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Kazakhstan begins nationwide HTTPS MITM, requiring everyone to install root certificate.

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  • uptimeuptime Member
    edited July 2019

    Very nice, how much?

  • adxnadxn Member, Host Rep
    edited July 2019

  • Kazakhstan no longer produce superior potassium.

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  • Vova1234Vova1234 Member, Patron Provider
    edited July 2019

    Each country introduces its virtual boundaries in the coming decades, it will be even more noticeable. This is only on hand salesmen servers hosters.

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  • uptimeuptime Member

    @Vova1234 said:
    This is only on hand salesmen servers.

    The meaning of that idiom eludes me.

    I am confuse.

    Be so kind as to enlighten for the cognitively impared? :)

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  • @Vova1234 said:
    Each country introduces its virtual boundaries in the coming decades, it will be even more noticeable. This is only on hand salesmen servers.

    Honestly, this kinda scares me a bit. I'd hate to see a time when the entire purpose of the internet as being beyond borders is ruined by governments that want to keep everyone in their backyard.

  • uptimeuptime Member

    @ehhthing said:
    Honestly, this kinda scares me a bit. I'd hate to see a time when the entire purpose of the internet as being beyond borders is ruined [...]

    Porn, uhmm ... finds a way.

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  • Vova1234Vova1234 Member, Patron Provider
    edited July 2019

    uptime said:
    Be so kind as to enlighten for the cognitively impared?

    Google translator crookedly translated.

    Every ban on the Internet is a plus to sales. This plays into the hands of hosters. So that sites and services buy locations and more servers to be available.

    For example, the most popular service now is Windows servers through client restrictions. The same Iran. Fully Iranians buy servers in batches through resellers and pay directly through the perfectmoney and crypto.

    Honestly, this kinda scares me a bit. I'd hate to see a time when the entire purpose of the internet as being beyond borders is ruined by governments that want to keep everyone in their backyard.

    There's no such thing. Do what you want, that's what the CIS is.

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  • ehhthingehhthing Member
    edited July 2019

    @uptime said:

    @ehhthing said:
    Honestly, this kinda scares me a bit. I'd hate to see a time when the entire purpose of the internet as being beyond borders is ruined [...]

    Porn, uhmm ... finds a way.

    Always :wink:

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  • uptimeuptime Member
    edited July 2019

    @Vova1234 said:

    uptime said:
    Be so kind as to enlighten for the cognitively impared?

    Google translator crookedly translated.

    Пердит мама ходит на тонких яйцах!

    Fartmother walks on thin eggs!

  • Vova1234Vova1234 Member, Patron Provider
    edited July 2019

    uptime said:
    Пердит мама ходит на тонких яйцах!

    Fartmother walks on thin eggs!

    Разве у мамы могут быть яйца? Если у бабушки есть яйца, то это дедушка!

  • Vova1234Vova1234 Member, Patron Provider
    edited July 2019

    But this problem with HTTPS can be circumvented through a UDP proxy.

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  • uptimeuptime Member

    @Vova1234 said:
    [...]
    Do what you want, that's what the CIS is.

    Thanks for the explanation.

    One more question - do you mean CIS as in Computer Information Systems? Or (guessing perhaps more likely) "Commonwealth of Independent States (formerly the USSR)" which would include Kazakhstan?

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  • Vova1234Vova1234 Member, Patron Provider
    edited July 2019

    Thanks for the explanation.

    Just to understand the mentality you have to live here.

    uptime said: "Commonwealth of Independent States (formerly the USSR)" which would include Kazakhstan?

    CIS - СНГ. All countries (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Armenia and etc). All countries of the former USSR are the same. Only minor differences are invisible. 80% of the CIS population speaks Russian, and the one who does not speak, understands well. The rest of this country clones.

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  • xaocxaoc Member

    @Vova1234 said:

    uptime said:
    Пердит мама ходит на тонких яйцах!

    Fartmother walks on thin eggs!

    Разве у мамы могут быть яйца? Если у бабушки есть яйца, то это дедушка!

    Ну это уже дискриминация... 😂

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  • uptimeuptime Member
    edited July 2019

    @Vova1234 said:

    uptime said:
    Пердит мама ходит на тонких яйцах!

    Fartmother walks on thin eggs!

    Разве у мамы могут быть яйца? Если у бабушки есть яйца, то это дедушка!

    Translation (?) Can mothers have eggs? If grandma has eggs, then this is grandpa!

    @xaoc said:
    Ну это уже дискриминация... 😂

    Translation (?) Well, this is discrimination

    Aaaand ... now I'm on a list! ("Mostly harmless, possibly a useful idiot. Better to ignore.")

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  • xaocxaoc Member

    @uptime said:

    @Vova1234 said:

    uptime said:
    Пердит мама ходит на тонких яйцах!

    Fartmother walks on thin eggs!

    Разве у мамы могут быть яйца? Если у бабушки есть яйца, то это дедушка!

    Translation (?) Can mothers have eggs? If grandma has eggs, then this is grandpa!

    @xaoc said:
    Ну это уже дискриминация... 😂

    Translation (?) Well, this is discrimination

    Aaaand ... now I'm on a list! ("Mostly harmless, possibly a useful idiot. Better to ignore.")

    Vova's part translates as testicles not eggs. :))

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  • RedSoxRedSox Member

    @Vova1234 said:
    CIS - СНГ. All countries (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Armenia and etc). All countries of the former USSR are the same. Only minor differences are invisible. 80% of the CIS population speaks Russian, and the one who does not speak, understands well. The rest of this country clones.

    Ukraine withdrew representatives from all statutory bodies of CIS in 2018.

    Vova1234 said: Разве у мамы могут быть яйца? Если у бабушки есть яйца, то это дедушка!

    Lol true.

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  • uptimeuptime Member
    edited July 2019

    with respect to Kazakhstan, I am now reminded that the most excellent Sci-Hub project began there in 2011.

  • Imagine 2019 without letsencrypt and Google mandating https for ranking.

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  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    We have plenty of evidence that entities in/from USA, UK, and other western countries actually did f_ck, eavesdrop, and sell out people all over the planet - but hey, those are the "good countries", so let's just ignore the evidence and instead accuse Russia and everything even remotely "russian" even though there has rarely been real evidence.

    Plus "SSH and security"? Are you joking? I'd have a hard time finding any major software more or even just similarly rotten as SSL/TLS/SSH.

    Plus: pretty much every country (read: any country with any internet worth mentioning) can - and most actually do - have more or less obvious regulations that allow them to f_ck, intercept, eavesdrop, etc. on people; for the good of the people only, of course (e.g. "national security"). And if not, there is little but a bunch of politician between the people and more rigorous new regulations.

    So what some here seem to be shocked by actually is (a) hardly surprising, (b) hardly uncommon, and (c) hardly even close to what the "good" countries do since many years.

    I'm not worried about Kazakhstan beginning "nationwide https mitm" for more reasons than the fact that they can not possibly listen in on all communications (but almost certainly only on quite few). In other words: that whole thing is simply a country doing in "that modern internet thing" what they do since decades with "old world" tech already anyway.

    The real news here (as usually) is not "country X is eavesdropping on everyone!!!" but rather "the politicians in country X finally woke up and noticed that there is that modern "internet thing" which of course they want to be able to control".

    If you want to be afraid I suggest to be afraid of the series of major f_ckups of SSL/TLS/SSH, etc.

  • vimalwarevimalware Member
    edited July 2019

    If it makes ^anyone^ happy, I expect the BRIC bloc countries to embrace total surveillance as a tool of policy, in coming years.

    Doesn't mean I have to lie down and take it.

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  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited July 2019

    @vimalware said:
    If it makes ^anyone^ happy, I expect the BRIC bloc countries to embrace total surveillance as a tool of policy, in coming years.

    Doesn't mean I have to lie down and take it.

    Show me a politician in any country who do not control whatever they can.

    I think it just looks particularly smelly this time because (a) in the old world there was no internet and hence information (e.g. about evil plans or actions of politicians) didn't spread wide, far and quickly as nowadays, and (b) because many of us tend to associate "internet" with "freedom" which of course we want to keep.

    Again, I think that what really happens in this and many other cases is a rather unrelated phenomenon: the politician are waking up and notice how little control they have in that new "world", the internet. So they do what they always do. They try to grab and control it - but unlike in the old times, nowadays their attempts don't go unnoticed.

    Btw, I notice again and again how like frozen in old times their thinking is. They simply try tp apply their usual procedures to the internet, often in a way and to a degree that really is comedy.

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  • tsofttsoft Member
    edited July 2019

    I was born in Kazakhstan.

    They wanna decrypt traffic and block links to the channels of opposition on YouTube.

    Currently, they just "slow down" the Internet in Kazakhstan during the opposition's live streams on YouTube and Telegram where they are calling for revolution in Kazakhstan, feels like you are on a dial-up modem from the 90s. They probably want to catch exact links to the youtube channels.

    They have jailed all oppositions inside the country. However, in 2019, people are making revolutions via YouTube. Lenin had to travel by train to Russia in 1917. He would be surprised, that your physical presence is no longer required in a hundred years.

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  • uptimeuptime Member
    edited July 2019

    @jsg said:
    They simply try tp apply their usual procedures to the internet, often in a way and to a degree that really is comedy.

    Yeah, that Internet Research Agency stuff is sooo 2016 ammirite?

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  • LeviLevi Member

    @Vova1234 said:

    uptime said:
    Пердит мама ходит на тонких яйцах!

    Fartmother walks on thin eggs!

    Разве у мамы могут быть яйца? Если у бабушки есть яйца, то это дедушка!

    Tagyyyl, rulit i razrulivaet! Nice to see slavs on let :)

  • xaocxaoc Member

    @tsoft said:
    I was born in Kazakhstan.

    They wanna decrypt traffic and block links to the channels of opposition on YouTube.

    Currently, they just "slow down" the Internet in Kazakhstan during the opposition's live streams on YouTube and Telegram where they are calling for revolution in Kazakhstan, feels like you are on a dial-up modem from the 90s. They probably want to catch exact links to the youtube channels.

    They have jailed all oppositions inside the country. However, in 2019, people are making revolutions via YouTube. Lenin had to travel by train to Russia in 1917. He would be surprised, that your physical presence is no longer required in a hundred years.

    Ye most westerners don't realize what is actually going on in these post soviet countries but they feel like they do and comment on the matter anyways. I do agree with @jsg that most of the world is fraked up by politicians but at least in the west you don't get jailed and tortured for speaking up against the regime with a bullshit charge like raping a 30 yo "underage" woman(real case in Moldova).

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  • xaocxaoc Member

    @LTniger said:

    @Vova1234 said:

    uptime said:
    Пердит мама ходит на тонких яйцах!

    Fartmother walks on thin eggs!

    Разве у мамы могут быть яйца? Если у бабушки есть яйца, то это дедушка!

    Tagyyyl, rulit i razrulivaet! Nice to see slavs on let :)

    New trend:
    Has it's funny moments tho there's a lot of swearing going on.

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  • ehhthingehhthing Member
    edited July 2019

    @jsg My main concern with this is that HTTPS MITM has never been done on a nationwide scale like this before. Mainly because MITM prevents apps that certificate pin from functioning. No government (save North Korea), has ever gone so far to spy on citizen communication, not even China. Now that Kazakhstan has started doing this, other countries may look at them and take them as an example.

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  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    jsg said: We have plenty of evidence that entities in/from USA, UK, and other western countries actually did f_ck, eavesdrop, and sell out people all over the planet - but hey, those are the "good countries", so let's just ignore the evidence and instead accuse Russia and everything even remotely "russian" even though there has rarely been real evidence.

    The problem is that you're going to get evidence far, far easier in Western countries because the media is open. Not a whole lot of journalism criticizing government programs in, say, China.

    Russia, China, etc. are not even remotely in the same league in terms of civil liberties and freedom compared to the US, Canada, Japan, Western Europe, etc. Not saying Western democracies are perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but I know where I'd rather live.

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