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Review of DDoS Mitigation Solutions/Providers

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  • sonicsonic Veteran
    edited June 2016

    @SplitIce said:
    @desperand Thank you for the review.

    Just For clarification, we also do our own Layer 4 mitigation. If you want to test the Layer 4, feel free to hit me up via PM. Always happy to help with research.

    We hope also to be increasing the base protection offered in the US from 20G to perhaps 40G in the near future, we also have some very big news regarding 100G pricing & changes coming very shortly (next week).

    FYI, NL is now 100Gbps Guarunteed (and 1.4-1.5Tbps burst). Our agreement with the upstream network allows us to take any attack (which does not saturate any peering/transit link) for a reasonably long time up to near the full capacity of the network. Only attacks >100G will be nullrouted at a certain point when it obviously starts becoming too costly (95th). Havent had the need to null anyone in NL in well over a year (might even be 2).

    Your service is good but price seems high to me. Your smallest package is 10$, with that price i can get BuyVM KVM + 1 Filtered IP which also good and cheaper.

  • SplitIceSplitIce Member, Host Rep
    edited June 2016

    @sonic Our smallest package is $10.00/month in both the US and EU.

    Got to pay for the R&D, Development, management, support, monitoring, and hardware for mitigation (and etc) somehow unfortunately. Not to mention the hundreds of TB/month eaten in Layer 4 leakage and Layer 7. To offer a quality service, it costs money.

    Honestly, I have seen what some of our resellers charge and have to say - we could be charging ALOT more. What you get with us, vs a filtered IP from a network level filtering provider is considerably different in quality.

    Also @caffeinejolt we have gear in Voxility Romania too. Its a very stable location. Most of the incidents seen arent actually Voxility RO (Bucharest) its the other locations in the Voxility Global network. Either way its usually 99.9% or so baring any big Voxility slips.

    I wouldn't say Voxilities protection is perfect, we see alot of leaks. Hence why we have extra mitigation (Riorey Platform) in RO.

  • TinkuTinku Member

    Need more ddos reviews thread like these on LET with all these providers offering different ddos services these days witu VMs so a latest comparison will help many here

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

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  • CConnerCConner Member, Host Rep

    Well, this thread does deserve to be nercrod

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  • ChristianDSHChristianDSH Member, Host Rep

    @CConner said:
    Well, this thread does deserve to be nercrod

    You're right, and some people feel the urge to post there memes everywhere cough cough

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

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    But ok maybe its a useful thread :)

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  • cyberpersonscyberpersons Member

    Great content :)

    However, I am reading mixed reviews about OVH, what is their current status, they are still that good? ( Considering the post is from last year)

  • JoeMeritJoeMerit Veteran

    I'd like to see more discussion of DDOS protection. One of my 'rules' when purchasing VPS is that they must have minimum of 10gbit of ddos protection and ideally over 20.

  • TinkuTinku Member

    @JoeMerit said:
    I'd like to see more discussion of DDOS protection. One of my 'rules' when purchasing VPS is that they must have minimum of 10gbit of ddos protection and ideally over 20.

    no layer specific? because some with even 40gbps can't stop all type attacks only basic attacks.

  • MikePTMikePT Moderator, Patron Provider, Veteran

    Had not read this one. Very interesting. Is there anyone who has reviews for Hetzner's DDoS Mitigation? We have a server there and havent noticed a single issue but I do not think we ever got DDoSed.

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  • RhysRhys Member, Host Rep

    @MikePT said:
    Had not read this one. Very interesting. Is there anyone who has reviews for Hetzner's DDoS Mitigation? We have a server there and havent noticed a single issue but I do not think we ever got DDoSed.

    Not a review, but I've been attacked there a few times (All udp) and they seemed to have no issue with it.

    Thanked by 2vimalware MikePT
  • JoeMeritJoeMerit Veteran

    @Tinku said:

    @JoeMerit said:
    I'd like to see more discussion of DDOS protection. One of my 'rules' when purchasing VPS is that they must have minimum of 10gbit of ddos protection and ideally over 20.

    no layer specific? because some with even 40gbps can't stop all type attacks only basic attacks.

    No, nothing specific. When I purchased non-protected hosting I found I would be taken offline by other customers getting DDOS... So I buy it mainly for that purpose. It is very cheap to get protection though. I have cheap Voxility protection with Virmach, cheap Psychz protection with HostUS and cheap 'CC Buffalo/Riorey' protection with Virmach. (As well as whatever my Kimsufi server has.)

    I do not think I really get attacked all that much if ever but its nice to have if its thrown in free or for next to nothing.

  • CConnerCConner Member, Host Rep

    MikePT said: Had not read this one. Very interesting. Is there anyone who has reviews for Hetzner's DDoS Mitigation? We have a server there and havent noticed a single issue but I do not think we ever got DDoSed.

    That's because Hetzner added DDoS protection to their services after this thread was posted. I think Hetzner's protection is great, currently colo'ing 3 1u servers their and have withstood the few attacks it has received very well.

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  • MikePTMikePT Moderator, Patron Provider, Veteran

    @Rhys said:

    @MikePT said:
    Had not read this one. Very interesting. Is there anyone who has reviews for Hetzner's DDoS Mitigation? We have a server there and havent noticed a single issue but I do not think we ever got DDoSed.

    Not a review, but I've been attacked there a few times (All udp) and they seemed to have no issue with it.

    But have you received any report or anything else, letting you know about it?

    @CConner said:

    MikePT said: Had not read this one. Very interesting. Is there anyone who has reviews for Hetzner's DDoS Mitigation? We have a server there and havent noticed a single issue but I do not think we ever got DDoSed.

    That's because Hetzner added DDoS protection to their services after this thread was posted. I think Hetzner's protection is great, currently colo'ing 3 1u servers their and have withstood the few attacks it has received very well.

    Ah I see. But can you somehow see the attack size, or do you receive any notification?

  • CConnerCConner Member, Host Rep

    They give you a detailed log of the attack, and some of the senders that sent most of the traffic. I host gameservers, and because their protection is in-line, I don't notice any disconnects at all. Really pleased.

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  • RhysRhys Member, Host Rep

    @MikePT said:

    @Rhys said:

    @MikePT said:
    Had not read this one. Very interesting. Is there anyone who has reviews for Hetzner's DDoS Mitigation? We have a server there and havent noticed a single issue but I do not think we ever got DDoSed.

    Not a review, but I've been attacked there a few times (All udp) and they seemed to have no issue with it.

    But have you received any report or anything else, letting you know about it?

    @CConner said:

    MikePT said: Had not read this one. Very interesting. Is there anyone who has reviews for Hetzner's DDoS Mitigation? We have a server there and havent noticed a single issue but I do not think we ever got DDoSed.

    That's because Hetzner added DDoS protection to their services after this thread was posted. I think Hetzner's protection is great, currently colo'ing 3 1u servers their and have withstood the few attacks it has received very well.

    Ah I see. But can you somehow see the attack size, or do you receive any notification?

    You recieve a flow of the attack:

    On 24 Sep 20:56, [email protected] wrote:

    Direction IN
 Internal 5.9.31.44
 Threshold FlowsDiff 75 flows/s, Diff: 98 flows/s
 Sum 29.473 flows/300s (98 flows/s), 29.919.000 packets/300s (99.730 packets/s), 6,686 GByte/300s (182 MBit/s)
 External 108.61.229.152, 7.621 flows/300s (25 flows/s), 7.792.000 packets/300s (25.973 packets/s), 1,742 GByte/300s (47 MBit/s)
 External 45.32.76.142, 6.990 flows/300s (23 flows/s), 7.085.000 packets/300s (23.616 packets/s), 1,584 GByte/300s (43 MBit/s)
 External 45.76.18.32, 6.976 flows/300s (23 flows/s), 7.106.000 packets/300s (23.686 packets/s), 1,588 GByte/300s (43 MBit/s)
 External 45.32.81.224, 4.600 flows/300s (15 flows/s), 4.644.000 packets/300s (15.480 packets/s), 1,038 GByte/300s (28 MBit/s)
 External 108.61.217.216, 2.108 flows/300s (7 flows/s), 2.109.000 packets/300s (7.030 packets/s), 0,471 GByte/300s (12 MBit/s)
 External 45.63.77.191, 1.170 flows/300s (3 flows/s), 1.175.000 packets/300s (3.916 packets/s), 0,263 GByte/300s (7 MBit/s)
 External 172.14.232.201, 3 flows/300s (0 flows/s), 3.000 packets/300s (10 packets/s), 0,000 GByte/300s (0 MBit/s)
 External 138.19.128.62, 2 flows/300s (0 flows/s), 2.000 packets/300s (6 packets/s), 0,000 GByte/300s (0 MBit/s)
 External 77.97.221.31, 1 flows/300s (0 flows/s), 1.000 packets/300s (3 packets/s), 0,000 GByte/300s (0 MBit/s)
 External 80.65.57.30, 1 flows/300s (0 flows/s), 1.000 packets/300s (3 packets/s), 0,000 GByte/300s (0 MBit/s)
 External 80.65.57.18, 1 flows/300s (0 flows/s), 1.000 packets/300s (3 packets/s), 0,000 GByte/300s (0 MBit/s)
    Thanked by 3Aidan MikePT vimalware
  • JoeMeritJoeMerit Veteran

    Anyone know what the best deal is on Zare's London network? Nodion? VMHaus ? anything else?

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  • pikepike Veteran

    What about m247?

  • JoeMeritJoeMerit Veteran

    pike said: What about m247?

    Is that on Zare? or do they have similar protection?

  • TinkuTinku Member

    m247 is being used by so many VPN ip addresses.

  • RhysRhys Member, Host Rep

    @JoeMerit said:
    Anyone know what the best deal is on Zare's London network? Nodion? VMHaus ? anything else?

    VMHaus is working pretty great.

  • HostSlickHostSlick Member, Patron Provider

    Check the post date... this is no longer fully accurate. Some are still correct however.

  • MikePTMikePT Moderator, Patron Provider, Veteran

    @CConner said:
    They give you a detailed log of the attack, and some of the senders that sent most of the traffic. I host gameservers, and because their protection is in-line, I don't notice any disconnects at all. Really pleased.
    @Rhys said:

    @MikePT said:

    @Rhys said:

    @MikePT said:
    Had not read this one. Very interesting. Is there anyone who has reviews for Hetzner's DDoS Mitigation? We have a server there and havent noticed a single issue but I do not think we ever got DDoSed.

    Not a review, but I've been attacked there a few times (All udp) and they seemed to have no issue with it.

    But have you received any report or anything else, letting you know about it?

    @CConner said:

    MikePT said: Had not read this one. Very interesting. Is there anyone who has reviews for Hetzner's DDoS Mitigation? We have a server there and havent noticed a single issue but I do not think we ever got DDoSed.

    That's because Hetzner added DDoS protection to their services after this thread was posted. I think Hetzner's protection is great, currently colo'ing 3 1u servers their and have withstood the few attacks it has received very well.

    Ah I see. But can you somehow see the attack size, or do you receive any notification?

    You recieve a flow of the attack:

    On 24 Sep 20:56, [email protected] wrote:

    Direction IN
 Internal 5.9.31.44
 Threshold FlowsDiff 75 flows/s, Diff: 98 flows/s
 Sum 29.473 flows/300s (98 flows/s), 29.919.000 packets/300s (99.730 packets/s), 6,686 GByte/300s (182 MBit/s)
 External 108.61.229.152, 7.621 flows/300s (25 flows/s), 7.792.000 packets/300s (25.973 packets/s), 1,742 GByte/300s (47 MBit/s)
 External 45.32.76.142, 6.990 flows/300s (23 flows/s), 7.085.000 packets/300s (23.616 packets/s), 1,584 GByte/300s (43 MBit/s)
 External 45.76.18.32, 6.976 flows/300s (23 flows/s), 7.106.000 packets/300s (23.686 packets/s), 1,588 GByte/300s (43 MBit/s)
 External 45.32.81.224, 4.600 flows/300s (15 flows/s), 4.644.000 packets/300s (15.480 packets/s), 1,038 GByte/300s (28 MBit/s)
 External 108.61.217.216, 2.108 flows/300s (7 flows/s), 2.109.000 packets/300s (7.030 packets/s), 0,471 GByte/300s (12 MBit/s)
 External 45.63.77.191, 1.170 flows/300s (3 flows/s), 1.175.000 packets/300s (3.916 packets/s), 0,263 GByte/300s (7 MBit/s)
 External 172.14.232.201, 3 flows/300s (0 flows/s), 3.000 packets/300s (10 packets/s), 0,000 GByte/300s (0 MBit/s)
 External 138.19.128.62, 2 flows/300s (0 flows/s), 2.000 packets/300s (6 packets/s), 0,000 GByte/300s (0 MBit/s)
 External 77.97.221.31, 1 flows/300s (0 flows/s), 1.000 packets/300s (3 packets/s), 0,000 GByte/300s (0 MBit/s)
 External 80.65.57.30, 1 flows/300s (0 flows/s), 1.000 packets/300s (3 packets/s), 0,000 GByte/300s (0 MBit/s)
 External 80.65.57.18, 1 flows/300s (0 flows/s), 1.000 packets/300s (3 packets/s), 0,000 GByte/300s (0 MBit/s)

    Thank you for the further information! :)

    Cheers

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  • graphicgraphic Member
    edited September 2017

    @caffeinejolt You forgot to mention Seflow, Hetzner, Link11 and MyLoc. All are using inhouse protection except Seflow is using Level3 + inhouse.

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  • matteobmatteob Barred

    @graphic said:

    thank you for mentioning us. Level3 DDoS Protection was partially removed while ago and we introduced SeFlow Secure network

    http://seflow.net/2/index.php/en/services/vpspro/securenetwork

  • CConnerCConner Member, Host Rep

    graphic said: @caffeinejolt You forgot to mention Seflow, Hetzner, Link11 and MyLoc. All are using inhouse protection except Seflow is using Level3 + inhouse.

    MyLoc does not have any DDoS protection, they don't advertise that they do anywhere.

  • jh_aurologicjh_aurologic Member, Patron Provider

    @CConner said:
    MyLoc does not have any DDoS protection, they don't advertise that they do anywhere.

    They do: https://www.webtropia.com/de/technik/root-server-mit-ddos-protection.html

  • AuroraZAuroraZ Barred

    Holy wall of text, I can't believe so many read that whole thing.

  • CConnerCConner Member, Host Rep

    Kabeldamagement said: @CConner said: MyLoc does not have any DDoS protection, they don't advertise that they do anywhere.

    They do: https://www.webtropia.com/de/technik/root-server-mit-ddos-protection.html

    Web Tropia does, I know that it is basically the same company. However, MyLoc does not say they have any DDoS protection so you can not know for certain if Web Tropia's protection is carried over.

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