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  • jarlandjarland Administrator
    edited December 2016

    Added:

    If you PM me and ask for the provider tag, I'll know you haven't read this. I'll also assume that you don't care about our community.

    Seems fair. If you don't care to take the time to read the rules that our community has approved, then I assume you do not care about the people you want to market to.

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  • Sir, please give this account "Provider" tag ? I think I passed all rules on this topic

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  • jarlandjarland Administrator
    edited December 2016

    JUNI said: Sir, please give this account "Provider" tag ? I think I passed all rules on this topic

    You just proved to me without a doubt that you didn't read the rules. Why should this community be interested in your offers if you can't take a few minutes to do that?

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  • JUNIJUNI Member
    edited December 2016

    @jarland said:

    JUNI said: Sir, please give this account "Provider" tag ? I think I passed all rules on this topic

    You just proved to me without a doubt that you didn't read the rules. Why should this community be interested in your offers if you can't take a few minutes to do that?

    I am really sorry about what you think, but I have been provider here before, it's just my another account

    And I have asked you on PM because last time you updated me by PM.

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  • @JUNI said:

    @jarland said:

    JUNI said: Sir, please give this account "Provider" tag ? I think I passed all rules on this topic

    You just proved to me without a doubt that you didn't read the rules. Why should this community be interested in your offers if you can't take a few minutes to do that?

    I am really sorry about that, But I really read it now

    You posting in this thread proves otherwise. Go away.

  • JUNI said: I am really sorry about what you think, but I have been provider here before, it's just my another account

    Are multiple accounts allowed? @jarland

  • jarlandjarland Administrator

    @bersy said:

    JUNI said: I am really sorry about what you think, but I have been provider here before, it's just my another account

    Are multiple accounts allowed? @jarland

    Yeah, but being deceptive about it is not. So basically if at any point you would not want other members to know that you had multiple accounts, it would basically not be allowed.

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  • jarlandjarland Administrator
    edited December 2016

    That @JUNI member was denied a provider tag and banned on both accounts. He is not welcome here. After repeatedly requesting that he read the rules he continued to harass me over PM, which continually proved that he had not read the rules.

    I have a very simple philosophy here: If you don't care about the members of this community enough to read what's important to them (their offer requirements), then you don't deserve to come into their space and ask for their money.

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  • What is the policy on stuff like this?

    https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/1978002

    Including stuff in the offer that's not within LEB limits, but not making a full list of items.

  • jarlandjarland Administrator

    @teamacc said: What is the policy on stuff like this?

    https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/1978002

    Including stuff in the offer that's not within LEB limits, but not making a full list of items.

    I'm generally okay with something like "Here's a list of the LET approved plans and order links. For more available offerings click here."

    Something equivalent to that I'm fine with. It's roughly the same as linking to your front page in the offer, to me.

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  • teamaccteamacc Member
    edited December 2016

    @jarland said:

    @teamacc said: What is the policy on stuff like this?

    https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/1978002

    Including stuff in the offer that's not within LEB limits, but not making a full list of items.

    I'm generally okay with something like "Here's a list of the LET approved plans and order links. For more available offerings click here."

    Something equivalent to that I'm fine with. It's roughly the same as linking to your front page in the offer, to me.

    What about the "clickbait" title announcing all other plans that dont fit the price limits?

    Edit: also, what about not listing the recurring price like here: https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/99633/ssd-shared-hosting-in-eu-free-ssl-certificates-daily-backup-ddos-protection

    Or a LET admin (@ishaq) going against the 15/year rule for companies less than 1 year old here? https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/97815/uk-ssd-cpanel-litespeed-daily-backups-ddos-protection-black-friday-reseller-9-99-year/p1

  • jarlandjarland Administrator
    edited December 2016

    @teamacc said:

    @jarland said:

    @teamacc said: What is the policy on stuff like this?

    https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/1978002

    Including stuff in the offer that's not within LEB limits, but not making a full list of items.

    I'm generally okay with something like "Here's a list of the LET approved plans and order links. For more available offerings click here."

    Something equivalent to that I'm fine with. It's roughly the same as linking to your front page in the offer, to me.

    What about the "clickbait" title announcing all other plans that dont fit the price limits?

    Edit: also, what about not listing the recurring price like here: https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/99633/ssd-shared-hosting-in-eu-free-ssl-certificates-daily-backup-ddos-protection

    Or a LET admin (@ishaq) going against the 15/year rule for companies less than 1 year old here? https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/97815/uk-ssd-cpanel-litespeed-daily-backups-ddos-protection-black-friday-reseller-9-99-year/p1

    A thing I'd like you to heavily consider is this: What have LET members voted on in terms of rules and what things are bothering LET members? Going and hunting down every post that breaks a tiny rule on a technicality, where the rule isn't one that was voted on but rather imposed by someone along the way, and where no one is complaining about it, what is the problem?

    I'm trying to understand your motivation. Do offer posts bother you? Do they take away from your experience on LET?

    A lot of the small rules were simply imposed, not voted on by members, and haven't been enforced for a long time. A lot of those small technicalities are going to go to member vote soon, after the holidays.

    Skating around the pricing limits is obviously a big deal, members voted on that and multiple members report it when it happens. A reputable long time member breaking the rule of "can't be over $15/year if company exists less than one year" just doesn't bother me, and the lack of reports means that it's not bothering other members either. That's the kind of rule we should reconsider and vote on after the holidays.

    My job is to carry out the will of the members, my read on the temperature of this place is that the members are not necessarily concerned with all of the rules that were imposed without their involvement. Another example is that no one cares about WHOIS privacy when the host is well known here.

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  • alownalown Member
    edited December 2016

    @jarland has eloquently stated the feeling I started to type but couldn't quite express. If we're going to complain, let it be the form of "x has occurred and is creating negative impact y". If a specific offer is missing something important, or breaks a rule that causes some issue, it can easily be discussed on that offer and we can get some good insight on how much the rest of the community cares.

    Posting links on an announcement and asking leading questions feels too much like mindless tattling for my taste.

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  • I think the intent of the rules is to ferret out the one hit wonders who come in without a provider tag and post offers or the ones who do the bare minimum with truly insipid replies and necro threads to reach the amount necessary to be a provider. Then they turn around and post all of their stuff for sale regardless of rules. I think those are the ones that the rules find and allow an avenue to ban. People like @ishaq (and many others) have been on the site for years, then started a company. Plus they open discussions and comment on discussions regularly. They are not here to take peoples money and run away as they have actively participated after their companies have started. So the occasional oops a mistake was made could be handled elegantly by a forum member by sending a private message saying - hey you stuff is cool, contributions are awesome to forum, but I think you made an oops. Civility for active participants goes a long long way.

  • @jarland said: I'm trying to understand your motivation. Do offer posts bother you? Do they take away from your experience on LET?

    I like interpreting and explaining rules, hence my intermittent request for clarification on stuff.

    Skating around the pricing limits is obviously a big deal, members voted on that and multiple members report it when it happens. A reputable long time member breaking the rule of "can't be over $15/year if company exists less than one year" just doesn't bother me, and the lack of reports means that it's not bothering other members either. That's the kind of rule we should reconsider and vote on after the holidays.

    It does not bother me either, just the controversy about ishaq being a provider AND a LET admin that was so overly discussed a few months back bothers me, especially if he does not follow the rules of his own forum. IMO he should be held to at least the same, if not higher, standards regarding this kind of stuff. Providers have been (temp) banned for less, and an admin should be aware of the rules.

    Basically, the admin should be held to higher standards when posting, especially if it's not a gray area.

    I have nothing against ishaq and like what he does for the community, let that be clear.

    Skating around the pricing limits is obviously a big deal,

    Hence the virpus link, my gut tells me that that offer has been designed to skate around the price limits.

  • @jarland what is the politic regarding paying but getting more credit than what you paid ?
    I mean, register an account on our cloud service is charged 10€ but we credit the account with 100€ is it against the 7$ rule ?

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  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Provider

    @Ikoula said: @jarland what is the politic regarding paying but getting more credit than what you paid ?
    I mean, register an account on our cloud service is charged 10€ but we credit the account with 100€ is it against the 7$ rule ?

    I assume this is a one-time sign-up bonus? I'm not forum staff, but I would imagine that this runs afoul of the "must be under $7 recurring" rule, if it's a one-time bonus. Eventually you'd run out of your promotional $100, and it would then cost $10 instead of the effective promotional price of $1.

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  • I agree with you that's why i ask the question + i was thinking this could eventually be added to rules.

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  • trewqtrewq Super Moderator
    edited December 2016

    Sign up bonuses for depositing funds is fine however you must also have a normal offer in the same thread. Getting credit for paying for services is not a valid loophole for the $7 rule. Service offers must all be under $7.

    If that's not clear enough ask and I'll rephrase.

  • The 100$ credit can be used to deploy VMs that are normaly charged < 7$
    What i understand is if it had been 7$ instead of 10$ to get the credit it would have been ok. That's correct ?

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  • trewqtrewq Super Moderator

    @Ikoula said: The 100$ credit can be used to deploy VMs that are normaly charged < 7$
    What i understand is if it had been 7$ instead of 10$ to get the credit it would have been ok. That's correct ?

    While that's not technically a rule I would say that's ok, it depends how it's received by the community.

  • @trewq said:

    @Ikoula said: The 100$ credit can be used to deploy VMs that are normaly charged < 7$
    What i understand is if it had been 7$ instead of 10$ to get the credit it would have been ok. That's correct ?

    While that's not technically a rule I would say that's ok, it depends how it's received by the community.

    the cloud.net BF offer had a similar thingy in it: you can top up your credit balance, but you need to add at least 25 usd to it at a time. Actual vps costs less than 7 usd/month.

    Not sure how i feel about that kind of stuff though, but great price for a brazil vps.

  • @trewq well the 10$ "entry fee" cannot be changed for the moment so i will make another post, thank you for clairifications.

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  • @Ikoula said: @trewq well the 10$ "entry fee" cannot be changed for the moment so i will make another post, thank you for clairifications.

    If possible, you could frame this under a <49/year vps maybe, with the first year being cheaper due to free credit

  • Thanks but no, i will not skate the rules.

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  • jarlandjarland Administrator

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  • @jarland Can I get a "Turgid" Member tag? I'm not trying to sell anything- except to myself.

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  • Thanks, I had read it again .

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  • jarlandjarland Administrator
    edited December 2016

    @GigsGigs said: Thanks, I had read it again .

    Nope, still haven't. Can confirm. I've asked you to read them twice, this post follows my second request where you again proved you hadn't read the rules.

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  • @WSS said: @jarland Can I get a "Turgid" Member tag? I'm not trying to sell anything- except to myself.

    Never heard of Turgid but there is a membership type called Medium. When you post you get a orange badge.

    Only some users can get it. I got it 2-3 times till now but @ishaq downgraded me again.

    You can request it.

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  • IshaqIshaq Administrator

    That is a warning level not a membership type.

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  • jarlandjarland Administrator

    @GigsGigs banned for repeatedly harassing me via PM for the provider tag. After stating to me that he read the rules three times, he proved each time that he hadn't read the first paragraph.

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  • AmitzAmitz Super Moderator

    jarland said: @GigsGigs banned for repeatedly harassing me via PM for the provider tag. After stating to me that he read the rules three times, he proved each time that he hadn't read the first paragraph.

    Not a loss at all. Well done! :)

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  • @jarland said: @GigsGigs banned for repeatedly harassing me via PM for the provider tag. After stating to me that he read the rules three times, he proved each time that he hadn't read the first paragraph.

    They had their provider tag removed on 12th December, so how did they previously get the tag?

  • jarlandjarland Administrator

    @jesin said:

    @jarland said: @GigsGigs banned for repeatedly harassing me via PM for the provider tag. After stating to me that he read the rules three times, he proved each time that he hadn't read the first paragraph.

    They had their provider tag removed on 12th December, so how did they previously get the tag?

    If you ask for it and your account meets the requirements we generally give it.

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  • I've anyways admired the reasonable reset here that prevents SPAMmy and scammy adverts.

    The regulations are actually quite easy to adhere to if you're any sort of provider - Pryce constraints are less than many would like to be held to, yet not so low that ther provider isn't still profiting.

  • How to get provider tag ??

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  • OhMyMyOhMyMy Member

    @codesixs read the absolute first damn post in this damn thread 6 times out loud very very slowly and you might get a damn clue

  • I love it. Hes been told a few times in the past week to get a provider tag. Ignores those comments, posts an offer thread and immediately gets banned. Just love it.

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