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    • WSSWSS Member

      @busbr said:

      @WSS said:

      @MagicalTrain said:
      I think @jarland is a pretty swell guy and I respect him, but mail Id never host in the USA, just out or principle.

      Why not? Our government will happily store all of your conversations- forever, with no direct charge!

      NSA didn't restore my data when my hard drive failed. Deadpool!

      Nah that was just a CISCAM!

      I won't be back until @bsdguy is released.

    • MagicalTrain said: Id never host in the USA, just out or principle.

      Been pretty happy with @mailcheap

      Where do they keep the data?

      don't buy what you don't need: you'll save money and will end up able to grab a quality VPS when really needed.

    • mailcheapmailcheap Member, Provider

      @datanoise said:

      MagicalTrain said: Id never host in the USA, just out or principle.

      Been pretty happy with @mailcheap

      Where do they keep the data?

      All data is located in France, EU. This was important for me as we launched Premium Mail. Re-worked the entire storage system, moved whatever there were in OVH CA to FR even for basic plans.

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    • MagicalTrainMagicalTrain Member
      edited March 2017

      @datanoise @mailcheap the server my basic plan is on (7) is still in Canada, which is fine for me. In the end there isnt that much of a difference in which physical location I host it anyway, but out of principle I just dont want it in the USA.

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    • I use mailchimp at work and it is quite easy to use and understand. Never tried the other ones you mentioned.

    • niknik Member, Provider

      @anajames said:
      I use mailchimp at work and it is quite easy to use and understand. Never tried the other ones you mentioned.

      Mailchimp is something completely different.

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    • mailcheapmailcheap Member, Provider
      edited March 2017

      @MagicalTrain said:
      @datanoise @mailcheap the server my basic plan is on (7) is still in Canada, which is fine for me. In the end there isnt that much of a difference in which physical location I host it anyway, but out of principle I just dont want it in the USA.

      Even if someone seizes the server in CA, all they're going to get is access to the front-end and a bunch of heavily crypted passwords. Mailcheap does not store any data outside the EU and we're 100% compliant with EU data protection laws.

      Pavin.

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    • mailcheap said: Even if someone seizes the server in CA, all they're going to get is access to the front-end and a bunch of heavily crypted passwords. Mailcheap does not store any data outside the EU and we're 100% compliant with EU data protection laws.

      Pavin.

      Cool to know. I just traced the ip to Canada, so I thought the data would also be there.

      In the end, sadly with how intertwined the CIA/GCHQ and other Letter Agencies are I just dont think there is much of a difference in the security aspect. (against Countries, regarding Companies and how they use data, the EU is luckily still a lot better)

    • mailcheapmailcheap Member, Provider

      @MagicalTrain said:

      mailcheap said: Even if someone seizes the server in CA, all they're going to get is access to the front-end and a bunch of heavily crypted passwords. Mailcheap does not store any data outside the EU and we're 100% compliant with EU data protection laws.

      Pavin.

      Cool to know. I just traced the ip to Canada, so I thought the data would also be there.

      In the end, sadly with how intertwined the CIA/GCHQ and other Letter Agencies are I just dont think there is much of a difference in the security aspect. (against Countries, regarding Companies and how they use data, the EU is luckily still a lot better)

      The change was made last Saturday with the launch of Premium Mail; hopefully you didn't even notice it! :)

      Pavin.

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    • HxxxHxxx Member

      I rather have my own government scan my stuff and store it than any foreign nation.

    • I am currently using protonmail for anonymous contacts over Tor, is there any plan @jarland to offer something like that?

      Extremist conservative user, I wish to preserve human and civil rights, free speech, freedom of the press and worship, rule of law, democracy, peace and prosperity, social mobility, etc. Now you can draw your guns.

    • jarjar Provider
      edited March 2017

      @Maounique said:
      I am currently using protonmail for anonymous contacts over Tor, is there any plan @jarland to offer something like that?

      I would definitely like to offer more privacy focused items at some point, but no short term plans.

      Of course, not to say that privacy is not currently important, just to say I'm no competitor to something like lavabit.

    • hawchawc Member, Moderator, LIR

      I'd be very interested if there was something MXroute or Mailcheap like, but hosted here in the UK.

    • mailcheapmailcheap Member, Provider

      @hawc said:
      I'd be very interested if there was something MXroute or Mailcheap like, but hosted here in the UK.

      OVH FR is only 5-8 ms from UK. Is it a regulations thing?

      Pavin.

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    • I had thought that privacy laws in UK, FR and US were bad, while DE and NL are better. But I haven't followed closely.

      #lexit spread the word.

    • jarjar Provider

      @willie said:
      I had thought that privacy laws in UK, FR and US were bad, while DE and NL are better. But I haven't followed closely.

      It's a game of Whack-A-Mole right now. Grievances appear and disappear at a moment's notice around the world. Quite frankly, moving hosting around to protest those grievances seems like more work than it's worth. Anyone doing something significantly private in email really should ask themselves whether or not that is the best method of communication for what they're doing. It seems, to me, like an exercise in futility at the moment.

      Better to focus one's efforts on impacting political change where they are able to do so. This will be of more value than moving your email every 3 months to match the geopolitical climate.

    • williewillie Member
      edited March 2017

      I'm impressed and satisfied by this, if they can stick to it:

      https://www.fastmail.com/about/privacy.html

      I know that they do use some US hosting.

      #lexit spread the word.

    • jarland said: lavabit

      Lavabit is different they did not encrypt just promised not to give the data, while protonmail does not have the clear data, just the encrypted blobs.
      Email has to remain private, for many reasons. It is true there are other ways to contact people, but email is widely available and can be encrypted strongly enough.
      Actually, when you have special requirements, such as not have the content secret, rather your identity, a thing like protonmail over Tor is what I need.
      In theory, of course, people can read it at the other end and put together bits of information which, if I am not careful, will disclose my identity, however, that is a laborious process and as more and more people start encrypting, less and less reliable. If I need, I ask everyone to make an account at protonmail, but more such services are needed.

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    • jarjar Provider

      Maounique said: while protonmail does not have the clear data, just the encrypted blobs

      Yeah, I'd like to do something like this. Ideally it would be a product where I could reasonably say "I don't have the ability to read your email." As it stands, it's more like "I don't have the time to read your email" :P

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    • mailcheapmailcheap Member, Provider

      @willie said:
      I'm impressed and satisfied by this, if they can stick to it:

      https://www.fastmail.com/about/privacy.html

      I know that they do use some US hosting.

      Its impressive what they say but oftentimes there is a big difference b/w what corporations and our own govts. say and what they actually do. I think its safe to say when you're buying email from Jarland or myself you can actually identify with the person and what they stand for more than a big faceless corporation.

      Pavin.

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    • @Ishaq said:

      @drdrake said:
      Do any of them allow marketing emails?

      You mean spam?

      I get marketing emails everyday.


      (not spam at all)

    • AmitzAmitz Member
      edited March 2017

      @Maounique said:
      I am currently using protonmail for anonymous contacts over Tor, is there any plan @jarland to offer something like that?

      You may want to take a look at https://posteo.de/en
      They offer EXCELLENT anonymous and encrypted services.

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    • MaouniqueMaounique Member
      edited March 2017

      mailcheap said: I think its safe to say when you're buying email from Jarland or myself you can actually identify with the person and what they stand for more than a big faceless corporation.

      Nobody is immune when NSA comes knocking. If you CAN read it, they will.

      Amitz said: You may want to take a look at https://posteo.de/en They offer EXCELLENT anonymous and encrypted services.

      There is one thing that is lacking: a way to pay anonymously because without it, it is relatively easy to find the identity of the payer. Cash payment won't cut it for me as I can't go to Germany to pay 1 Eur, even if they would have a presence in romania, there can always be cameras. Protonmail has that, also they have a free account.

      Extremist conservative user, I wish to preserve human and civil rights, free speech, freedom of the press and worship, rule of law, democracy, peace and prosperity, social mobility, etc. Now you can draw your guns.

    • Maounique said: Cash payment won't cut it for me as I can't go to Germany to pay 1 Eur

      Send it in the mail, inside a birthday card or something like that.

      #lexit spread the word.

    • @mailcheap said:

      @MagicalTrain said:
      @datanoise @mailcheap the server my basic plan is on (7) is still in Canada, which is fine for me. In the end there isnt that much of a difference in which physical location I host it anyway, but out of principle I just dont want it in the USA.

      Even if someone seizes the server in CA, all they're going to get is access to the front-end and a bunch of heavily crypted passwords. Mailcheap does not store any data outside the EU and we're 100% compliant with EU data protection laws.

      Pavin.

      Hi Pavin,

      So on @Mailcheap Basic Email plans the all the frontend (control panel, Sogo, Webmail, etc..) is located on a Canada Datacenter and all backend (data, emails, etc..) is running and stored on another datacenter in France, correct?

      If yes, 2 questions: Why the 2 datacenters, I mean, the distance between the 2 datacenters does not affects in a negative way the speed and performance when using webmail and mobile sync? And also, where are the backups located?

      Thanks

    • jarjar Provider

      I vote mxroute. Shit wrong account.

      No for real, if I haven't said it in this thread yet, @MailCheap is awesome.

      Thanked by 1mailcheap
    • mailcheapmailcheap Member, Provider

      @nqservices said:

      @mailcheap said:

      @MagicalTrain said:
      @datanoise @mailcheap the server my basic plan is on (7) is still in Canada, which is fine for me. In the end there isnt that much of a difference in which physical location I host it anyway, but out of principle I just dont want it in the USA.

      Even if someone seizes the server in CA, all they're going to get is access to the front-end and a bunch of heavily crypted passwords. Mailcheap does not store any data outside the EU and we're 100% compliant with EU data protection laws.

      Pavin.

      Hi Pavin,

      So on @Mailcheap Basic Email plans the all the frontend (control panel, Sogo, Webmail, etc..) is located on a Canada Datacenter and all backend (data, emails, etc..) is running and stored on another datacenter in France, correct?

      If yes, 2 questions: Why the 2 datacenters, I mean, the distance between the 2 datacenters does not affects in a negative way the speed and performance when using webmail and mobile sync? And also, where are the backups located?

      Thanks

      Not at all; having a front-end in CA markedly improved EAS performance & latency for N.America esp. US/CA West without much impact to European customers. All backups are also situated in France. Going forward, the most important thing was consolidation of data (incl. backups) in a single country (EU) for compliance reasons as well as providing a scalable, easy to manage storage solution for Premium Mail.

      Pavin.

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    • mailcheapmailcheap Member, Provider

      @jarland said:
      I vote mxroute. Shit wrong account.

      No for real, if I haven't said it in this thread yet, @MailCheap is awesome.

      <3

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    • zrunnerzrunner Member
      edited March 2017

      So i got email hosting with @jarland and his mxroute.com had it since 12/01/2014 and i got credit/balance on my account for renewing another 6 years, had no problems with it at all.

      I saw @mailcheap's mailcheap.co offer thread and reading some about them here on LET everyone seem to like them so i sent a PM asking for a custom package/setup,
      as they're cheap and i don't mind throwing some dollars (cheap annual package) at LET people/providers i like, i signed up right away, so now i got inbound filtering with Pavin before it hits my mxroute mailboxes and even another backup mx (...)

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    • AmitzAmitz Member
      edited March 2017

      Maounique said: There is one thing that is lacking: a way to pay anonymously because without it, it is relatively easy to find the identity of the payer. Cash payment won't cut it for me as I can't go to Germany to pay 1 Eur, even if they would have a presence in romania, there can always be cameras. Protonmail has that, also they have a free account.

      One has to trust them saying this, but this is what they say:

      How can Posteo be anonymous, when I’m paying by bank transfer or PayPal?

      Credit is always added to your Posteo account anonymously – regardless of whether you pay by bank transfer, PayPal, credit card or in cash. We do not attach the data we receive with payments to the email accounts. We developed our own system for this in 2009, with which all payment processes are anonymised.
      The payment system is the core of our concept of data reduction, above all, because we keep payment information strictly separate from our customers' email accounts, we do not attach any user information to the accounts – and can thereby ensure the fundamentally anonymous use of our email service. You can find out in detail how the anonymisation of payment processes occurs at Posteo on our payment info page.

      However, in case of doubt, I would be glad to pay the account for you (I am in Germany), in case you should consider them once in future. I would even prepay an account for one year for you without you having to give me any money back. It would just be a small "payback" for all the good things you did to me at Prometeus. Just let me know. But if Protonmail does the job for you, then everything is okay too! ;-)

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    • Expanding on what I already suggested, I don't feel any significant anxiety about sending small amounts of cash through the mail. It's mostly a matter of whether the person at the other end is willing to accept payment that way.

      My usual method is to put the cash inside a greeting card (that is stiffer and more opaque than an ordinary letter) and tape the cash down on the card, so it doesn't make that unmistakable rustling sound as it slides around in the envelope. Or sometimes I've used the cardboard envelopes made for sending CD-ROMs.

      My only "incident" I remember was that I once sent $5 to someone in a normal envelope that somehow got chewed up by a postal machine so the bill was falling out of it. The post office put the envelope and partially ripped $5 bill in a plastic bag and sent it back to me.

      #lexit spread the word.

    • @jarland and @mailcheap - Get a room !

      And while you're there, sort out an EU presence for MXRoute

    • busbrbusbr Member

      @mailcheap Only thing that's bothering me right now is the domain limit. I have personal email that needs some sort of higher reliability but also need a place to alias all my domains. MXRoute is perfect for that matter, but this time I'm looking for something in Europe.

    • MaouniqueMaounique Member
      edited March 2017

      Amitz said: I would be glad to pay the account for you (I am in Germany),

      Awww... I dunno what to say, I only did my job. Thank you very much!

      There is one thing though that will never work: fully anonymous payment with their gateways. When your security agency will call, they will have to give all payment data, even if it is disjunctive from the actual accounts, so, even if I am not making any trouble, they will rummage through it and your name will come up, even if, supposedly, they cannot link it to the actual account, which is highly unlikely given the account age, first payment and subsequent ones, coinciding with account renewal, etc.

      No bitcoin, dogecoin, whatever in this day and age when calling anonymous hosting? It costs next to nothing and it should be the payment gateway of choice, even Uncle considered it, I see no reason whatsoever to not implement it, unless they have something to hide.

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    • mailcheapmailcheap Member, Provider

      @busbr said:
      @mailcheap Only thing that's bothering me right now is the domain limit. I have personal email that needs some sort of higher reliability but also need a place to alias all my domains. MXRoute is perfect for that matter, but this time I'm looking for something in Europe.

      Maybe I should mention this on the product page, but you get as many domain aliases as your domain limit. For P10 that would be 5 domains and 5 domain aliases. Would that work for you? :)

      Pavin.

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    • AmitzAmitz Member
      edited March 2017

      @Maounique
      This is their (a bit maverick) explanation for not offering Bitcoins as payment method:
      https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/24vlg5/posteo_refuses_to_use_bitcoin_because_of_high/

      But I get your point... :-) Just let me know whenever I can be helpful. I will be there.

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    • mailcheapmailcheap Member, Provider

      @busbr Unlimited domains (& users) is now available as standard with all plans; the panel is fully automated.

      Pavin.

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    • Bitcoin isn't all that anonymous. Zerocoin is much more, but is having some teething pains.

      #lexit spread the word.

    • MaouniqueMaounique Member
      edited March 2017

      willie said: Bitcoin isn't all that anonymous.

      I know, but with proper care it can be. I am not the regular joe which buys GHB off silk road and imagines is anonymous. A few Eur payments can be very anonymous.

      Amitz said: This is their (a bit maverick) explanation for not offering Bitcoins as payment method

      Riiight... "think of the children!" became "Denke an die baume!" in German. I launch the new combined one: "think of the children hugging the trees!"

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    • frkfrk Member

      I would love to see mxroute getting a european location!

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    • henkbhenkb Member

      Yeah, me two. Lower latency may result in better performance (not that it is bad, but crossing an ocean takes time)

    • WSSWSS Member

      @jarland could setup an EU MX for incoming, I guess, and do GeoDNS garbage- but I'm sure he's probably more interested in getting rid of CPanel first.

      I won't be back until @bsdguy is released.

    • jarjar Provider
      edited March 2017

      @WSS said:
      @jarland could setup an EU MX for incoming, I guess, and do GeoDNS garbage- but I'm sure he's probably more interested in getting rid of CPanel first.

      Thinking about slowing down on the idea of getting rid of cPanel. I do prefer local servers over EU for privacy reasons, but it's always up for consideration. I just don't trust EU to protect customer data in any legal sense, not in the long term. I trust myself holding a box of matches under the server and daring anyone to come at me.

    • austeniteaustenite Member, Provider

      @jarland said:

      @WSS said:
      @jarland could setup an EU MX for incoming, I guess, and do GeoDNS garbage- but I'm sure he's probably more interested in getting rid of CPanel first.

      Thinking about slowing down on the idea of getting rid of cPanel. I do prefer local servers over EU for privacy reasons, but it's always up for consideration. I just don't trust EU to protect customer data in any legal sense, not in the long term. I trust myself holding a box of matches under the server and daring anyone to come at me.

      Nothing wrong with CPanel in your use case, I've seen you explain multiple times why you use it and agree with your reasoning. Can't please everyone :)

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    • WSSWSS Member

      @jarland said:

      @WSS said:
      @jarland could setup an EU MX for incoming, I guess, and do GeoDNS garbage- but I'm sure he's probably more interested in getting rid of CPanel first.

      Thinking about slowing down on the idea of getting rid of cPanel. I do prefer local servers over EU for privacy reasons, but it's always up for consideration. I just don't trust EU to protect customer data in any legal sense, not in the long term. I trust myself holding a box of matches under the server and daring anyone to come at me.

      I didn't mean for storage, just as a backup MX which shows as a higher priority in the EU which still goes to your primary storage server. Just a bit of DNS trickery. :)

      @austenite said:
      Nothing wrong with CPanel in your use case, I've seen you explain multiple times why you use it and agree with your reasoning. Can't please everyone :)

      I'd think he'd be trying to get rid of it because he always has to explain why, and continues to get shit for it. Good thing he didn't build it on ISPConfig. :D

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      I won't be back until @bsdguy is released.

    • WSSWSS Member
      edited March 2017

      Wrong thread. That's TWO for TWO today!

      I won't be back until @bsdguy is released.

    • mailcheapmailcheap Member, Provider

      @jarland said:

      @WSS said:
      @jarland could setup an EU MX for incoming, I guess, and do GeoDNS garbage- but I'm sure he's probably more interested in getting rid of CPanel first.

      Thinking about slowing down on the idea of getting rid of cPanel. I do prefer local servers over EU for privacy reasons, but it's always up for consideration. I just don't trust EU to protect customer data in any legal sense, not in the long term. I trust myself holding a box of matches under the server and daring anyone to come at me.

      Prefer illegal surveillance? ;)

      Pavin.

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    • jarjar Provider
      edited March 2017

      @mailcheap said:

      @jarland said:

      @WSS said:
      @jarland could setup an EU MX for incoming, I guess, and do GeoDNS garbage- but I'm sure he's probably more interested in getting rid of CPanel first.

      Thinking about slowing down on the idea of getting rid of cPanel. I do prefer local servers over EU for privacy reasons, but it's always up for consideration. I just don't trust EU to protect customer data in any legal sense, not in the long term. I trust myself holding a box of matches under the server and daring anyone to come at me.

      Prefer illegal surveillance? ;)

      Pavin.

      Easier to fight illegal than legal at least haha

      But yeah here I have at least legal justification to argue and local assistance against bad practices, where overseas I have neither.

    • mailcheapmailcheap Member, Provider

      @jarland said:

      @mailcheap said:

      @jarland said:

      @WSS said:
      @jarland could setup an EU MX for incoming, I guess, and do GeoDNS garbage- but I'm sure he's probably more interested in getting rid of CPanel first.

      Thinking about slowing down on the idea of getting rid of cPanel. I do prefer local servers over EU for privacy reasons, but it's always up for consideration. I just don't trust EU to protect customer data in any legal sense, not in the long term. I trust myself holding a box of matches under the server and daring anyone to come at me.

      Prefer illegal surveillance? ;)

      Pavin.

      Easier to fight illegal than legal at least haha

      High profile cases and huge payouts are tempting.

      Pavin.

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    • @jarland said:
      I vote mxroute. Shit wrong account.

      No for real, if I haven't said it in this thread yet, @MailCheap is awesome.

      Yep have to say Pavin's been rather accommodating, there's a few minor niggles with the way quarantine works in the software stack @mailcheap use that I'm sure will get improved upon as the underlaying project develops.

      Stability wise the only issues I've had with my dedicated instance have been self inflicted and Pavin sorted it out within a few minutes of reporting the issue. (It was due to a deviation from the standard config I'd requested and an interaction with how my client behaved)

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