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Feeling Paranoid? Come and share your thoughts!

Hey guys!

Let's do a sharing of the minds.

Tell me how you would secure yourself from external surveillance?

Assume your adversary is capable of one trillion guesses of your password per second. Assume your adversary will perform a wiretap on all your networks.

Assume you have one week to gather resources and perform everything you need. After a week, your adversary has complete control. They know your identity and everything about you, except what you do on the net. You'd like to keep it that way.

I want to hear everything. From TAILS and TOR to anti-physical surveillance tactics such as playing music between windows.

Thanks!

Tagging in @William as he seems to always have some interesting information on this topic :)

PS: I'm so getting red-flagged for this :-(

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  • are you planning to join isis or what >.>

  • @0xdragon have you been smoking something new? the stuff that starts you melow then really paranoid ?

  • BharatBBharatB Member, Patron Provider
    edited September 2015

    @ehab said:
    0xdragon have you been smoking something new? the stuff that starts you melow then really paranoid ?

    I bet hez smoking server meth :P

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  • Assuming the above-stated parameters are true, then you're truly and utterly fucked. However, the above-stated parameters are impossible, so I know for absolute certainty that well tested technologies and a decent password are sufficient to keep me safe.

  • Whonix is great

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  • OvBSD is greater

  • Win 3.1 on an offline workstation where you feed it floppy disks

    Thanked by 2gestiondbi netomx
  • 0xdragon said: Assume your adversary will perform a wiretap on all your networks.

    Passive or active? (I.e., can the adversary modify data on the wire?). In the latter case you are hosed more than in the former case, but you're still hosed either way.

  • @0xdragon said:
    They know your identity and everything about you, except what you do on the net.

    Game over, all it takes is a single 0-day and it's not like those are rare - there's a whole legal industry around them and lettered agencies are the primary allowed customers. So you're looking at frequent hardware changes, no web browsers etc.

  • @ehab said:
    0xdragon have you been smoking something new? the stuff that starts you melow then really paranoid ?

    nope he is smoking computer security training meth lol
    hey this is the mindset they teach you in computer security to always watch your back and make sure no one gets into your networks, servers, etc.
    you know always thinking what if and how can I secure my network more and furthermore close any vulnerabilities etc.

  • 0xdragon said: I want to hear everything. From TAILS and TOR to anti-physical surveillance tactics such as playing music between windows.

    I download Wikipedia, take a laptop and move to Western Sahara.

  • @timnboys said:
    you know always thinking what if and how can I secure my network more and furthermore close any vulnerabilities etc.

    if you have something to hide no matter how much security installed there is always that annoying voice to belittle it. anything on the net is vulnerable ... isolation / encryption / 2 way authentications helps bring sleep.

  • In fact they ARE (well at least their brothers in law from the GCHQ):
    https://theintercept.com/2015/09/25/gchq-radio-porn-spies-track-web-users-online-identities/

    German article: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Von-Webradio-zu-Pornoseiten-Weltgroesste-Ueberwachungsmaschine-der-Briten-2826716.html

    The religious believe that governments are good, and everything is just fine is remarkable!

    Sorry for not having a solution. Killing them all is pointless as long as the majority of people doesn't support that, and you don't have a detailed masterplan for the time after the "global cleanup".

  • netomxnetomx Moderator, Veteran

    I think that if they are doing it, you can't stop it, so try to live the life and forget about that

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  • I would seek out Tom Cruise and Liam Neeson. But I agree with netomx, try to live on and not think about it. I like the idea of off grid living out in the woods, not to hide from big government, I just don't get along well with most people.

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  • apidevlabapidevlab Member
    edited September 2015

    Well worth a read in the current climate: https://cryptome.org/ukpk-alt.htm

    By 1975,James Ellis, Clifford Cocks and Malcolm Williamson had discovered all the fundamental aspects of public-key cryptography, yet they all had to remain silent.

  • @0xdragon said: Hey guys! Let's do a sharing of the minds. Tell me how you would secure yourself from external surveillance? (…)

    Budget?

  • scyscy Member
    edited September 2015

    Not much you can do about it. You can protect a bit yourself from advertising tracking using a few browser plugins. But global surveillance is a fact you can't do much against as long as you connect to the internets, from my limited understanding.

    Be an as good citizen as you can. You'll be fine.

    Thanked by 1netomx
  • aglodekaglodek Member
    edited September 2015

    @scy said: Be an as good citizen as you can. You'll be fine.

    Now, where's the fun in that? ;)

    Thanked by 1netomx
  • scyscy Member
    edited September 2015

    aglodek said: Now, where's the fun in that? ;)

    If you don't find the fun in that, you probably need to learn again what fun really means ;)

    image

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  • 0xdragon0xdragon Member
    edited September 2015

    Australian Data Retention Laws. ;-)

    Oh, and I watched citizenfour, if you're wondering why I opened this thread! And a Batchelor in Computer Security.

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  • 0xdragon said: Australian Data Retention Laws. ;-)

    Oh, and I watched citizenfour, if you're wondering why I opened this thread! And a Batchelor in Computer Security.

    So you only want to avoid automated/mass surveillance? That is very difficult because the other people you are in contact with still use gmail, upload their contacts to fb/whatsapp servers, etc. .

    If it's just the ISP data retention then use a VPN or Tor. :) It's like the Australian government made a law that reads "pay $10-100 a year to a company outside Australia to keep your privacy".

  • @4n0nx said:
    If it's just the ISP data retention then use a VPN or Tor. :) It's like the Australian government made a law that reads "pay $10-100 a year to a company outside Australia to keep your privacy".

    Literally.

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  • 0xdragon said: Literally.

    mmhmmm not figuratively

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  • yum update isis
    yum remove usapower
    yum remove 0xdragon
    yum install BarrackObama.

    What is this @0xdragon maybe this could be a little stress that cause you.

  • 0xdragon said: Australian Data Retention Laws. ;-)

    Oh, and I watched citizenfour, if you're wondering why I opened this thread! And a Batchelor in Computer Security.

    You are a dangerous citizen. I don't want to read what's going on in your crazy mind anymore.

    /ignore 0xdragon

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited September 2015

    I am more dangerous than him, I help people avoid surveillance every day, but it is proving difficult, the main issue is between the chair and the keyboard.

    Besides the technical things, you must have dual identities at least. This means you do something on the plain internet and another over Freenet/Tor, separate VMs with encrypted disks for each, if you have to keep some data, or something like Tails, if not.

    I mean, Mr. Anderson by Day and Neo, by night, kind of thing. Have everything destroy itself if you do enter a certain password at the screensaver or the disk wiped if do the same thing at boot, have the OS log you out regularly, say, every 10 minutes, have your OS run in RAM, and other measures to protect against raids and gun to the head things. If you will die anyway, why risk the lives of the people that trusted you.

    Since they already know who are you, the main identity must be real and use your real IP, you will do the regular things on the internet, listen to music, watch movies, shop, do banking, play games, etc. It will not be possible to mask an encrypted connection, really, if they can control the other end (every other end you have access to) but it will not be easy to decrypt it. You should use cascading encryption, at least 3 ways from different projects and with different approaches, so, one 0day will not expose you.

    There are ways, nothing is completely safe, if the state is after you, they wont go to such lengths except if they want to find out whom you are in contact with to do them the same they do to you (disappearance, torture, death), otherwise they will finish you off by some "accident". They kill prominent opposition figures, in Russia, for example, North Korea does not even need proof, suspicion you are thinking illegally is enough. There are many people in the world, especially in china, governments afford to kill many before the country starts going to hell, we need to reduce populations and democracy will have a bigger role to play in the world, the wars they plan will help but not enough, we still need education, it cannot be avoided if we want to be free. As long as propaganda and FUD keep working they won there is no chance to fight other than blend in the crowd.

    People do not stop and think why the TV man wants them to hate someone (a minority a nation, a religion whatever) they go with the blind hatred, not thinking who will lose in the war, as long as they think they can drop some bombs and their religion will triumph with no other cost, they will. The more enemies they will make this way, the more "danger" and the more powers to the TV and the government against them they will grant.

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