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  • @AnthonySmith said: Not all bulk mailers are spammers

    Try saying that to the anti-spammer community and getting out alive.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider
    edited August 2012

    @miTgiB haha well fair point all I am saying is that if someone is willing to be accountable for every email they send I don't have an issue with that or with defending it.

    With 90000 blacklists popping up every day we need a blacklist for the blacklists. they latest piece of crap list is v4bl.org try reading/ viewing their site without either laughing or getting a little bit sad, the blacklist IP's (including residential ones) that dont have a matching A record with the rDNS even if it is not a mail server then boast about how many IP's they have.

    Bonkers.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    Not to mention those that hold you for ransom, blacklist huge providers for some infected residential machines which dont even have rDNS and demand serious money for delisting.
    But, spam is bad, who uses bad RBLs in their mail server, deserve the pain, there are some which are reputable, more or less, nobody can stop all spam unless they only use the server internally.
    M

  • flyfly Member

    v4bl is crap. the only really legitimate blacklist i've seen is spamhaus

  • @Maounique said: nobody can stop all spam unless people stop responding to the offers

    FTFY

    Spammers would not spam if it was not profitable.

  • PatsPats Member

    @Damian said: Maybe our price wasn't so bad after all?

    Hope your IP's don't go bad...
    and hope you haven't put in my node as they'll fire phpmail like hell causing high loads..

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @miTgiB said: Spammers would not spam if it was not profitable.

    That is a lost battle... There are so many $%^&, we cant educate all.
    But you are right, if they would stop reading and answering spam, spammers will drop it.
    I cant believe my luck at lotteries I didnt buy a ticket at, all the inheritances and shady business proceeds that are after me, I need to improve my erectile functions and enlarge my "cup-sizes" at the same time, how i will lose weight while eating more, how i can get controlled drugs OTC from Canada, how to win American Visa Lottery I have no intention to participate in, great original gold watches for 100 $, designer handbags for half that and whatnot.
    M

  • GaryGary Member

    Obviously spammers only spam because it's profitable, but it makes me wonder who the hell is buying the viagra or fake rolexes to make it profitable. Right now it costs nothing more than the cost of electricity, or a dollar a month for a VPS to spam from, so if you get one bite out of a million emails, you're in profit I guess. I don't know a million people, but I know more than one that's a moron... ;)

    It's also fairly easy to deal with spam. I use one of my domains for email, and give a specific address for each site when signing up or whatever. [email protected], [email protected] etc.

    Most spam I get is from companies who either sold my email address to spammers, or got hacked. I don't tend to get much "scattershot" email, from people who send to [email protected] [email protected], [email protected] etc, or [email protected] [email protected] etc... It's mostly sent to specific email addresses. [email protected] (not that LEB is one of the sites that got hacked/sold my address!)

    I'd imagine that if I used gmail mainly I'd get more scattershot stuff, mind you. A much bigger target so more chance of the spammers getting valid addresses by "brute forcing" in that style.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited August 2012

    @Gary said: I'd imagine that if I used gmail mainly I'd get more scattershot stuff, mind you

    Nope, Gmail does a good job to fight spam. My yahoo gets 10 times more spam than gmail. Same ones that pass through yahoo spam filter are blocked by gmail. My own mail server does a worse job, but it is true that i used to have a couple of false positives and had to lower the treshold.
    M

  • @Maounique said: My yahoo gets 10 times more spam than gmail.

    Yahoo sells access to their email "customers", if you are willing to pay to spam @yahoo, they are willing to give inbox delivery.

    Thanked by 1mrm2005
  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited August 2012

    @miTgiB said: Yahoo sells access to their email "customers"

    I doubt the difference comes only from that. The same spams are passing through yahoo and not gmail, so i doubt a particular spammer pays yahoo for the same garbage.
    But, yeah, this is new too, that yahoo is so desperate to sell the ppl's inboxes :(, they should have accepted microsoft's offer...
    M

  • "If the IP gets blacklisted he would need a new one."

    LOL.

  • 20K emails + possible IP black list = obvious spammer. I don't think any provider of any size would allow that.

  • Why would you revive this thread?

  • @Gary said: Obviously spammers only spam because it's profitable, but it makes me wonder who the hell is buying the viagra or fake rolexes to make it profitable.

    I remember reading a spam from one of these snake oil software sales people that said like less than 1% of spam is successful, like somebody purchasing something. It's not bad odds considering the volume

  • NexusNexus Member
    edited December 2012

    20,000 Emails per day is something I imagine around a forum like WHT or the Warrior Forums.

    This is the biggest Vbulletin forum I've seen:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/

    Not sure how many post's per day they recieve, but I'm sure atleast 10,000 a day especially if the admin enables email on new reply/etc/etc.

    Client is either a spammer ( like others said ), or needs a dedi.

    edit: August 18th, whoever necro'd this thread, screw you, lol. (Though I forgot to look at date zzz)

  • @Nexus said: whoever necro'd this thread, screw you, lol.

    @DomainBop

  • Now that this is digged up anyway, if you have bulk mail you sent a large quantity per month.
    If you send PER DAY, then it's obvious big spam

  • @BronzeByte said: Now that this is digged up anyway, if you have bulk mail you sent a large quantity per month.

    If you send PER DAY, then it's obvious big spam

    Not always. One of our clients has a fairly popular site and blog, and they send about 5 million emails monthly, none of which is spam.

  • @zachfedora said: 20K emails + possible IP black list = obvious spammer. I don't think any provider of any size would allow that.

    And then this dude would probably cry and moan all day after you suspended him, calling you a fraudster, and then do a chargeback because you just negatively impacted his 'business'.

  • 20k emails a day isn't huge, but realize it's more than most sites will send in quite a while.

    A forum could be the source of this volume easily.

    It's a doable client if they have legitimate reason to be sending these.

    If they get themselves blacklisted, then they have to clean up their dirty diaper with the blocklists.

    Most lists tend to offer a way to get off the list if legitimate in quick order.

    Otherwise, if as it appears, sketchy or too much work for you, aim them at the recommended bulk outsourced companies and let them pay through the nose.

    20k emails x 30 days = 600,000 emails a month.

    A service like MailChimp will charge them around, oh $400 a month.

    Mailgun beats you down for 40 cents per thousand on the common priority plan with a $199 monthly minimum. Doing the math, about $240 a month there.

  • SES is 10c per 1000 emails. They also charge for data transfer, but I'd imagine it'll still be WAY below 40c per 1k emails.

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