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No More WHMCS Owned License Sales/Transfers on LET

raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

WHMCS no longer allows license transfers. Since the only way to accomplish a license transfer is the sketchy "sell the whole account" method, we are no longer allowing WHMCS license sales.

The rules have been updated and generalized to cover all software where the vendor doesn't permit third party sales.

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  • thanks dad

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  • ViridWebViridWeb Member, Host Rep

    Make this thread sticky, at least for few months

    Thanked by 2Francisco webcraft
  • JamesFJamesF Member, Host Rep

    Great 👍

  • vpsGODvpsGOD Member, Host Rep

    i am happy to be part of LET which make the industry safe

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @vpsGOD said:
    i am happy to be part of LET which make the industry safe

    lol.

    You slay me.

    Francisco

  • @vpsGOD said: i am happy to be part of LET which make the industry safe

    exists

  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Host Rep

    Can we owners of multiple licenses lease them then?

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  • @randvegeta said:
    Can we owners of multiple licenses lease them then?

    I don't think WHMCS' ToS allow that. And I believe it would be pretty unsafe for companies as you (even though you probably won't) are able to revoke the license causing service interruptions.

    Thanked by 2wdmg randvegeta
  • DamoHGDamoHG Member, Patron Provider

    Warming us up for the inevitable price increase.

    Thanked by 1Francisco
  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Host Rep

    @HyperK9 said:

    @randvegeta said:
    Can we owners of multiple licenses lease them then?

    I don't think WHMCS' ToS allow that. And I believe it would be pretty unsafe for companies as you (even though you probably won't) are able to revoke the license causing service interruptions.

    Hypothetical scenario only. Who cares about a few $10/m.

    That said. Interesting that WHMCS can just cchange their TOS willy nilly.

    You buy a license told you can do XYZ, and years later, they say NOPE! That's not cool.

  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @vpsGOD said:
    i am happy to be part of LET which make the industry safe

    See, the LET CC v4 club is invite only, there is no point in trying to join it by force.
    However, if you shitpost, it gets unlikely.

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  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    @randvegeta said: You buy a license told you can do XYZ, and years later, they say NOPE! That's not cool.

    Does your license actually say that? i.e., the contract you and they agreed to when you bought it?

    I have a feeling this was a policy on their site and was covered in the usual "subject to change without notice".

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    Now, I shall wait for "My WHMCS license got revoked for no reason, SCAM!" threads.

  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Host Rep

    @raindog308 said: Does your license actually say that? i.e., the contract you and they agreed to when you bought it?

    I have a feeling this was a policy on their site and was covered in the usual "subject to change without notice".

    Indeed. It's one of those 'subject to change' bull craps.

    Theoretically, that means they can do all kinds of crap. Such as, state that you must have your installations up to date and patched, otherwise license invalid. And then they can couple that with, you must pay a monthly license update fee of a bagillion dollars.

    I have no intention to sell or lease my licenses. It's a tiny cost for my business, and as such, would represent a tiny amount of revenue. The point is, with such a generic and ambiguous TOS, what you buy can significantly differ to what you get, over time.

    OK, I bought my licenses for sub $300, fully owned years ago, and paid update fees of $50 or whatever it was yearly. So on balance, it has long been cheaper for me to do this rather than to lease monthly. But what was theoretically an asset on the books for ~$1K is now actually worthless. Literally. If I cannot sell the license... okay fine, then at least my company can still use it. But apparently I cannot sell the account now? Meaning I cannot sell my hosting company WITH the license. I know in practice they would probably let it slide, but theoretically if I sold the company, WHMCS could just say... OOH.. LICENSE INVALID and then demand a higher monthly fee.

    Whatever though. It's not big sums we're talking about here, but it doesn't make it less annoying.

  • @randvegeta said: Theoretically, that means they can do all kinds of crap.

    Hey deank, what do you do when someone does all kinds of crap you don't like?

  • I just realized- hosts complain about everyone- every vendor, every ex employee and every customer who dares to submit a ticket or forget to cancel that 3 year old paypal subscription that helped the host buy his beer and steam games. Who do they not complain about?

  • @Unbelievable said:
    I just realized- hosts complain about everyone- every vendor, every ex employee and every customer who dares to submit a ticket or forget to cancel that 3 year old paypal subscription that helped the host buy his beer and steam games. Who do they not complain about?

    Actually, that’s a human nature 😂

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  • I am surpirsed after YEARS, still there is still no decent open source alternative. This is what happened when someone have monopoly. They can do whetever they want, and you can't do shit against it.

  • @yokowasis said:
    I am surpirsed after YEARS, still there is still no decent open source alternative. This is what happened when someone have monopoly. They can do whetever they want, and you can't do shit against it.

    Blesta 99% open source.. and It's very good..

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  • @chocolateshirt said:

    @yokowasis said:
    I am surpirsed after YEARS, still there is still no decent open source alternative. This is what happened when someone have monopoly. They can do whetever they want, and you can't do shit against it.

    Blesta 99% open source.. and It's very good..

    Open Source as in Community Driven like wordpress / Vesta / Hestia , etc. Yes, blesta is very good. But still there is a chance it ends up like whmcs.

    You cant really suddenly be charged for installing wordpress on your website. There should be a community driven project, even better have full compatibilty with WHMCS Plugin / addon, so that the community can say F U to WHMCS team.

  • edited October 2020

    @yokowasis said:

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @yokowasis said:
    I am surpirsed after YEARS, still there is still no decent open source alternative. This is what happened when someone have monopoly. They can do whetever they want, and you can't do shit against it.

    Blesta 99% open source.. and It's very good..

    Open Source as in Community Driven like wordpress / Vesta / Hestia , etc. Yes, blesta is very good. But still there is a chance it ends up like whmcs.

    You cant really suddenly be charged for installing wordpress on your website. There should be a community driven project, even better have full compatibilty with WHMCS Plugin / addon, so that the community can say F U to WHMCS team.

    Well what you are saying is profit oriented, so I believe it would be difficult to develop it as community driven open source project..

  • @yokowasis said:

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @yokowasis said:
    I am surpirsed after YEARS, still there is still no decent open source alternative. This is what happened when someone have monopoly. They can do whetever they want, and you can't do shit against it.

    Blesta 99% open source.. and It's very good..

    Open Source as in Community Driven like wordpress / Vesta / Hestia , etc. Yes, blesta is very good. But still there is a chance it ends up like whmcs.

    You cant really suddenly be charged for installing wordpress on your website. There should be a community driven project, even better have full compatibilty with WHMCS Plugin / addon, so that the community can say F U to WHMCS team.

    It's open-code 99.7% so you can you can edit everything minus the licensing files.

    Paul won't allow it to follow what whmcs are doing to their customers. The guys at Blesta love their customers :) @pphillips

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  • @chocolateshirt said:

    @yokowasis said:

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @yokowasis said:
    I am surpirsed after YEARS, still there is still no decent open source alternative. This is what happened when someone have monopoly. They can do whetever they want, and you can't do shit against it.

    Blesta 99% open source.. and It's very good..

    Open Source as in Community Driven like wordpress / Vesta / Hestia , etc. Yes, blesta is very good. But still there is a chance it ends up like whmcs.

    You cant really suddenly be charged for installing wordpress on your website. There should be a community driven project, even better have full compatibilty with WHMCS Plugin / addon, so that the community can say F U to WHMCS team.

    Well what you are saying is profit oriented, so I believe it would be difficult to develop it as community driven open source project..

    Yes, the problem of all open source project. Lacks of income.

    @Blestastore said:

    @yokowasis said:

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @yokowasis said:
    I am surpirsed after YEARS, still there is still no decent open source alternative. This is what happened when someone have monopoly. They can do whetever they want, and you can't do shit against it.

    Blesta 99% open source.. and It's very good..

    Open Source as in Community Driven like wordpress / Vesta / Hestia , etc. Yes, blesta is very good. But still there is a chance it ends up like whmcs.

    You cant really suddenly be charged for installing wordpress on your website. There should be a community driven project, even better have full compatibilty with WHMCS Plugin / addon, so that the community can say F U to WHMCS team.

    It's open-code 99.7% so you can you can edit everything minus the licensing files.

    Paul won't allow it to follow what whmcs are doing to their customers. The guys at Blesta love their customers :) @pphillips

    For now yes. But People Change. So Does TOS subject to change without notice. What WHMCS does is practically bait and switch. I am not even aware you can do that. We sign a contract when we buy the lifetime license, but they can change the contract on the whim to suit their needs ?

    Even google have more honor than this guys. At least google will grand fathered old gsuite account instead of forcing new pricing.

    My point being, if WHMCS can get away with (what I call) breaching a contract and get away with it, what stopping other company to do the same ?

    There is still a possibility Blesta will change into 100% closed source. Maybe it's slim, but it still exists. After all, company can change their TOS to whatever they want, and we can't do shit against it.

    The thing with open source project like wordpress is, it start with open source, and will always be open source. no TOS, no BS.

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    @PHDan said:
    Hey deank, what do you do when someone does all kinds of crap you don't like?

    Me doesn't care.

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran
    edited October 2020

    @yokowasis said: My point being, if WHMCS can get away with (what I call) breaching a contract and get away with it, what stopping other company to do the same ?

    They did not breach the contract because there was never a guarantee in the contract that you could transfer the license.

    "2.2 License Transfers. The Software is licensed only to You. You may not rent, lease, sub-license, sell, assign, pledge, transfer or otherwise dispose of the Software, on a temporary or permanent basis, without the prior written consent of WHMCS Limited. (For the avoidance of doubt, this license is only granted to one person or company and if more than one person or company wishes to use the Software, each user must purchase a separate license)."

    Last Updated: 26th March 2018

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  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Host Rep

    @raindog308 said:

    @yokowasis said: My point being, if WHMCS can get away with (what I call) breaching a contract and get away with it, what stopping other company to do the same ?

    They did not breach the contract because there was never a guarantee in the contract that you could transfer the license.

    "2.2 License Transfers. The Software is licensed only to You. You may not rent, lease, sub-license, sell, assign, pledge, transfer or otherwise dispose of the Software, on a temporary or permanent basis, without the prior written consent of WHMCS Limited. (For the avoidance of doubt, this license is only granted to one person or company and if more than one person or company wishes to use the Software, each user must purchase a separate license)."

    Last Updated: 26th March 2018

    What about people who bought licenses back in 2010?

    New clauses added years after the fact.

    Basically, the contract is meaningless. The saving grace to all this is that for hosting companies that are of any reasonable size, is that the amounts being discussed here are trivial. And over the period of 10 years, savings may be in the thousands, relative to paying monthly.

    So my view is, we who have purchased owned licenses have bee stiffed, but also made more than our money's worth. Contract is meaningless, and not honored, but in the grand scheme of things, not a big deal. So need some perspective.

    I dont like the direction of whmcs or cpanel or a bunch of other stuff. But I'll continue to use them for as long as it makes sense. Cpanel is definitely on the way out. I expect my cpanel servers to drop to 0 or 1 within the next 2 years.

  • Honestly just provide a copy of your contract and tell them you are enforcing it and all its provisions. The will read it and enforce every provision that can limit you. Oh, didnt keep a copy? Such is life

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  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Host Rep

    @Unbelievable said:
    Honestly just provide a copy of your contract and tell them you are enforcing it and all its provisions. The will read it and enforce every provision that can limit you. Oh, didnt keep a copy? Such is life

    As I said. It's not big sums. As such, not worth the hassle. I do actually have the original license agreement, but I suspect they get superseded with each software update.

    Presumably the argument would then be that I can only sell the licenses upto a certain update. Ones riddled with exploits.

    Not that I plan on selling any way.

  • WSWDWSWD Member, Host Rep

    @Unbelievable said:
    Honestly just provide a copy of your contract and tell them you are enforcing it and all its provisions. The will read it and enforce every provision that can limit you. Oh, didnt keep a copy? Such is life

    Funny...I just so happen to have the terms I agreed to in October 2010 when I bought my license. License transfers are right there. Weren't expecting that one were you? ;)

    Policies & Information
    End User License Agreement

    The EULA Agreement is included in the WHMCS download package. By installing, copying, or otherwise using WHMCS, you agree to be bound by the terms of the EULA.
    Delivery Policy

    All licenses are issued instantly upon receipt of payment. Should your payment turn out to be fraudulent, the license will be suspended and you will be expected to repay the amount and any fees incurred.

    Our professional services usually take between 24 & 48 hours for completion but at peak times such as new releases, they may take slightly longer.
    License Transfer Policy

    We allow owned licenses bought directly from us to be sold and transferred between people. Licenses obtained through a reseller cannot be resold. Before any sale or transfer, the seller should contact us to notify us of the sale. Once a buyer has been found, both the buyer and seller should contact us to arrange the transfer and payment of the $20 transfer fee. A license can only be resold once.

    Addons may be transferred between licenses within your own client account but not resold or transferred to other clients.
    Refunds Policy

    Refunds are only issued for software failure. Refunds are not issued for server failure/issues, lack of features or if your server does not meet the Software Requirements. Refunds are determined on individual circumstances and only issued once our technical staff determine that WHMCS has a fault causing it to not run on your server. Installation charges are not refundable under any circumstances. Refunds are not available after 1 month from the purchase date.

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    @WSWD said:
    Funny...I just so happen to have the terms I agreed to in October 2010 when I bought my license. License transfers are right there.

    Then I'd say you have a strong case.

    Now you just need someone who wants to transfer and has a 2010 EULA license to contact them, get denied, and sue.

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