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Time4VPS clients wanting IPv6 - let them know!

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  • sinsin Member

    @DigitalFyre said:

    texteditor said: IPv6 is basically a necessity in 2016 going forward

    Honestly, IPv6 has been a necessity for quite a few years now. It's sad to see that some companies (big and small) still don't support it.

    I'm very happy that Verizon FIOS just rolled out IPv6 here in Northern Virginia :) I get quite a few visitors via IPv6 on my sites as well.

  • Didn't someone on LET want to ban non IPv6 offers?

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  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    I'm perfectly happy with ipv4 from time4vps and don't care if they implement ipv6.

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    whats this necessity nonsense?

    I like Ipv6 as much as the next man but someone needs to justify the 'necessity' beyond IPv4's running out please?

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  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran
    edited July 2016

    Who is even using Time4VPS?

    Didn't got a Kimsufi? has /64 IPv6 Subnet, best ever.

  • Gut feeling: time4vps rolls out ipv6 with the KVM launch.

    It's 2016 and a Half. (disclaimer: speculation.)

    @time4vps said: Otherwise we will focus our energy on more important features such as KVM, server image clone etc.

    Snapshots, YASS.

  • @AnthonySmith said:
    whats this necessity nonsense?

    I like Ipv6 as much as the next man but someone needs to justify the 'necessity' beyond IPv4's running out please?

    Yes I agree, IPv6 is totally unnecessary if you don't count that one huge issue that it was designed to solve

  • tr1ckytr1cky Member

    As for me, I don't want ipv6 on my time4vps VPS.

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  • @raindog308 said:
    I'm perfectly happy with ipv4 from time4vps and don't care if they implement ipv6.

    +1. Build a useful feature first :)

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    texteditor said: Yes I agree, IPv6 is totally unnecessary if you don't count that one huge issue that it was designed to solve

    I am not looking to pick a pointless fight, but if you have IPv4 then IPv6 is redundant, saying that it is pretty much a necessity with no further information is a bit weak imo.

    IPv6 is a business decision right now, not a necessity, if your petition had genuine use cases to illustrate why it is a necessity from a customer stand point and a fair percentage of them agree then fair enough.

    I offer IPv6 primary services myself so I do get it, but to be honest with around 5000 IPv6 primary containers deployed with only NAT IPv4 as a 'supplement' IPv6 use is still under 2% which if anything shows it absolutely is not necessary.

    But that was really the point of my question, just interested in why you think it is when hardly anyone actually uses it as a primary and globally its a pile of shit quite frankly.

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  • The logic in not having v6 if your upstream has it is... well... yea, there is none.

    I argue and argue and argue but some people are just not interested, even if you provide them tunnel, config and IP space as a one-stop solution for free.

    Does it make sense?

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  • ShadeShade Member

    William said: Does it make sense?

    Nope.

  • elgselgs Member

    I really don't see any reason that people are not using IPv6 today. IPv4 is not necessarily at all if everything is IPv6 enabled.

  • elgselgs Member

    @AnthonySmith said:
    whats this necessity nonsense?

    I like Ipv6 as much as the next man but someone needs to justify the 'necessity' beyond IPv4's running out please?

    My justification is that if your backend applications are connected with IPv6 network, it's a huge save of IPv4 cost. Think about it when you have hundreds or even thousands of nodes world wide.

  • elgselgs Member
    edited July 2016

    @time4vps said:
    We care. And we care a lot. This thread is bookmarked and we read given arguments for IPv6 very closely. Logic arguments and enough necessity may lead to faster IPv6 availability.

    Great to hear that you care.

    At the moment most of our customers doing fine with IPv4 pool. It would be nice to see arguments for IPv6 with these questions answered:

    I'm not one of them.

    • What will you do with IPv6 that can't be done with IPv4?

    All my applications and databases are connected with IPv6 network.

    • How often do you use IPv6 on production environment?

    All the time. We actually don't need IPv4 addresses for some services.

    • For which service do you deploy IPv6?

    Like the databases, and application servers that do not directly talk to the legacy IPv4 users.

    • Desirable IPv6 subnet (Example: /64)?

    A /128 is enough for a VPS.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    elgs said: All my applications and databases are connected with IPv6 network.

    can be done on existing IPv4

    elgs said: All the time. We actually don't need IPv4 addresses for some services.

    But you could just as easy use IPv4 like 98% of others

    elgs said: Like the databases, and application servers that do not directly talk to the legacy IPv4 users.

    But if they were on IPv4 they would work just fine as well.

    elgs said: My justification is that if your backend applications are connected with IPv6 network, it's a huge save of IPv4 cost. Think about it when you have hundreds or even thousands of nodes world wide.

    What cost? there is no cost.

    What does cost money is the time it would take a company in man hours to implement IPv6 and potentially add more equipment and complexity.

    Again, I am not looking for a pointless fight, I push IPv6 myself but no one uses it and I am yet to hear a use case that shows it is necessary.

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  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran
    edited July 2016

    AnthonySmith said: can be done on existing IPv4

    You suggest him to spend time and effort migrating his infrastructure back to IPv4? Just to be able to also add a Time4vps box in there?

    AnthonySmith said: Again, I am not looking for a pointless fight

    Right, you're already fighting it -- spreading your anti-IPv6 FUD giving excuses for providers to delay adopting it.

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  • @AnthonySmith said:

    What cost? there is no cost.

    What does cost money is the time it would take a company in man hours to implement IPv6 and potentially add more equipment and complexity.

    So you are actually arguing that customers should waste even more time retooling their setup for IPv4, multiplied by however many customers are in the same position, just so a provider can avoid implementing something they should have implemented a decade ago and will certainly have to get done in the next decade anyways?

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    rm_ said: Right, you're already fighting it -- spreading your anti-IPv6 FUD giving excuses for providers to delay adopting it.

    Ok I am out, this complete lack of reason or logic is the problem imo.

    You really have no chance at convincing anyone if all you can do is take the school yard stance of I want it and anyone that disagrees is wrong.

  • @AnthonySmith said:

    rm_ said: Right, you're already fighting it -- spreading your anti-IPv6 FUD giving excuses for providers to delay adopting it.

    Ok I am out, this complete lack of reason or logic is the problem imo.

    You really have no chance at convincing anyone if all you can do is take the school yard stance of I want it and anyone that disagrees is wrong.

    Your response was literally "why should the provider put in the effort when all his cutomers can instead"

    You're the one who hurled reason and logic out of the thread

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  • tommytommy Member

    ^ few customer maybe :)

    next time if provider dont support IPv6 dont purchase from them, it will save your time and provider time :)

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  • rds100rds100 Member

    tommy said: next time if provider dont support IPv6 dont purchase from them, it will save your time and provider time :)

    This. Also if you really want them to support ipv6, tell them that you are not buying exactly because of the lack of ipv6.

    There is only real reason for a busyness to implement ipv6 - money. It costs them money to implement ipv6, it might cost them money if they don't implement it. They have to find the balance of these costs and decide whether and when it is worth it for them to implement ipv6.

  • There's nothing wrong with customers added for features

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    Naa, buts is ok, agree to disagree.

    I am genuinely interested in a use case that proves necessity, not just 'want'

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  • elgselgs Member
    edited July 2016

    @AnthonySmith said:

    elgs said: All my applications and databases are connected with IPv6 network.

    can be done on existing IPv4

    No, it's not possible for me. All my database servers are without any IPv4 addresses. We saved a lot of money by removing IPv4 addresses.

    elgs said: All the time. We actually don't need IPv4 addresses for some services.

    But you could just as easy use IPv4 like 98% of others

    Again, IPv4 costs more money.

    elgs said: Like the databases, and application servers that do not directly talk to the legacy IPv4 users.

    But if they were on IPv4 they would work just fine as well.

    Right, but if they were on IPv6 they would work just fine as well, too.

    elgs said: My justification is that if your backend applications are connected with IPv6 network, it's a huge save of IPv4 cost. Think about it when you have hundreds or even thousands of nodes world wide.

    What cost? there is no cost.

    IPv6 addresses are virtually free, whereas IPv4 addresses have significant cost. I don't understand why you said there is no cost.

    What does cost money is the time it would take a company in man hours to implement IPv6 and potentially add more equipment and complexity.

    We already implemented IPv6 and we are all happy with IPv6. After implementing IPv6, we simply cannot find any reason that we ever need IPv4, with the only exception to support legacy IPv4 users.

    Again, I am not looking for a pointless fight, I push IPv6 myself but no one uses it and I am yet to hear a use case that shows it is necessary.

    I fully understand that. In your world, IPv6 is nothing, but in other people's world, it's something.

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  • @rm_ said:

    AnthonySmith said: Again, I am not looking for a pointless fight

    Right, you're already fighting it -- spreading your anti-IPv6 FUD giving excuses for providers to delay adopting it.

    You picked a horse and now you're acting like an Apple fanboy. What's next? Arguments about how IPv6's smaller screen size is an advantage when you hold it with one hand? :D

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    @elgs I understand your perspective, IPv6 is great, it should be the future, I just don't see it happening.

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    elgs said: I really don't see any reason that people are not using IPv6 today.

    If there was none, they would.

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    If residential ISP's adopted it as primary and put some marketing twist on it we would be laughing at those still on IPv4.

    But they wont because they don't have to and it would cost way to much money.

  • elgselgs Member

    @AnthonySmith said:
    If residential ISP's adopted it as primary and put some marketing twist on it we would be laughing at those still on IPv4.

    Agreed.

    But they wont because they don't have to and it would cost way to much money.

    Old ISP may not, but new ISP will. It will be much easier for anybody to become an ISP as IPv6 is virtually free and unlimited in number.

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