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  • @Infinity580 said:
    phpbb3

    Ew. MyBB all the way or IP.Board if you want to pay for forum software.

  • @aldothetroll said:
    Ew. MyBB all the way or IP.Board if you want to pay for forum software.

    Only seen issues with ipb. Constant upgrade problems. Etc. Look at vpsboard. Upgrade downgrades everywhere.

  • IceCreamIceCream Member
    edited November 2015

    It's simply not the "LET" feeling when we'd switch to vMyPHPBoardBB or whatever. Correct, there are themes and CC or mpkossen could work for hours to get the shit done, but wouldn't you miss Vanillas crappy codebase, security and developers, who are not qualified to ship a production ready product ?

    Thanked by 2Mun GM2015
  • IceCream said: but wouldn't you miss Vanillas crappy codebase, security and developers, who are not qualified to ship a production ready product ?

    I would never, ever miss Vanilla. The only reason people use it is the theme and that's a real shame.

  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @mpkossen said:
    The only reason people use it is the theme and that's a real shame.

    Exactly, that's what got me hooked and back then I couldn't imagine the size of the mess I was getting into.

    "It is being used at LET, can't be so bad!". This was before the hacks and all, obviously.

  • netomxnetomx Moderator, Veteran

    Is there any way to code a forum like Vanilla? It doesnt seem difficult

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran

    netomx said: Is there any way to code a forum like Vanilla? It doesnt seem difficult

    That would be quite the undertaking. We're continuing to look at options but no decisions have been made yet.

    The thing is, Vanilla, at least in part, is what gives LET its character and uniqueness.

    Thanked by 1Mun
  • k0nslk0nsl Member
    edited November 2015

    I'd suggest phpBB3; 3.1.6 is great and I'm sure you could theme it to look somewhat similar to this crappy theme as well ;)

    [edit: fixed grammar.]

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider

    @netomx said:
    Is there any way to code a forum like Vanilla? It doesnt seem difficult

    I started an effort for that, at some point, to replace LEB/LET. Then VPSBoard came along, and that idea pretty much went down the priority list.

    It's certainly not hard to do, it's just a matter of investing the time into it :)

    (I should note that I personally can't stand either BBCode or WYSIWYG editors.)

    Thanked by 1netomx
  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @jbiloh said:
    The thing is, Vanilla, at least in part, is what gives LET its character and uniqueness.

    I agree, it's a different approach to forums and I like the UX even if the backend is a big liability.

    Thanked by 2joepie91 netomx
  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider

    @Nyr said:
    I agree, it's a different approach to forums and I like the UX even if the backend is a big liability.

    Very much this. I far prefer Vanilla's UX over that of any other forum, except for maybe Discourse - and that one is problematic for all the reasons already mentioned.

    Thanked by 1netomx
  • netomxnetomx Moderator, Veteran

    joepie91 said: (I should note that I personally can't stand either BBCode or WYSIWYG editors.)

    If you add basic BBCode, I can send Bitcoins as a donation :)

    Anyone helping this cause? :)

  • @joepie91 said:
    Very much this. I far prefer Vanilla's UX over that of any other forum, except for maybe Discourse - and that one is problematic for all the reasons already mentioned.

    The UX could work on any system. It shouldn't be confused for Vanilla. Making such a theme for any other forum system isn't as large an undertaking as rewriting the forums is.

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider

    mpkossen said: The UX could work on any system. It shouldn't be confused for Vanilla.

    Yes, it's possible - it's just very hard on many platforms. Most forum software doesn't support Markdown for example, and subtle things like jumping to the last unread post when clicking a thread can be very hard to implement; especially when the vendor has a habit of making unannounced breaking changes (looking at you, IPB).

    Making such a theme for any other forum system isn't as large an undertaking as rewriting the forums is.

    Not necessarily. A forum isn't exactly a complex thing to write, especially with the (lack of) features of Vanilla. Sometimes, modifying existing things really does take more time than starting anew.

    Thanked by 1netomx
  • @joepie91 said:
    Not necessarily. A forum isn't exactly a complex thing to write, especially with the (lack of) features of Vanilla. Sometimes, modifying existing things really does take more time than starting anew.

    Which is the case with Vanilla.

  • I must say that markdown has me puzzled. For the same functions, it's a lot harder than html because there are so many versions and you never know what to expect. It is in fact a specialist language. With html any fool can just google and find the answer in two seconds. Consider also that this is a tech forum - or isn't it? There's nothing wrong with expecting users to use basic html or having the knowledge to google for instructions. Other tech forums allow html, even The Register which has a very wide range of users (9.5 million readers). In their words: "HTML is the open standard of the web. Deal with it, bitches." In my opinion the fact that LET uses markdown is an insult to the technical level of its users.

    Thanked by 1netomx
  • I love markdown. Go away, @Ole_Juul! Take your HTML with you! ;-)

    Thanked by 1IceCream
  • Ohh shizzzzz 2.2 is out:

    http://vanillaforums.org/discussion/31121/vanilla-is-proud-to-present-version-2-2

    "You CANNOT DOWNGRADE after upgrading because 2.2 contains a change in password hashing that is irreversible. You would lock yourself (and anyone else who's logged in since the upgrade) out of your account by downgrading."

    Thanked by 1Mark_R
  • "Vanilla is proud to present version 2.2"

    Shouldn't be proud of anything they've done so far.

  • @Infinity580 said:
    phpbb3

    I always liked phpBB, not sure why it isn't more popular

  • @hostnoob said:
    I always liked phpBB, not sure why it isn't more popular

    It made me cry.

  • @Mun said:
    It made me cry.

    And many, many others. Including me.

    Thanked by 1netomx
  • alexvolkalexvolk Member
    edited November 2015
  • XenForo is awesome :)

  • @alexvolk said:
    Xenforo would be best fit for LET with a bit of customization.

    https://xenforo.com/community/threads/anyone-here-who-can-migrate-import-vanilla-to-xenforo.106870/

    no no no no no! DO NOT USE XENFORO!!! it is actually too good of a product for this shitty ass community

    @alegeek said:
    XenForo is awesome :)

    YES, but not for here. This place doesn't deserve it!

    Thanked by 1k0nsl
  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @Mun said:
    no no no no no! DO NOT USE XENFORO!!! it is actually too good of a product for this shitty ass community

    You deserve better than this shittty ass community, please log out and never come back.

    Thanked by 3netomx Brad 0xdragon
  • 0xdragon0xdragon Member
    edited November 2015

    @Nyr said:
    You deserve better than this shittty ass community, please log out and never come back.

    REKT.

    And yes, Xenforo would be great.

  • Mun said: YES, but not for here. This place doesn't deserve it!

    Well, you know. You do not have to spend your time here. It's voluntary.

    Thanked by 1netomx
  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider
    edited November 2015

    @Ole_Juul said:
    I must say that markdown has me puzzled. For the same functions, it's a lot harder than html because there are so many versions and you never know what to expect. It is in fact a specialist language. With html any fool can just google and find the answer in two seconds. Consider also that this is a tech forum - or isn't it? There's nothing wrong with expecting users to use basic html or having the knowledge to google for instructions. Other tech forums allow html, even The Register which has a very wide range of users (9.5 million readers). In their words: "HTML is the open standard of the web. Deal with it, bitches." In my opinion the fact that LET uses markdown is an insult to the technical level of its users.

    HTML is also considerably harder to do right. There's actually a specification for Markdown now - I'd consider any implementation that doesn't follow it, to be broken.

    alexvolk said: Xenforo would be best fit for LET with a bit of customization.

    XenForo is fairly solid, but I'm not sure you can make the UX match that of Vanilla. It being proprietary is also a downside. And I don't think it supports edit versioning...

    Thanked by 1netomx
  • @Nyr said:
    You deserve better than this shittty ass community, please log out and never come back.

    Want to keep all the filth to yourself I see.

    Thanked by 1GM2015
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