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sin · June 13

I guess no one has opened a ticket about it? I was going to but I hate the torture of trying to deal with OVH over network problems lol. I can totally understand a limit...but a 5Mbit limit is a little much. I'll have to setup an ipv6 tunnel like @rm_ said and try that (I couldn't get ipv6 working on it either).

rm_ · June 13

sin said: I can totally understand a limit...

Nope. There is no such limit to "understand", the product page says these have 250 Mbit bandwidth, not mentioning any other limits: https://www.soyoustart.com/fr/offres/1801armada01.xml
Whoever has these, open tickets and complain. We could also try asking the wonderful OVH guys we have here on LET, @wokenwoll and who else.

As for testing if there's the same limit on IPv6 or in tunnels, that's more for a curiosity than a real solution. And it is not ruled out that there's no intentional limit, but a misconfiguration with the network card (for example), or the switch.

hammad · June 13

i have multiple Sys servers and i have 2 ARM servers from Last year ,
all server in same DC , on use these servers as plex storage with opemnmediavaluet and have it mounted on my Sys servers via cifs , and they easyly reach 800-900 mbit.
Just got new one with less price , and it same ,

if you are in same DC , you have direct gigabit connection in both upload and download.

and

i just Rsycned my one arm server to other arm server with approx 6 tb of data in approx 34 hours.

@willie said:
Thanks and maybe I misinterpreted Falzo's post. I'm asking if someone has tested upload speed from one of these ARM servers to another OVH server inside the same DC (i.e. not over the internet). Falzo might have done this, but it's unclear.

sin · June 13

rm_ said: Nope. There is no such limit to "understand", the product page says these have 250 Mbit bandwidth

That's true, there's nothing on there about a limit which is pretty shitty. I hate how they try to fall back on that "we only guarantee speeds within OVH" too.

Falzo · June 14

@willie said:
Thanks and maybe I misinterpreted Falzo's post. I'm asking if someone has tested upload speed from one of these ARM servers to another OVH server inside the same DC (i.e. not over the internet). Falzo might have done this, but it's unclear.

I have to admit I did not check properly on the DCs as I assumed SYS france is all in the same anyway. but that's not true, as I just saw...

so to clarify, from SYS ARM in GRA1 to a SYS dedi in RBX4 results in 5Mbit/s , from SYS ARM in GRA1 to an OVH dedi in GRA1 is full speed (1Gbps)

I agree with @rm_ this simply does not match the product description and is to be complained about, but I did not find the time to open a ticket yet. IPv6 also seems to be kind of broken, at least I did not get it to work, if someone manages to do so, please let me know how.

Ympker · June 14

This really is of concern and should be forwarded to OVH/SYS support and maybe LET reps asap.. I haven't been with SYS for a while but this does not sound good :S

@Clouvider will be just sitting there waiting for people to choose quality over cheap again :P

Falzo · June 14

@Ympker said:

@Clouvider will be just sitting there waiting for people to choose quality over cheap again :P

if Dom was about to offer cold diskspace at around 2.50 and >100mbps I am all in for it :-)

Ympker · June 14

@Falzo said:

@Ympker said:

@Clouvider will be just sitting there waiting for people to choose quality over cheap again :P

if Dom was about to offer cold diskspace at around 2.50 and >100mbps I am all in for it :-)

Sounds delicous! Though probably never gonna happen due to..reasons :P

At this point even MyLoc Webtropia may perform better than SYS network..

willie · June 14

The SYS ARM thing sounds still like a good deal to me purely as local backup space. But yeah it doesn't come anywhere near meeting expectations of the advertised product. Would be great if some of the OVH folks could comment.

Falzo · June 14

Ympker said: At this point even MyLoc Webtropia may perform better than SYS network..

actually I found the network to be quite reliable for my dedis I have/had with SYS.

this 5Mbit stuff with the ARM storage is the first time I stumble across such crappy stuff. however for my personal use case I can live with it, as I might always have a dedi in GRA1 to attach that storage to or in case I need to pull a backup, I'd also be able to just spin up an hourly instance with their public cloud in GRA1 for a few cents etc.

if I find some time later on maybe I give their german support a call and directly ask about it, though I doubt it will change much ;-)

I'd be more interested in someone figuring out how to setup the ipv6 stuff.

Ympker · June 14

@Falzo said:

Ympker said: At this point even MyLoc Webtropia may perform better than SYS network..

actually I found the network to be quite reliable for my dedis I have/had with SYS.

this 5Mbit stuff with the ARM storage is the first time I stumble across such crappy stuff. however for my personal use case I can live with it, as I might always have a dedi in GRA1 to attach that storage to or in case I need to pull a backup, I'd also be able to just spin up an hourly instance with their public cloud in GRA1 for a few cents etc.

if I find some time later on maybe I give their german support a call and directly ask about it, though I doubt it will change much ;-)

I'd be more interested in someone figuring out how to setup the ipv6 stuff.

Hehe fair enough :P IPvWhat?

~~Sadly it will have to work at some point~~

Nihim · June 14

for IPv6 I can't find the ticket but I am pretty sure I had asked them before about the IPv6 on the control panel and they had told me that regardless the ARMs don't have IPv6.

Or I dreamed about it because I have tried numerous times to make IPv6 work on it.

Shot2 · June 14

Probably a matter of old/incompatible network devices, as is the case with the old ARM Scaleway dedis.

At the end of the day this ARM crap is not that much interesting price- and featurewise. Using them as pure storage next to a bunch of "real" servers apt to deliver the announced bandwidth (a bunch of VPSes, Cloud instances, dedis) makes things contorted while costing almost the same as a full-fledged SyS...

rm_ · June 14

Regarding native IPv6, referring again to the product page, it does say (in one place) that IPv6 is not available: https://www.soyoustart.com/fr/offres/1801armada01.xml

Below it says a /64, but that part might be a boilerplate.

And no such excuse for bandwidth, it's 250 Mbit in both of the spec tables.

Nihim · June 14

I have to comment again that the old price ARMs had pretty darn good speeds. I posted above a comparison of old vs new ARM (same cpu, disk size, different price) and the differences on the upload are huge.

vimalware · June 14

What's the inbound performance with rsync + default AES ciphers, from say Hetzner network?

at 9euro, I should maybe just try out gSuite first to see if I can stuff 4TB there.

Shot2 · June 14

@rm_ said:
And no such excuse for bandwidth, it's 250 Mbit in both of the spec tables.

I've tested briefly a transfer over udp (both ways, between FR Arm-2T and CA Arm-4T), looks like there is no such ridiculously low limit, it even went above the 250 Mbit lol. Why the heck are they so insanely throttling outgoing TCP...

Falzo · June 14

vimalware said: What's the inbound performance with rsync + default AES ciphers, from say Hetzner network?

haven't tried yet, but the CPU might become a bottleneck. I've already seen that turning off compression on an ssh mount helps speed up things (inbound that is) ...

OVH_Matt · June 14

Can anyone who is experiencing the 5Mb/s issue send me their ticket numbers?

Shot2 · June 14

According to OVH support, the page https://www.soyoustart.com/fr/offres/1801armada01.xml is perfectly fine and up-to-date, no issue or contradiction whatsoever, lol. What a bunch of crap

Falzo · June 14

@OVH_Matt said:
Can anyone who is experiencing the 5Mb/s issue send me their ticket numbers?

Hey Matt, where exactly am I supposed to see a ticket number in the SYS control panel?

I just opened a ticket to enable you to follow up on this, but there are no numbers assigned also did not get a mail or something. the URL contains a message number which is 9682651

I can send you my handle and mailaddress if that helps ;-)

sin · June 14

@OVH_Matt said:
Can anyone who is experiencing the 5Mb/s issue send me their ticket numbers?

I haven't opened a ticket yet but would love if someone at OVH could take a look at the SYS ARM's...it seems like everyone here (and on other forums apparently) are experiencing the outgoing throttling.

My ARM Server: BHS6 - Rack: T06G35 - Server ID: 308751

OVH_Matt · June 14

@Falzo said:

Got it.

@sin said:

Made a note of yours as well

mtsbatalha · June 14

My one is uploading at 200Mbps my torrent ISOs without any problem.

david_W · June 14

GRA - no issue with download, upload capped at 5MB/s 99% of the time.

acidpuke · June 14

I have the ARM-4T in BHS Canada its capped outgoing at 5MB/s per stream....Download no problems full speed.

FAT32 · June 14

Mispressed from draft (Mod please delete)

crei · June 14

@OVH_Matt said:
Can anyone who is experiencing the 5Mb/s issue send me their ticket numbers?

ticket 9683819

My ARM Server: BHS6 - Rack: T06G35 - Server ID: 308764

Thanks you.

Shot2 · June 14

@OVH_Matt - My ARM Server: GRA1 - Rack: G124B17 - Server ID: 745158

Neoon · June 14

Apparently Kimsuf + SYS + OVH just deadpooled.

Shot2 · June 14

@Neoon said:
Apparently Kimsuf + SYS + OVH just deadpooled.

Yep. I heard they used to offer crazy cheap bandwidth, like "unlimited 250 Mbps down / unlimited 5 Mbps up", that's just not sustainable.

Neoon · June 14

@Shot2 said:

@Neoon said:
Apparently Kimsuf + SYS + OVH just deadpooled.

Yep. I heard they used to offer crazy cheap bandwidth, like "unlimited 250 Mbps down / unlimited 5 Mbps up", that's just not sustainable.

Nah, the website dropped + Kimsufi for some reason.

Seems to be fixed now.

http://travaux.ovh.net/?do=details&id=32252

hammad · June 14

stop bitching guys , i was perfectly happy to have 6T server from last one year , and now its on half price and i grabbed another one , its a super deal , 1 gbit from same dc its like block storage .
i mean where u get 6Tb for 14 euros .

openos · June 14

@OVH_Matt said:
Can anyone who is experiencing the 5Mb/s issue send me their ticket numbers?

My ticket: 9684488

GRA1 - Rack: G124B17 - Server ID: 745098

Thank you.

johnfear · June 14

@OVH_Matt said:
Can anyone who is experiencing the 5Mb/s issue send me their ticket numbers?

GRA1 - Rack: G126B06 - Server ID: 769526

Thanks mate. I hope the issue will be fixed...

acidpuke · June 14

Speeds are increased on upload over 250Mbps now, looks like they fixed the problem at least on my server.....Thank you

sin · June 14

@acidpuke said:
Speeds are increased on upload over 250Mbps now, looks like they fixed the problem at least on my server.....Thank you

Nice! Mine is still not fixed...still getting 565KB/s max.

Shot2 · June 14

@sin said:

@acidpuke said:
Speeds are increased on upload over 250Mbps now, looks like they fixed the problem at least on my server.....Thank you

Nice! Mine is still not fixed...still getting 565KB/s max.

Lucky you! I get only 564KB/s average, at the moment.

acidpuke · June 14

It was like the upload flood gates opened, I was questioning what I was doing with this upload pile of crap... very frustrating , it's pushing up wards over 300Mbps now in my tests.

I am completely happy with what I have now. I'm on the BHS5 - Rack: T05G31

Shot2 · June 14

Still, it's slightly scary how they manage to sell dozens of faulty servers without ever acknowledging an issue - servers which feature a /64 range of no IPv6 and 0 IP failovers for free up to the 16th. What a mess.

Neoon · June 14

up to 16 IP's for free for 4.99, a bargain.

If that would work.

vimalware · June 14

@Neoon said:
up to 16 IP's for free for 4.99, a bargain.

If that would work.

Zerpy · June 14

@Shot2 said:
Still, it's slightly scary how they manage to sell dozens of faulty servers without ever acknowledging an issue - servers which feature a /64 range of no IPv6 and 0 IP failovers for free up to the 16th. What a mess.

From my understanding from a network guy - limits are put in place during provisioning, if this has been configured wrong for a given product (and then copy/pasted two the 3 variants) - then sure whenever products are deployed they'll get the same limits - it can then be fixed when people actually mention it - and then everyone is happy.

FredQc · June 14

Device Model:     HGST HUS726040ALA610
Serial Number:    K4GGYEZB
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000cca 25dc6cbc0
Firmware Version: A5GNT907
User Capacity:    4,000,787,030,016 bytes [4.00 TB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Form Factor:      3.5 inches
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   ACS-2, ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 3.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Thu Jun 14 21:52:04 2018 CEST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

9 Power_On_Hours          0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       2100

Neoon · June 14

GRA => GRA 94Mbit (100Mbit Kimsufi)

GRA => RBX 94Mbit (100Mbit Kimsufi)

GRA => Online.net 50Mbit

The limit seems to only affect stuff outside OVH.

They are advertised as backup servers, big suprise, apparently they only intended to be used within OVH for OVH products.

Some people on Reddit bought that, for Torrent, no wonder they put the limit on.

I guess if you want the storage for cheap, use a Server as gateway that is non backup related or just drop them a ticket.

InfinityHosting · June 14

Like other People say, the backup server can only be used with ovh servers in the same data center. From backup server BHS to GRA is a max upload of 5 mbits limited.

Neoon · June 14

@InfinityHosting said:
Like other People say, the backup server can only be used with ovh servers in the same data center. From backup server BHS to GRA is a max upload of 5 mbits limited.

My Iperf says 94Mbit to inside GRA and RBX.

No idea.

Neoon · June 14

https://www.soyoustart.com/en/offers/1801sys52.xml

Shot2 · June 14

@Zerpy said:

@Shot2 said:
Still, it's slightly scary how they manage to sell dozens of faulty servers without ever acknowledging an issue - servers which feature a /64 range of no IPv6 and 0 IP failovers for free up to the 16th. What a mess.

From my understanding from a network guy - limits are put in place during provisioning, if this has been configured wrong for a given product (and then copy/pasted two the 3 variants) - then sure whenever products are deployed they'll get the same limits - it can then be fixed when people actually mention it - and then everyone is happy.

Yeah, why fix three mistakes in three templates, when you can just fix the results of the mistake a hundred times over a hundred successive orders when a hundred different customers contact you over a hundred days (as soon as they realize there's something wrong, which can take minutes or days or weeks)

I love such a "network guy's logic". Looks more like intentional crippling from OVH's side, then backpedaling on a case-by-case basis each time the issue surfaces.

FredQc · June 14

@Neoon said:
https://www.soyoustart.com/en/offers/1801sys52.xml

Yeah, just saw the new servers appearing, they're all out of stock at the moment.

That E5-1650v3 + 64GB RAM + 4x2TB looks very appealing to me...

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