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I know it's a very insignificant amount in the grand scheme of things but you could possibly file a police report and contact the bank in question in regards to the fraudulent activity of this user as you have logs and proof of payment aswell as proof of agreement via here.
Dunno though, food for thought I guess.
The police won't do anything. In my experience, Royal Mail has stupid prices but are generally reliable. It seems like the same organisations are always the ones to claim things have been lost in the post: train companies who won't want to refund tickets for delayed trains, Student Finance England etc.
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@infinity do you have his address/details? Small claims court is worth a look if you're both in the UK...
I've never had RM lose anything tracked. Delayed yes but the don't lose stuff in my experience. 2 parcels seems suspicious - plus if he really did send them tracked he has insurance so no loss to him to refund you.
not really worth the hassle is it.. £25-35 court costs alone.
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Costs would go against Ben if they found in Infinity's favour so that's a non issue.
then actually getting the cash would cost even more if he refused to pay.
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Collection fees (if he doesn't pay) would also also would go against Ben.
However, holding out on paying would be stupid - bayliffs knocking on your neighbours doors is (I imagine) terribly embarrassing. Probably lives with his mum too?
but this would be illegal (worldwide)
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That's not how it works. There is hassle and frustration involved, yes, but you wouldn't necessarily be out of pocket. That would only happen if you used the courts for a writ to have the debt enforced at his address. By that time, though, the expense of it all would be so great, the debtor would want it all cleared off.
them knocking, stating who they are and who they search? Why would this be illegal? They just can't tell them amount/reason if the person at the door is not the one searched.
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Yes it is. if the client refuses you have to force him (but even then it's pointless). Same with debt collection, they are pointless as they have no rights.
On someone totally unrelated to the client in question yes. i know it's banned in most western countries in the likes of "israel" i probably guess not. And for searches it's usually done by credit records.
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Clearly you've never been through the process. It can cost money to recover a debt, yes, but sanctions can be placed on the debtor to recover it. It's not pointless, it's just hassle which I stated.
Clearly i have... the client in question was on benefits, was pointless going after him really. getting £400+ from someone like that is on borderline impossible.
People like him make me sick.
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Staged payments would still be possible so returning the debt is still there.
@TarZZ92 - I have to ask, are you a friend of @Ben1002? All your recent contributions to this thread have been entirely incorrect. @MartinD is right that it would be hassle, but if you've been ripped off then you should try to seek a resolution, or at least make an informed decision how to proceed knowing your rights. Don't forget its also a hassle for the guy on the other end of it, and as long as you're willing to endure more hassle than they are, you can win.
Incorrect. A bailiff (or county court sheriff) can't discuss what they are enforcing, or put your neighbours under pressure to reveal information. But they are entirely within their rights to knock on their door, identify themselves and politely ask if they know anything about your whereabouts/comings and goings.
The neighbour doesn't have to tell them anything, and can ask them to leave. I'm sure they very rarely get information from neighbours, but I assume they are more interested in information flowing the other way
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To be honest, he's probably too busy spending it on CK underwear, aftershave, deodorant and Vendetta masks...
yeh something stupid like £1/£2 a month, i rather have him shot (not literally)
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Which is still recovering the debt and costing you nothing. Even better, if they make such a small payment, they will have a CCJ against them for quite a long time which is bad for them.
Don't be an idiot. i cannot count how many times i have attacked him (professionally)
Are you a lawyer?
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This is providing they even agree to this. and to these lower class people i am not sure CCJ etc even matter.
it was written off in the end.
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There is no agreement required. A CCJ is enforced by the court, that's the whole point. There's no pissing about asking them to agree to something. The CCJ is issued based on a figure that the court deems appropriate.
Yes i know that. but like i said this person would simply NOT pay. where honestly could you take money from? but that's no big deal anymore since it was written off.
bailiffs cannot do much either, since they would need peaceful entry.
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bailiffs cannot do much either, since they would need peaceful entry.
If they're on benefits, the benefits get sanctioned.
not something i considered at the time to be fair. but surely they could oppose that?
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No, that's the point I'm trying to make. The court decides, not the debtor. What the court says goes. Even if it's just £1/month, that's still repaying and the court has the power to make that happen despite any protest.
Neighbour != totally unrelated, this practice is fully legal in DE-AT-CH - Our debt collection is also done by government, so they can do pretty much whatever they want anyway. i'm ver certain this is similar in nearly all EU countries - Else it would be regulated by the EU.
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am sure it's different in that case though. as here it's all done by private companies.
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I am really sad when I see such things, people taking the money for some unk hardware and run
It is sad for both the scammer and the scammed. Human nature, I guess.
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surprised me they bought it. it's quite expensive for what he was offering
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I was looking into the ssd, I have many situations when I need to park some db there, 64 gb should do.
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Tip . . . if someone you don't know asks you to send money via a method that is impossible or difficult to reverse, you're about to be scammed.
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Yeah, honestly it was a little silly, but I did think that Ben was someone that was trusted, he'd been around for a long time and I've talked to him a few times before this. Oh well.
I'll contact my bank and see how far I get.
Oh come on people! Stop being rageous! He is on a Moose vacation! Goshhhh!
I will not offer any services over here, I am almost all day on my taco vacations!
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Contacting your bank or the police or a court won't do anything. A CCJ could hypothetically be issued IF you go through the hassle, a court hears it, you go through more hassle, the court decides you're right, probably based on essentially no evidence and finally he still decides not to pay. The impact of a CCJ depends on the situation - if he's broke then, in the UK, he can't really be forced to pay. Baliffs can't do anything to individuals if the individual knows their rights - they rely on scare tactics - and guess who pays for said baliff. If the individual is scared of the CCJ they will pay the £20 at the very last minute after you've wasted hours jumping through hoops.
Give up, move on.
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42 GBP instead of 28, it is a big difference.
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Quite possible that something happened, which is why I'm not shouting trading standards, bailifs or anything. Having said that, he's had plenty of time to send it out though and has said that he has done so. It's not an amount that's worth my hassle considering I'm pretty busy these days but I guess a lesson for me not to trust people who are seemingly trustworthy.
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I'm not really expecting anything, I'm not going to the court because it really isn't worth my time and Ben could really have had something come up where he can't send it. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.