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  • RandyRandy Disabled

    LOL. good luck LSN ......

  • @GIANT_CRAB said: Its just because of Google cookies, it appears for you but if you set to in-private browsing of IE, it won't be.

    In private mode it's also on the 2nd page, together with the LEB post.

  • @Randy you keep double posting

  • RandyRandy Disabled

    apologies. its lagging

  • @Randy: remember to just press once, same as when you're making payments etc :)

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  • Absolutely in kinks with this, nice work guys, LSN have pretty much been demolished by their exaggeration, this could of been handled much more professionally.

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  • @Randy said: LOL. god suck LSN ......

    :)

    Let's bet which dot-name will collapse first ;)

  • Lots and lots of companies do targetted email soliciting. I don't really like it, but I also don't think that posting about it a forum will change it.

    What this post did was create additional work for people, and not only people at limestonenetworks.

    I would've tagged it as spam and moved on.

  • I do that, however, this is not about the spam per se, tho it started that way, it became about DMCA and it's abuse.
    That is certainly a fight worth fighting.
    M

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  • DewlanceVPSDewlanceVPS Member, Provider

    If LSN feel apology for this all then give him another chance and remove this thread.

    Daily everyone receive too many spam emails in spam box so why need to make this biggest issue?

    (my personal thoughts, don't beat me.)

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  • DewlanceVPSDewlanceVPS Member, Provider
    edited October 2012

    @Jack said: I highly doubt that >this thread will be removed.

    Did you read this: (my personal thoughts, don't beat me.)

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  • MaouniqueMaounique Member
    edited October 2012

    @Jack said: I highly doubt that this thread will be removed.

    Even if they apologize openly towards chief and the team, that does not mean everyone here should be gagged.
    It will stay.
    M

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    @DewlanceVPS said: Did you read this: (my personal thoughts, don't beat me.)

    I fail to see how his reply can be considered "beating", not even in a figurative way of speaking. he simply said he thinks it will stay.

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  • DewlanceVPSDewlanceVPS Member, Provider

    @Maounique said: I fail to see how his reply can be considered "beating", not even in > a figurative way of speaking. he simply said he thinks it will stay.

    "Personal thoughts"

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  • @Maounique said: I do that, however, this is not about the spam per se, tho it started that way, it became about DMCA and it's abuse.

    That is certainly a fight worth fighting.

    Yes, but the DCMA, the fight etc., escalated from the original judgement that the message was spam.

    Was the message spam? If UCE is spam, then yes. But it was one message, not an inbox full. It was a targeted offer, not a blind mailing.from this thread The fallout has created extra work for people. Is it really worth it? Is it really worth creating "fights" over a single email message? You say yes, I say no. C'est la vie :)

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  • @sleddog it started out as a question as to why a large company would skim my email address from this forum, to market this way. Then they went overboard.

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  • @sleddog We agree actually. You say it might not have been spam and I am not 100% sure also, but the ensuing fight was a correct reaction to that BS with the DMCA.
    If LSN came here and said, hey, that is not spam because.. There would have been ppl agreeing (tho, probably less than those that consider it spam) and the discussion was about spam in general.
    Going over the forum staff directly to the host and ask to remove their customer because it publishes some "confidential" offer sent to hundreds of ppl probably claiming they hold a copyright on it, then that is so hilarious that some ppl might miss the point, and that is DMCA is so abused these days and threats can make ppl cringe and even back down.
    "Creating" fights is not a thing to be ashamed of, or feel like wasting time with it, the whole idea of "don't rock the boat" is counterproductive in a society, as well as the "why bother" one.
    Democracy and freedom of expression are essential parts of the ppl's life, without them everything will suffer directly or indirectly, they are worth some collateral damage such as IP rights holders, creativity is very well rewarded today, even if you do it for free, you wont die of hunger.
    M

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  • @maounique, I admire your writing and your thoughts. But to my way of thinking, this entire issue is a non-issue. The original email sent by LSN did not endanger democracy, freedom or human rights. Turning it into that is (IMO) creating a tempest in a teapot. I fully agree with fighting for a cause, when the cause is just, but in this case the "cause" is at best marginal. There are much more worthly battles out there :)

  • MaouniqueMaounique Member
    edited October 2012

    @sleddog said: @maounique, I admire your writing and your thoughts. But to my way of thinking, this entire issue about spam is a non-issue.

    I agree with it fixed like that :).
    But the storm in the teapot was created by LSN that considered the OP issue serious enough to warrant the atomic bomb, nuking LET with a DMCA.
    Nobody here considered the spam issue a matter of life and death, even the OP was feeling flattered they were considering his company and the rest slightly amused at most, but what followed stunned everyone.
    It immediately became something else.
    M

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  • bdtechbdtech Member
    edited October 2012

    I don't understand the uproar. You've never been contacting by companies trying to provide solutions that can benefit your business? Its not like they called your home and woke up your wife at 4AM to sell you celeron based servers with dial-up speeds.

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  • LSN is still a great company, regardless of this crap.

    So meh.

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  • NexusNexus Member
    edited October 2012

    @Bdtech, the OP was acting border-line "humble" and was like "WoW" this large company is emailing me?!?!?

    Then, that company files a DMCA against LET/this thread... They made it into a large uproar by themselves, 24khost did nothing.. LSN blew this way out of proportion. Heck they even filed a copyright claim on imageshack from an uploaded photo taken off their "public" facebook page. They are greedy, filthy and despicable. Stay far away.

    Edit: I am pretty sure I wouldn't give a rat's ass about some guy making a thread about my company on some forum. But that's just me.

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  • Yes, but you see, you do need to 'give a rat's ass' when people most likely will come upto this when searching for your company.

    And they're a real company who's in it for the long haul, so reputation of their brand matters.

    They do what they do very well though, so I don't see this hurting them much.

    Why am I even explaining this, this should be common knowledge <_<;

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  • SimpleNodeSimpleNode Member, Provider

    @bdtech said: I don't understand the uproar.

    From what I can tell, the main thing right now is not that they are spamming, it's the fact that they filed a DMCA against LET.

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  • @SimpleNode I get that now, just don't quite understand how this came about as a post. Seems like companies reach out to others all the time. The email was personal and relevant.

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  • As a current customer of LSN it's disheartening to see the company, who I trust my data with, abuse DMCA.

    In my experience their service and support has been great. Though some direct apologies are due and some departments have room for improvement coughmarketing/salescough.

  • RandyRandy Disabled
    edited October 2012

    @mojeda said: In my experience their service and support has been great.

    +1 . but not for Mr. wooden Block (Andrew.C)...

    Kris .A made a big mistake

  • @Wintereise said: And they're a real company who's in it for the long haul, so reputation of their brand matters.

    Shooting off a frivolous DMCA is not the way to keep your brand clean. It may work with a single blogger, but with a community like this it's akin to kicking a hornet's nest.

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  • @Randy: He's actually a nice guy to talk to...

  • RandyRandy Disabled

    at times yes, but i like Kris and Austin.B or Austin.J

  • @sleddog said: The original email sent by LSN did not endanger democracy, freedom or human rights. Turning it into that is (IMO) creating a tempest in a teapot.

    The issue does need to be made a mountain out of a molehill for the sole reason of DMCA abuse. Sometimes you need to make a stand on small issues so the same tactic is not used later on an important issue. It is too easy to let liberty creep happen as you slowly lose freedoms because it did not affect you. But what about the issue that does affect you? You'll be damn glad someone stood up previously, like here, so it is not even tried.

    We see DMCA abuse being used as a tool to silence legitimate speech far too often. I would not be surprised if it was in the playbook for some of the large rights holders. As the law is written, all that can be done to these abusers is to petition the court for a perjury violation, and a large fine to go with it, hopefully large enough to make those who would abuse the process think twice the next time they think it is ok to file false claims to silence speech.

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  • @mojeda said: As a current customer of LSN it's disheartening to see the company, who I trust my data with, abuse DMCA.

    Escape while you can!

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  • risharderisharde Member
    edited October 2012

    I agree with @VDNet but I could be totally wrong and this is indeed subjective to the person but the email looked like it was personally directed so I beg to differ. BTW, I have no affiliation with the said company but I think that this "SPAM" email was one of those draw the line on what is spam and what isn't. I am of the unpopular opinion that one email has been blown out of proportion and I now feel sorry for LSN since as someone mentioned it is now on Google page 2 when searching for LSN. I would have appreciated that email because no one emails me about good server offers and for me its sometimes nice to redirect my friends and customers to a good deal if one is in fact available. On the other hand, you could just block the lmn networks domain so you receive no more and you did get an apology from what you said. Anyways, what's done is done, I guess LSN might now have to look for another way of promoting their offers/services.

    EDIT: Thanks miTgiB for the heads up.. seems I was somehow thinking about Lifetime Movie Network at the time lol ;)

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  • @risharde said: I guess LMN might now have to look for another way of promoting their offers/services.

    Which they should have done to begin with. You may not feel it was spam, but it was unsolicited, and in violation of CAN-SPAM. If you want to receive those types of offers, I am sure there is someplace to subscribe yourself as being welcome to them, but there are laws against what they did.

    P.S. It's LSN (LimeStone Networks)

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  • @miTgiB said: You may not feel it was spam, but it was unsolicited, and in violation of CAN-SPAM.

    I'll admit that I haven't exactly been following this whole issue very closely, but as far as I can see, there's not enough evidence for me to judge whether the email was in violation of CAN-SPAM or not. Simply being unsolicited does not mean an email is a CAN-SPAM violation.

  • @NickM said: Simply being unsolicited does not mean an email is a CAN-SPAM violation.

    Simply being unsolicited without a prior relationship in fact does make it in violation.

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  • @miTgiB said: Simply being unsolicited without a prior relationship in fact does make it in violation.

    No, actually, it doesn't. You can send unsolicited emails without a prior relationship if you follow all of the guidelines regarding opt-outs, content (marking adult content as "SEXUALLY EXPLICIT", having a relevant subject line, having a valid From header, and the company's address), and sending behavior (not using an open relay, not using email addresses obtained by automated means, and not falsifying any headers).

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  • And had no opt-out link either, at least this is how I understood and 24k said.
    I also feel sorry for LSN, this was probably a mistake they regret (DMCA stuff), but there should be 0 tolerance for things like those, others will look and say, hey, I can scare ppl with that or at least put them in trouble or make them pay (LSN charges for those), so, why not, 0 risks...
    The risks should be high and clear enough so that DMCA is used only in cases where it was supposed to (not that those are just too few, mind you, it can be interpreted too loosely, but this was clearly not one of those borderline cases).
    Even if I dont like it and I am convinced LSN is a solid and supportive host, I have to beat this dead horse so other alive horses wont think to do the same.
    M

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  • I think that when discussing laws we need to keep in mind that 1. the sender and 2. the receiver need to be in the same country for the local laws to apply. This is probably not always the case.

    In the current case it can be argued that LSN violated some US spam laws, but imho that shouldn't be the main point. The main point is trying to suppress negative publicity via questionable copyright notices.

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  • One thing is for certain, it makes a helluva a good thread to follow such discussion and I thank you all for enlightening me as well. Not to sway the topic too much but are there laws related to other mediums like social media? In other words, can someone be held liable for "SPAM" via alternative mediums to email? I'm thinking that if not, that would also be ironic that we still uphold spam laws for email and not for other mediums if you catch my drift

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  • DomainBopDomainBop Member
    edited October 2012

    @risharde _"Not to sway the topic too much but are there laws related to other mediums like social media? In other words, can someone be held liable for "SPAM" via alternative mediums to email?" _

    The CAN-SPAM Act also applies to social network SPAM posted to walls, profiles, news feeds.

    A US Federal Court ruled last year in Facebook, Inc. v. MaxBounty, Inc that messages posted on Facebook walls and news feeds are
    considered “electronic mail messages under the CAN-SPAM Act" which means that they should follow the same guidelines as a commercial message sent by regular email. There were also 2 earlier rulings involving MySpace that also found that social network postings on walls/profiles can be considered spam.

    http://www.pillsburylaw.com/sitefiles/publications/intellectualpropertyvirtualworldsvideogamesclientalertcacourtrulescanspamapplicabletosocialmediamessaging04072011final.pdf

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  • Thanks @DomainBop I really need to read this act in detail then, much appreciated

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  • jcalebjcaleb Moderator

    Was there an apology already?

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  • ChiefChief Member
    edited October 2012

    @jcaleb said: Was there an apology already?

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  • Let me state there was an apology at WHT to me and that community. There was no apology to the LET community.

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