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  • I mostly come here for the drama

  • @EAgency said: You completely refuse to give any evidence that your data is valid and even make fun of it, when it would be really easy to say hey this guy actually has a point and it doesn't hurt if I just record my testing sessions and upload them somewhere so people can be sure the data I provide is valid and I actually did test this provider. It's something that doesn't hurt you but gives your word even more credibility and doesn't cost you a notary, two witnesses and a camera. Brother you are doing an IT Service review, you are not doing a porn movie.

    Start free screen recording, end free screen recording when done, upload to free service. Done. 100% more credible JSG reviews.

    Although I agree with a number of your points, I'm willing to believe that @jsg's data/numbers are valid -- I don't think that he's doctoring the data/numbers.

    It's another question how he obtained the data/numbers,* and what some of them really show/mean.

    *I believe that he uses his own benchmarking tool (if he doesn't say otherwise)

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  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @TimboJones said:
    Why no comment on the absolute shitty 10.85MB/s? (and spare the novel.) That was my point.

    Because I'm not repeating my - already given - explanation over and over again just because TimboJones feels like it (Actually that guy is insane enough to also try to dictate how I answer)..

    Holy shit, it takes you several hours to run script once?

    Thanks for proving what was evident anyways: You don't know what you are talking about, you don't understand the matter, and you do not even read explanations - but have a big mouth.

    I don't run my "script" (which actually is not a script, but hey, since when does TimboJones care about technical facts ...) ONCE. I run my benchmark many times over a given test time frame (typ. 2 or 3 days) and at different times of the day and night and in different density. Once that is done I process the data and do calculations. And then I write a review.

    Why don't you write your own benchmark and publish your own reviews, Mr. KnowsEverythingBetter? But then complaining, demanding, and belittling is so much easier ...

  • I do not even read any post that is larger than 5 lines

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @angstrom said:
    *I believe that he uses his own benchmarking tool (if he doesn't say otherwise)

    Your assumption is correct - and by no means a secret. I wrote about it. I also wrote about why I developed my own benchmark and why I designed it the way it is.

    Funnily my benchmark and my reviews are good enough for quite some providers (meanwhile) to ask me for a private run (not published, no review) because they understand that my benchmark actually delivers a basis for them to discover weak points in their products and to then improve them. So it seems I wasn't totally off and wrong designing a different benchmark.

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  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @tgl said:
    I do not even read any post that is larger than 5 lines

    Thank you for sharing that immensely valuable information.

    [just to cross the 5 lines boundary]
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  • @jsg no problem

    About the tool, I saw you run it on FreeBSD, I would make sure ipfw is stopped when testing the network, as I had some bad experiences with it enabled. (big slowdowns)

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @tgl said:
    @jsg no problem

    About the tool, I saw you run it on FreeBSD, I would make sure ipfw is stopped when testing the network, as I had some bad experiences with it enabled. (big slowdowns)

    As I've explained multiple times I use FreeBSD for testing because it leads to more honest results (linux tricks heavily).
    And I never have a firewall - or anything except my benchmark - running on test systems.

    But your remark is interesting anyway and I'll occasionally look into it and test it out. Thanks.

  • grrr im so angry i'm going to masturbate to midget porn

  • Dear lord jsg must be related to bsdguy. Or a personality thereof.

  • SirFoxySirFoxy Member
    edited November 2019

    I fux with jsg, bsd, and wss. Them boys smart.

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  • @jsg said:

    @TimboJones said:
    Why no comment on the absolute shitty 10.85MB/s? (and spare the novel.) That was my point.

    Because I'm not repeating my - already given - explanation over and over again just because TimboJones feels like it (Actually that guy is insane enough to also try to dictate how I answer)..

    Holy shit, it takes you several hours to run script once?

    Thanks for proving what was evident anyways: You don't know what you are talking about, you don't understand the matter, and you do not even read explanations - but have a big mouth.

    I don't run my "script" (which actually is not a script, but hey, since when does TimboJones care about technical facts ...) ONCE. I run my benchmark many times over a given test time frame (typ. 2 or 3 days) and at different times of the day and night and in different density. Once that is done I process the data and do calculations. And then I write a review.

    Why don't you write your own benchmark and publish your own reviews, Mr. KnowsEverythingBetter? But then complaining, demanding, and belittling is so much easier ...

    Where is your explanation that 10.85MB/s is a good number? You didn't explain Jack shit. I have no idea wtf you're talking about when you say you've explained it already. You say "The disk seems to be solid SSD. Not much to say other than it shows typical SSD results. Nothing to complain about but neither something to write home about."

    I keep harping about comparison and the 10.85 number because it's wildly lower than other benchmarks you've done. And this would be blindly evident with basic comparison. It's not even that much data to spreadsheet.

    You're trying to pull that move where you do a shit job at washing the dishes and when people complain the food is still stuck on the plates, you freak out and say, "if you don't like how I'm doing the dishes, you do them". No, I just want you to do them properly. Half assing and thinking you're doing a good job when you really aren't.

    Again, you missed the point about documenting your test results. You took it over random periods and then averaged them. How is that fucking useful? You're just burying the data from any useful analysis. And then you say you don't use a script, so how do you think you'd get a consistent and reliable test that removes human error?

    I have no desire or incentives to write a public benchmark and review. I feedback any issues I experience directly to vendors I use. I have much better use of my time than doing reviews. None of that gives you cover for doing a half ass review. I already said previously centminmod benchmarks are the grail of reviews and yours are worthless.

    You talk and talk about shit that doesn't matter (whole second paragraph) and don't talk about the shit that does ("I don't know how good or bad their support is because my interaction was quite limited; they reacted quickly however." ) it's not the first time excluding your secret feedback rather than just say wtf you said.

    I don't think you have a boss, you work for yourself, right?

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @TimboJones

    Try to give that speech to a wall.It might be successful. With me it's certainly not.

    I already said previously centminmod benchmarks are the grail of reviews and yours are worthless.

    So? Then read, enjoy and comment those.

  • dahartigandahartigan Member
    edited November 2019

    TimboJones said: I have no desire or incentives to write a public benchmark and review. I feedback any issues I experience directly to vendors I use. I have much better use of my time than doing reviews.

    Here's a thought: Why don't you actually contribute something to the community for once instead of complaining about what others contribute? You state you don't have the time to write a review, but you seem to have an abundance of time to write walls of text on LET.

    Secondly, @jsg is a respected member of this community. That's something he has earned through his contributions.

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  • jsg said: I'll keep it short.

    You are in full defense mode. You still have not understood that I am not attacking you. I just try to show you why someone making a buying decision would be sceptical of your reviews and the value they have for making said buying decision and gave you a few tips what I think would make your reviews actually valuable to make an informed buying decision and a lot more credible. If people want to suck up to you and trust you blindly that's ok, but there are smarter people out there who question validity of data and that is a good thing. That way nobody believes a fat idiot on national TV who draws with sharpie on maps f.e.

    I am very sorry you are too insecure to handle proper criticism. This is going to be biting you in the ass IRL sooner or later so you should work on that.

    jsg said: Btw, you are not speaking for many. In fact you are the only one so far demanding for example to provide evidence on youtube.

    Where do I demand anything? You said you obviously needed a notary, witnesses and a camera to make your review more credible I told you no, you have free tools availabale and not much effort to do so. Sure video can be faked but that's a ton more effort than just copy pasting some numbers and switching them around.

    I explicitly said it's your review and your process and your decision how to handle the points I am concerned about and you clearly state that you are not interested to change any of that because you don't care what a potential buyer thinks. That concludes it for me that you are not interested in providing any value for users on this website with your reviews that want to decide if a provider offering you review is interesting or not or even worth buying.

    jsg said: You've written 42 posts so far and quite a few of them are clearly anti @cociu, some of them even accuse cociu of selling fake watches. That you now appear in a thread reviewing a hoster who regularly sh_ts in cociu's threads and try to rip that not so great for that provider review apart seems to suggest your true motives.

    I don't need to write hundreds of post, most of the time I try to give some value with my posts or simply my personal opinion ( and getting dragged into the one or other meme likek cociou sisters ). The amount of posts does not matter in the slightest of how valuable your contribution to a website is. I can do a million the end is nigh or shitposts that help nobody if I'd like to waste the time to do so.

    This has also nothing to do with cocius HostSolutions or dedicat_server. I even said that I disagree with you on your statement about "bad service" from HS because I had a very good experience with them performance wise and service wise and only cancelled because the DDOS outages were getting out of hand. Which was showcasing the "Your mileage may vary point" pretty well.

    About your little personal attack there, why don't you fullquote me when you try to "smear without evidence"? Oh right, because it would make you look like an idiot who tries to spin a narrative. That surely helps your credibility.

    @EAgency said:

    donli said: It's replica perfume not watches.

    are you sure?
    https://i.imgur.com/NvhJ6TL.jpg

    https://archive.is/en.hostsolutions.ro is an official hostsolutions domain that btw still hosts the bare bones of a replica watch forum. I put an archive link just in case this magically dissapears now. I don't see what's wrong stating facts that suggest that someone is not just selling "perfume" or "sisters" if the subdomain that belongs to the domain only hostsolutions have control over and that is listed as an official point of access in multiple sales threads is pointing to a replica watch forum.

    You have time to spend on researching my posts and trying to spin a false narrative that tries to discredit me but not to validate your data or even your accusations. Do you think that was a smart move? I don't think so. And that kinda puts your reputation and reviews in a bad light as well. Because is someone who is willing to go that low and malicious to distract from a less than ideal reviewing process really a honest person?

    jsg said: As for yourself I suggest you first contribute a bit more to our community and earn some standing before trying another dirty hit.

    Thank you for the sound advise, I'll for sure consider it and I am always glad about people being open with me. I live and learn.

    Maybe in return you cool down in a few days and reflect about yourself as well. Because life is too short to be an asshole like that and make false claims and spin false narratives for the sake of "winning" an argument on the Internet when someone just tries to be helpful to you.

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  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @EAgency said:
    when someone just tries to be helpful to you.

    "Well meant" often is "poorly done". And btw I never asked for your "help".

    But I'll show some good will: I'll read this thread again in a couple of days.

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  • @EAgency said:

    jsg said: I'll keep it short.

    You are in full defense mode. You still have not understood that I am not attacking you. I just try to show you why someone making a buying decision would be sceptical of your reviews and the value they have for making said buying decision and gave you a few tips what I think would make your reviews actually valuable to make an informed buying decision and a lot more credible. If people want to suck up to you and trust you blindly that's ok, but there are smarter people out there who question validity of data and that is a good thing. That way nobody believes a fat idiot on national TV who draws with sharpie on maps f.e.

    I am very sorry you are too insecure to handle proper criticism. This is going to be biting you in the ass IRL sooner or later so you should work on that.

    jsg said: Btw, you are not speaking for many. In fact you are the only one so far demanding for example to provide evidence on youtube.

    Where do I demand anything? You said you obviously needed a notary, witnesses and a camera to make your review more credible I told you no, you have free tools availabale and not much effort to do so. Sure video can be faked but that's a ton more effort than just copy pasting some numbers and switching them around.

    I explicitly said it's your review and your process and your decision how to handle the points I am concerned about and you clearly state that you are not interested to change any of that because you don't care what a potential buyer thinks. That concludes it for me that you are not interested in providing any value for users on this website with your reviews that want to decide if a provider offering you review is interesting or not or even worth buying.

    jsg said: You've written 42 posts so far and quite a few of them are clearly anti @cociu, some of them even accuse cociu of selling fake watches. That you now appear in a thread reviewing a hoster who regularly sh_ts in cociu's threads and try to rip that not so great for that provider review apart seems to suggest your true motives.

    I don't need to write hundreds of post, most of the time I try to give some value with my posts or simply my personal opinion ( and getting dragged into the one or other meme likek cociou sisters ). The amount of posts does not matter in the slightest of how valuable your contribution to a website is. I can do a million the end is nigh or shitposts that help nobody if I'd like to waste the time to do so.

    This has also nothing to do with cocius HostSolutions or dedicat_server. I even said that I disagree with you on your statement about "bad service" from HS because I had a very good experience with them performance wise and service wise and only cancelled because the DDOS outages were getting out of hand. Which was showcasing the "Your mileage may vary point" pretty well.

    About your little personal attack there, why don't you fullquote me when you try to "smear without evidence"? Oh right, because it would make you look like an idiot who tries to spin a narrative. That surely helps your credibility.

    @EAgency said:

    donli said: It's replica perfume not watches.

    are you sure?
    https://i.imgur.com/NvhJ6TL.jpg

    https://archive.is/en.hostsolutions.ro is an official hostsolutions domain that btw still hosts the bare bones of a replica watch forum. I put an archive link just in case this magically dissapears now. I don't see what's wrong stating facts that suggest that someone is not just selling "perfume" or "sisters" if the subdomain that belongs to the domain only hostsolutions have control over and that is listed as an official point of access in multiple sales threads is pointing to a replica watch forum.

    You have time to spend on researching my posts and trying to spin a false narrative that tries to discredit me but not to validate your data or even your accusations. Do you think that was a smart move? I don't think so. And that kinda puts your reputation and reviews in a bad light as well. Because is someone who is willing to go that low and malicious to distract from a less than ideal reviewing process really a honest person?

    jsg said: As for yourself I suggest you first contribute a bit more to our community and earn some standing before trying another dirty hit.

    Thank you for the sound advise, I'll for sure consider it and I am always glad about people being open with me. I live and learn.

    Maybe in return you cool down in a few days and reflect about yourself as well. Because life is too short to be an asshole like that and make false claims and spin false narratives for the sake of "winning" an argument on the Internet when someone just tries to be helpful to you.

    bitch I'm the only one allowed to fuck with jsg swerve yourself

  • @dahartigan said:

    TimboJones said: I have no desire or incentives to write a public benchmark and review. I feedback any issues I experience directly to vendors I use. I have much better use of my time than doing reviews.

    Here's a thought: Why don't you actually contribute something to the community for once instead of complaining about what others contribute? You state you don't have the time to write a review, but you seem to have an abundance of time to write walls of text on LET.

    Secondly, @jsg is a respected member of this community. That's something he has earned through his contributions.

    Asking him to actually contribute? He has an unrespected record on LET for being full of two things: himself and crap.

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  • The wall of texts casting aspersions on @jsg's intentions are all rubbish. I have picked up some boxes following his reviews and sorry to disappoint devotees of tin foil cults, my own private benching broadly shows similar conclusions. You are all better off spending the time actually verifying his conclusions instead of farting imaginary things without proper evidence from your mouths.

  • D) dicks

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  • poisson said: You are all better off spending the time actually verifying his conclusions instead of farting imaginary things without proper evidence from your mouths.

    Ok Boss.

    His conclusion:

    jsg said: HostSolutions whose support is ridiculously poor

    Personal experience as an actual customer:

    EAgency said: My last ticket with HS was 26/08/2019 (04:22) and it was answered at 26/08/2019 (07:13) and problem solved by 26/08/2019 (07:24).

    Proof: https://imgur.com/UzmNM9s

    Do you call 3hours to reply and fix a problem that occured at 4am in the morning ridiculously poor customer service?

    Is it wrong to suggest to someone who's already wrong with another conclusion that it would be nice to have the possibility to verify that his numbers / process is adding up so the conclusion he makes about this provider in this thread is actual credible and justified?

    I don't think so but maybe I am just super weird if it comes to standards on this website. You make your own mind up about that.

    Let us know in the next Episode of "The LET Boys Club comes to the rescue".

    The purpose of a review is that it gives me a chance as a potential customer to evaluate a product / service from a real customers perspective that is actually and ideally using the product / service long term.

    If I have to get into a contract with a company and buy the service to verify the conclusions of the reviewer it's not having the purpose a review should have. It should deliver facts on a service / provider beyond reasonable doubt to be a credible tool to base a buying decision on.

    Ideally that means that the review is not paid for, the product is not gifted and it's tested under real world conditions by someone who actually makes proper use of it in a real world use case. But that goes down the river when someone is provided with special priviledges or versions of that product by the manufacturer and then tries to base conclusions about the service / product that is sold to other custmers he did not even test in the first place.

    I give up. This is a lost cause.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @EAgency

    This is a lost cause.

    Arguing that HS's support is not ridiculously bad is indeed a lost cause.

    Please note that I am not against HostSolutions. I take no pleasure in my statement about their support and there are btw. plenty of users experiences available that confirm my impression.

    Actually, if I like anything wrt HS then it's that @cociu keeps his promise this time and really considerably improves his support. I'd like that, I'd be delighted to publicly state that his support is OK (or even good) if things happen to evolve in that direction.

    The more good providers we have here the better for everyone. Simple as that.

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  • @EAgency said:

    jsg said: HostSolutions whose support is ridiculously poor

    Personal experience as an actual customer:

    EAgency said: My last ticket with HS was 26/08/2019 (04:22) and it was answered at 26/08/2019 (07:13) and problem solved by 26/08/2019 (07:24).

    Proof: https://imgur.com/UzmNM9s

    Do you call 3hours to reply and fix a problem that occured at 4am in the morning ridiculously poor customer service?

    Based on historical data, Hostsolutions has had terrible customer service. That does not mean everyone always has bad service. It just means out of ten service requests, maybe around 5 or more would be poor. There is ample evidence on LET, and @cociu himself admitted as much regarding ticket support. Your reasoning committed the "a swallow maketh a summer" fallacy.

    You are more likely than not the real lost cause.

  • vimalwarevimalware Member
    edited November 2019

    --deleted HUGE gif. checked size only now facepalm--

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  • EAgencyEAgency Member
    edited November 2019

    @jsg I never intended to say you put HS in a bad light.

    But that "HostSolutions whose support is ridiculously poor" is the conclusion you came to and the Statement you made publicly is a fact and @poisson asked for an example where you possibly made a wrong conclusion.

    poisson said: Based on historical data, Hostsolutions has had terrible customer service.

    You present this as a fact. Show me that historical data.

    To come to that conclusion you are simply missing a lot of data and I doubt you even have access to the kind of data you need to come to that conclusion and that shows me that you have no fucking clue what you are talking about when it comes to statistics.

    First of all you need to find out how many customers HostSolutions has to figure out the percentage that complain on LET about the customer service. Do you have that data?

    So maybe only 5% of HS customers come to LET at all and complain. But you can't back up that claim.

    If you have valid data on this I'd love to see it. Otherwise this is just a statement made from your own perception that you pulled out of your ass to sound like you know what you are talking about. Just like this review that statement has 0 value for anyone who wants to find out how good or bad HS customer service really is.

    Cociou uses a lot of wrong words in his replies. I am not even sure he would ever say he has bad customer service, just that it needs improvement and be quicker. But name me one company where that is not the case? Everyone wants to improve and be better and provide a better experience for their customers.

    You see how important it is to have valid data to make conclusions about something that is potentially damaging to someones business and the ability to provide for his family?

    It's also scientifically proven that people share bad experiences more than 50% more likely than positive ones and in case of online reviews less than 2% of actual customers write about their experiences at all.

    The people complaining about HS customer support on LET might not be representative at all.
    You can't even proof what percentage of those are real customers. There is no verification that you need to be customer of said provider to post negatively in one of his threads. Everyone can open fifty accounts and complain about services of anyone.

    A lot bigger companies figured out that the people who scream the loudest on their forums are actually a minority of their customer base using their products f.e. Blizzard Entertainment and they shouldn't make any business decisions based on how loud that minority can scream.

    Think about it, when was the last time you wrote an online review about the cutlery you are probably eating your food with for years that is reliable, and works as it should. You simply don't because it works and you don't spend time thinking about going online and writing how awesome that fork is you stuff food in your face with every day.

    If someone asks you about a recommendation for cutlery you'll most likely be able to make a great recommendation based on your experiences but you know what kind of reviews you see about forks online? The ones that break, rust and get stuck in someones eye.

    So stop pulling made up shit out of your asses and actually back up your claims.
    You say there is historical data, show me. You say you know what percentage of HS customers complain about customer service on LET, show me.

    If it's that easy to prove me wrong I'll happily apologize for being wrong. But if you can't, just stfu and keep your made up pseudo facts to yourself.

  • Apart from formatting, there is no reason to discredit OPs efforts. FFS let people like him do what they do best for the better

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  • @EAgency said:

    poisson said: Based on historical data, Hostsolutions has had terrible customer service.

    You present this as a fact. Show me that historical data.

    I told you where to find it. You are hardworking enough to post walls of text but lazy enough to ask people to consolidate the information to spoonfeed you.

  • @poisson said:

    @dahartigan said:

    TimboJones said: I have no desire or incentives to write a public benchmark and review. I feedback any issues I experience directly to vendors I use. I have much better use of my time than doing reviews.

    Here's a thought: Why don't you actually contribute something to the community for once instead of complaining about what others contribute? You state you don't have the time to write a review, but you seem to have an abundance of time to write walls of text on LET.

    Secondly, @jsg is a respected member of this community. That's something he has earned through his contributions.

    Asking him to actually contribute? He has an unrespected record on LET for being full of two things: himself and crap.
    @poisson said:

    @EAgency said:

    jsg said: HostSolutions whose support is ridiculously poor

    Personal experience as an actual customer:

    EAgency said: My last ticket with HS was 26/08/2019 (04:22) and it was answered at 26/08/2019 (07:13) and problem solved by 26/08/2019 (07:24).

    Proof: https://imgur.com/UzmNM9s

    Do you call 3hours to reply and fix a problem that occured at 4am in the morning ridiculously poor customer service?

    Based on historical data, Hostsolutions has had terrible customer service. That does not mean everyone always has bad service. It just means out of ten service requests, maybe around 5 or more would be poor. There is ample evidence on LET, and @cociu himself admitted as much regarding ticket support. Your reasoning committed the "a swallow maketh a summer" fallacy.

    You are more likely than not the real lost cause.

    I think you will find those who complain about cociu's support to be the ones who open endless tickets with very little detail, or frivolous requests/demands. They would account for a lot, if not the majority, in my opinion, of the cociu naysayers.

  • poisson said: I told you where to find it. You are hardworking enough to post walls of text but lazy enough to ask people to consolidate the information to spoonfeed you.

    That's not how it works. If you make false and misleading claims and get caught red handed it's on you to prove that you actually reviewed that historical data ( which should be easily accessible to you if you did ) to not look like a complete idiot.

    I called you out on your Bullshit and that's what it is until you back it up. It's your credibility on the line not mine.

  • @EAgency said:

    poisson said: I told you where to find it. You are hardworking enough to post walls of text but lazy enough to ask people to consolidate the information to spoonfeed you.

    That's not how it works. If you make false and misleading claims and get caught red handed it's on you to prove that you actually reviewed that historical data ( which should be easily accessible to you if you did ) to not look like a complete idiot.

    I called you out on your Bullshit and that's what it is until you back it up. It's your credibility on the line not mine.

    You didn't call bullshit. You called your own laziness to use the search function on LET.

    By the way, I am a happy @cociu customer. Doesn't erase the fact that the historical service quality in terms of tickets was subpar.

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