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Server in Poland

Server in Poland

Can anyone offer a server (dedicated or VPS) in Poland with the following specs:

  • 2 (v)Cores
  • KVM, VMware or Xen virtualisation (no OpenVZ, please)
  • CentOS 6.x, 64 Bit
  • 20 GB of HDD space
  • shared gigabit port with max. 15 TB of montly traffic
  • /27 subnet
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  • doghouchdoghouch Member
    edited August 2016

    Include your budget so you don't freak out when you find out that it's $7/mo.

    ... and you're probably going to have hosts block port 25

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  • ZeastZeast Member
    edited August 2016

    Copypaste

    CPU 2x 3 Ghz
    RAM 2GB
    HDD 100GB
    Transfer bez limitu!
    Łącze do 100Mb/s
    Dowolny system Linux
    2 adres IP
    SolusVM - Panel zarządzający VPS 
    Darmowy serwer DNS
    Uptime 99,9%  
    

    54 PLN = 14.21 USD~

    https://panel.sldc.eu/cart.php?gid=30
    I think u will need to talk with support for more ips

    They sell Dedicated Servers too
    https://panel.sldc.eu/cart.php?gid=32

    yyyyyy

  • WilliamWilliam Member, Provider

    Expect to pay 2EUR/IP. You'll also pay over 20% VAT as foreigner and non-EU person.

  • aglodekaglodek Member
    edited August 2016

    @William said: Expect to pay 2EUR/IP. You'll also pay over 20% VAT as foreigner and non-EU person.

    Polish VAT rate is 23%. Sales to non-residents of EU are (in theory) exempt from VAT. Same rules as everywhere else in EU.

    Andrew Glodek | Special Projects Director | 香港國際商務中心 HONG KONG INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS CENTRE
  • WilliamWilliam Member, Provider
    edited August 2016

    aglodek said: Sales to non-residents of EU are (in theory) exempt from VAT

    In theory. Because they are not. You're going to pay VAT at nearly anyone as non-EU company or person - I do so at Atman and Futurehost and it annoys the fuck out of me.

  • time4vpstime4vps Member, Provider

    William said: You're going to pay VAT at nearly anyone as non-EU company or person

    If you are non-EU business entity or private person - you don't have to pay VAT. If there is otherwise - it's a bogus business practice.

    Time4VPS - time for your personal server

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  • theqkashtheqkash Member
    edited August 2016

    @Anthony2016 said: Can anyone offer a server (dedicated or VPS) in Poland with the following specs:

    • 2 (v)Cores
    • KVM, VMware or Xen virtualisation (no OpenVZ, please)
    • CentOS 6.x, 64 Bit
    • 20 GB of HDD space
    • shared gigabit port with max. 15 TB of montly traffic
    • /27 subnet

    Hello,

    https://webh.pl/serwery-vps-kvm

    2 cores of Intel Xeon E5

    4 GB RAM

    40 GB SSD space

    unlimited data transfer

    49 zł / month = 12,87USD

    Each IP address is 10zł = 2,6USD

    If you will buy that number of IP addresses, you can contact them to have some discount for that service.

    For first month you can use STARTKVM code, which will apply 90% discount.

    All prices are including VAT, but if you're not-eu resident, you can contact them too to have netto prices only there.

  • WilliamWilliam Member, Provider

    time4vps said: If you are non-EU business entity or private person - you don't have to pay VAT. If there is otherwise - it's a bogus business practice.

    And you know Polish laws since when? Lithuania ain't Poland bro.

    ATM/Atman is one of the largest DCs in PL and i had lenghty discussions with their accounting how the Seychelles do not qualify as tax exempt....

  • aglodekaglodek Member
    edited August 2016

    Welcome to the real world of running a business in Poland, where accountants, not managers or business owners call the shots. And they are conservative in the extreme. Not surprising really, given that rule of law is a very foreign concept to most Polish, notably those in government employ, making for a very business-unfriendly tax regime. As opposed to, say, Hong Kong ;)

    Andrew Glodek | Special Projects Director | 香港國際商務中心 HONG KONG INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS CENTRE
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  • Thank you all for your help!

    @theqkash: We can also bring a /24 subnet for a BGP session. "Serwery Dedykowane - Start" looks nice: https://webh.pl/serwery-dedykowane-ssd Have you ever rented a server from webh.pl? I contacted them 5 days ago, but never got a reply.

  • jiggawattzjiggawattz Member
    edited August 2016

    aglodek said: Welcome to the real world of running a business in Poland, where accountants, not managers or business owners call the shots. And they are conservative in the extreme. Not surprising really, given that rule of law is a very foreign concept to most Polish, notably those in government employ, making for a very business-unfriendly tax regime. As opposed to, say, Hong Kong ;)

    http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/telecom/index_en.htm

    I am not sure how "effectively used & enjoyed" applies in this context or if an EU court has ruled on it - but presumably Poland opts-in to VAT on foreigners "using and enjoying" hosting in their country.

    This is not likely a "bogus business practice" or some form of corruption.

  • William said: In theory. Because they are not. You're going to pay VAT at nearly anyone as non-EU company or person - I do so at Atman and Futurehost and it annoys the fuck out of me.

    I am really not trying to stoke more of racist, vitriolic viciousness that LET fosters...

    But complaining about usury in Poland with that flag in your profile picture... has interesting historical irony.

  • @Anthony2016 Im from Poland so i can maybe help you little bit.

    Dont buy from sldc.eu, its not premium host. Ive been with them for some time, and i moved.

    Maybe try sprint.pl - ive been with them for over 6 months, they are very customer friendly and they are quality host. Sprint.pl is i would say one of most affordable DCs in Poland, and their servers are best deal per buck because of support they provide. Most servers in sprint.pl are supermicro servers with IPMI and thats big +

    There are also cheaper providers like mintshost.pl but their support is far from perfect. If you can accept downtimes go with mihtshost.

  • @dotheimsgard said:

    Do you have any knowledge of, or experience with Tiktalik? (https://tiktalik.com/en/pricing)

    Andrew Glodek | Special Projects Director | 香港國際商務中心 HONG KONG INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS CENTRE
  • aglodekaglodek Member
    edited August 2016

    @jiggawattz said: I am not sure how "effectively used & enjoyed" applies in this context or if an EU court has ruled on it - but presumably Poland opts-in to VAT on foreigners "using and enjoying" hosting in their country.

    In Poland, it's more like what each individual tax office director opts-in to - not the country as a whole. Understandably, accountants practice erring on the side of caution and advise business owners accordingly ;)

    Most recent legislation, like the Clause Against Tax Avoidance, taking tax authorities' "freedom of interpretation" to new heights, will surely not make accountants' and business owners' minds at ease.

    Andrew Glodek | Special Projects Director | 香港國際商務中心 HONG KONG INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS CENTRE
  • Some short review of another polish host: stay away from exone.pl if you host anything even remotely resembling production. Their network has had some recent downtimes which they dont inform their customers of. (takes down their main site as well)

    Yo mama so fat each of her butt-cheeks has it's own /8.

  • @Anthony2016 said: Thank you all for your help!

    @theqkash: We can also bring a /24 subnet for a BGP session. "Serwery Dedykowane - Start" looks nice: https://webh.pl/serwery-dedykowane-ssd Have you ever rented a server from webh.pl? I contacted them 5 days ago, but never got a reply.

    I have a lot of services from them, including dedicated servers. How do you have contacted them? I would try to ask them what's the matter there. I were not having any problems with contact with webh.pl.

  • Anthony2016Anthony2016 Member
    edited August 2016

    100 Mbps are not enough for the purpose of a VPN service. We need 10 to 15 TB on a gigabit uplink. Nowadays 100 Mbps or more for DSL customers are normal, look at this offer from UPC in Germany for example: https://www.unitymedia.de/privatkunden/internet/internet/internet-premium-120/ - you get 120 Mbps download speed for only 29.99€, and these hosting providers only offer machines with max. 100 Mbps for an affordable price. :(

    webh.pl is strange:

    Does anyone have experience with these two Polish hosting companies:

    http://www.dediserv.eu

    https://hosteam.pl

    Which one is better?

  • http://www.dediserv.eu

    https://hosteam.pl

    Which one is better? Sprint.pl 1 gbps line with $10 per 10TB as far as i remember. Seriously you wont find better deal per buck. I got from them Xeon 1230v3 with 32 gigs ram, 2x120gb ssd for $59 a month.

  • I contacted sprint. Let's wait how they react.

    By the way: Here's the answer from webh.pl:

    Isn't that ridiculous?

  • @William said:

    time4vps said: If you are non-EU business entity or private person - you don't have to pay VAT. If there is otherwise - it's a bogus business practice.

    And you know Polish laws since when? Lithuania ain't Poland bro.

    ATM/Atman is one of the largest DCs in PL and i had lenghty discussions with their accounting how the Seychelles do not qualify as tax exempt....

    Poland is member of the EU VAT list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_value_added_tax

    If you reside (or your company) outside of these countries you don't have to pay VAT. Especially if you are registered in Seychelles, there are no taxes/VAT for this country.

  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Provider
    edited August 2016

    @Qarizma we all agree how it works by law. Now try to get it done with any local company in the real world. Good luck.

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  • Clouvider said: @Qarizma we all agree how it works by law. Now try to get it done with any local company. Good luck.

    I am not convinced it's not Poland's right to charge VAT.

    http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/telecom/index_en.htm

    Business or consumer outside the EU

    No EU VAT charged.

    Example A Hungarian company sells an anti-virus program to be downloaded through its website to businesses or private individuals in Australia. NO VAT But if the service is effectively used & enjoyed in an EU country, that country can decide to levy VAT (option for Member States).

  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Provider
    edited August 2016

    I don't think it is. The place of supply for tax purposes is moved to the country where the buyer is from. See VAT MOSS. That's why if you live in the UK and buy a VPS in Germany, you pay German company the UK VAT rate that Germany then returns back to the UK.

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    Web hosting in Cloud | SSD & SAS True Cloud VPS on OnApp | Private Cloud | Dedicated Servers | Colocation | Managed Services

  • Yes - I am familiar with VAT MOSS. It's even described on the website I linked.

    However, Germany/UK are EU. It seems - from the website - member states have the legal discretion to collect VAT - even if it's arbitrary - in this situation. IANAL

  • When you look at the websites of a lot of Polish hosting companies they aren't expensive, but as soon as you contact them asking for a customized offer (i.e. 15 TB on a shared gigabit uplink instead of 100 Mbps unmetered) they either charge you ~ 200 Euros per month or they don't react at all. We haven't experienced that in any other country.

  • Then move to another country

    Let's bet which dot-name will collapse first ;)

  • aglodekaglodek Member
    edited August 2016

    @tommy said: Then move to another country

    That's what the cream of Poland has been doing. On and off, for ages. The best educated and ambitious are leaving in droves. The end result is by far the world's most numerous diaspora abroad, relative to the population remaining in-country (~15 million abroad / ~30 million in Poland). You can easily get by in Polish and feel right at home around Chicago, USA; Toronto, Canada; Dublin, Ireland or Curitiba, Brazil; to name a few.

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  • @aglodek said:

    @tommy said: Then move to another country

    That's what the cream of Poland has been doing. On and off, for ages. The best educated and ambitious are leaving in droves. The end result is by far the world's most numerous diaspora abroad, relative to the population remaining in-country (~15 million abroad / ~30 million in Poland). You can easily get by in Polish and feel right at home around Chicago, USA; Toronto, Canada; Dublin, Ireland or Curitiba, Brazil; to name a few.

    That sounds like a country wide level of shortsightedness. Polish people are very hard working and knowledgeable, so if they just stayed in Poland and worked there to improve conditions, I'm sure you could have a standard of living just as high as the other countries in the region, if not higher.

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  • aglodekaglodek Member
    edited August 2016

    @ManofServer said:

    No argument there. Although, I'm sorry to admit, I have been seduced by the Dark Side and help those looking to relocate their business to greener pastures, specifically Hong Kong - the most business-friendly place in the world, bar none :)

    Getting back on topic here: given the less than optimal business environment in Poland, don't expect flexibility or eagerness to accept "complicated" foreign clients by hosting companies there.

    Andrew Glodek | Special Projects Director | 香港國際商務中心 HONG KONG INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS CENTRE
  • @dodheimsgard said: Sprint.pl 1 gbps line with $10 per 10TB as far as i remember. Seriously you wont find better deal per buck. I got from them Xeon 1230v3 with 32 gigs ram, 2x120gb ssd for $59 a month.

    How did you contact them? My colleague sent several mails to some of the addresses here, but never got an answer: http://www.sprint.pl/contact.html

    If you know a contact person there which we can reach directly via e-mail, please tell me his or her e-mail address via a PM!

  • @Anthony2016 said:

    @dodheimsgard said: Sprint.pl 1 gbps line with $10 per 10TB as far as i remember. Seriously you wont find better deal per buck. I got from them Xeon 1230v3 with 32 gigs ram, 2x120gb ssd for $59 a month.

    How did you contact them? My colleague sent several mails to some of the addresses here, but never got an answer: http://www.sprint.pl/contact.html

    If you know a contact person there which we can reach directly via e-mail, please tell me his or her e-mail address via a PM!

    I am interested in how they did this as well, and while I was looking I found this site https://www.sprintdatacenter.pl/ and I wondered if that is the correct URL? The prices seem very close.

  • Anthony2016Anthony2016 Member
    edited August 2016

    @Hadriel & @dodheimsgard: We contacted info[at]sprintdatacenter.pl yesterday. Hope they will at least give us reply.

    What I find strange about sprintdatacenter.pl is that they doesn't seem to have a ticket area, only this site: https://www.sprintdatacenter.pl/contact-us

    When we navigate to https://www.sprintdatacenter.pl/panel after having been logged in we see these tabs:

    Customer panel | Orders | Invoices and proforma documents | Payments | Profile | Domains

    On https://www.sprintdatacenter.pl/support there is also no ticket area.

    Did we overlook something?

  • I will ask people from that company on polish WHT about that problem - @Anthony2016 @Hadriel

  • @Anthony2016 They dont have ticket area, but they reply to emails 24/7 (less than 30 minutes response time from my experience) and you can call them by phone and tech will answer. I had dedis in over 12 DCs and sprint is one of best.

  • I got a trial server through sprintdatacenter.pl and everything went pretty smooth. I got the network configuration from them in email within 30 minutes of submitting the ticket.

    However, as people said, 20% VAT was added to the trial price and to the overall renewal price. This brings their overall price up considerably and even though the performance was good I think SmartDC and their resellers offers a value that is better. If it wasn't for the VAT for a non-VAT customer for a lower end i3 similar to what Kimsufi offers, its a pretty solid setup.

  • Anthony2016Anthony2016 Member
    edited September 2016

    Does anyone have experiences with artnet.pl in Gdańsk?

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