enjoy what's happening there since a while. I warmly wish that both the USA and Parler may recover.

  • RamblerRambler Member
    edited January 2021

    Yeah, of course.

    I'd host an antifa site just as much as I would host a proud boy site.

    Freedom of speech is for everyone, and everyone's money spends the same regardless if I personally align myself with their views or not.

    Parler should just rent a rack or two, unsure how much hardware they'd need to power their site. Colo owned gear, do localized high availability, DC's aren't household names and are less likely to cave to the pressure of SJW cry babies.

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  • JioJio Member

    I see nothing wrong with private companies refusing to do business with another private company.

  • jackbjackb Member, Host Rep
    edited January 2021

    @jsg said:
    Congratulations, USA, you have finally found a way to completely suppress freedom of opinion and speech to a degree possibly worse than certain countries whom you never tire of accusing of not being free. What an achievement!

    No, I'm not a Trump supporter nor do I think that he is a great man or a genius - but I'm sure that the "left", "liberal" Gestapo is just about to create immense damage some of which will take decades to repair.

    One day, so I hope, the lesson will be learned. The remedy against (allegedly or factually) unacceptable or plain false views NEVER is suppression and punishment, but properly proving what is considered correct.
    In fact suppression and punishment fuels, nourishes, and often confirms the views one doesn't like.

    If I hated the USA I'd dance right now and enjoy what's happening there since a while. I warmly wish that both the USA and Parler may recover.

    Freedom of opinion/expression doesn't cover incitement of violence. Private businesses are also free to serve who they like, as long as they're not discriminating on a protected characteristic - so Amazon are perfectly within their rights to cut ties if they wish.

    If the US government were arresting peaceful protestors for voicing their views, I'd agree there was a problem.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited January 2021

    @jackb said:
    Freedom of opinion/expression doesn't cover incitement of violence. ...

    Assertion != Fact.
    I've yet to see a credible court to determine that there was incitement of violence. Plus, and importantly, I've yet to see proper attribution and proof.
    There seem to be indications of both sides being the guilty party (antifa and pro-Trumpers) and it's definitely neither the medias nor the tech-corporations job to (pre-) determine the guilty party.

    And btw, last time I checked it was courts who are to determine guilt - not companies.

    If the US government were arresting peaceful protestors for voicing their views, I'd agree there was a problem.

    Thanks for the laugh, I've learned a whole lot about "peaceful protests" during the last year or so.
    Examples: BLM and antifa crowds looting, detroying, and burning down houses and shops -> "largely peaceful protests". Pro-Trump crowds not only really peacefully protesting and even protecting police officers -> "violent right-wing extremists".

    Well noted, again, I'm not pro (nor anti) Trump, and I'm a European so I probably should enjoy the USA walking towards a Gestapo state, but I don't hate Americans - but I do hate injustice as well as lynching "justice", and that's exactly what I currently see.

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  • JioJio Member

    @jsg said: There seem to be indications of both sides being the guilty party (antifa and pro-Trumpers) and it's definitely neither the medias nor the tech-corporations jub to (pre-) determine the guilty party.

    I lived in US when I had a contractor software role and the most strange thing to me is how unchecked the left became. With the left it's like racism circled in a loop and became racism again. Imagine being brown, yellow, and being told "you are considered white passing and not a person of colour", insane diversity workshop where the "whites and white passing" were split off into a separate shaming class, how the hell did that happen?

    For what it's wirth my thought is the services don't need to host shitty speech and have no obligation to, I have routinely seen Twitter ban leftist accounts that tell people to kill themselves and similar, it is not all one way.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @Jio

    There are also movement seriously(!) demand that the voice of white people should carry less weight while the voice of black people should carry more weight at election. In other words: point blank pure racism ... haven't see Dorsey being concerned about that though. But then that is woke racism and not "evil right-wing" racism (which btw. I've yet to see at all).

    Let's wait and see whether "Gap" stays alive. I don't hold my breath as it's obvious that the "left" Gestapo is growing day by day.

  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    Our Antarctica summer host allows all controversial content, as long as the content is yo.
    yo is the only packet supported on our networks.
    We have peering agreement with other major IPv9 networks, including North Pole and Mars.

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  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @yoursunny said:
    Our Antarctica summer host allows all controversial content, as long as the content is yo.
    yo is the only packet supported on our networks.
    We have peering agreement with other major IPv9 networks, including North Pole and Mars.

    I LOVE your summer host and its connectivity (although a good ISS link should reach 120 Kb/s) but I have a problem: 8 GB disk is more than I need and at the same time I'd like to save some money. Any chances to get a VPS with just 300 MB disk and at a price lower than free?

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  • Propably only big hosting companies can host Parler, I am sure that Parler host will be target of DDoS (Cloudflare is not solution for everything, rofl)

  • @jsg said:

    @yoursunny said:
    Our Antarctica summer host allows all controversial content, as long as the content is yo.
    yo is the only packet supported on our networks.
    We have peering agreement with other major IPv9 networks, including North Pole and Mars.

    I LOVE your summer host and its connectivity (although a good ISS link should reach 120 Kb/s) but I have a problem: 8 GB disk is more than I need and at the same time I'd like to save some money. Any chances to get a VPS with just 300 MB disk and at a price lower than free?

    I can surely offer what you're after for. And as a bonus I'll pay you $7 each month for using it.

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  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @jsg said:

    @yoursunny said:
    Our Antarctica summer host allows all controversial content, as long as the content is yo.
    yo is the only packet supported on our networks.
    We have peering agreement with other major IPv9 networks, including North Pole and Mars.

    I LOVE your summer host and its connectivity (although a good ISS link should reach 120 Kb/s) but I have a problem: 8 GB disk is more than I need and at the same time I'd like to save some money. Any chances to get a VPS with just 300 MB disk and at a price lower than free?

    Sorry buddy, the disk is needed to store the protein bars.
    Packets aren't stored on the disk because there's only one type of packet and information theory says it conveys zero bit of information, so that they compressed down to nothing.


    @lyb9b said:
    Cloudflare is not solution for everything, rofl

    https://bit.ly/sunnyROFL

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  • @Francisco said:
    Sure.

    Francisco

    Do you think Cloudflare would have anything to say about this if Parler opted for your DDoS protection services?

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  • The Parler guys should have seen it coming. Perhaps Parler should try Azure hosting. Microsoft has a tougher stance on such issues.

    The simple truth is Parler's management engineers suck. They should have planned for this and rehearsed it, and should have been ready to switch providers.

    Their servers should be spread out among different providers and coordinated. Performance would be lower but it would still be up.

    These policies will backfire against Google and Amazon eventually, and Stripe as well.

    Once these right-leaning types adopt a long term strategy, they will defeat these providers in the long term. The only reason for depending on them is if you want money from then. If you don't want their money they can't pressure you.

  • what is happening in the u.s.? a firestorm to purify?

  • @rchurch said: Microsoft has a tougher stance on such issues.

    Nope. When government contracts will go to Amazon for this, they will boot anything in a speed of light.

    This is politics. And those who are in a far right will gladly take over this "parler" hosting and smile wide.

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