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    ShoveHost Canada VPS customers are being moved to BlueVM.

    ynzhengynzheng Member
    edited March 2013 in General

    Wow wow what means of this

    Got the message on twitter

    "BlueVM_vps We would like to welcome ShoveHost clients that are being migrated to BlueVM. Open up a support ticket if you need anything! "

    Soshovehos will gone?

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    • @ynzheng shovenose not going so fast

      I am not Rick

    • shovenoseshovenose Member, Provider

      ShoveHost is going to remain. We've been around since 2010/2011 and aren't going anywhere.
      However, all of our Canada VPS customers are going to BlueVM. We will still provide US VPS and even better than before!

    • @shovenose people get little confused with these moves

      I am not Rick

    • shovenoseshovenose Member, Provider

      That's why they're getting a free month of BlueVM I think. :-)

    • well
      As a customer of both shovehost and bluevm. Got nothing about this big news from th bothside what a pitty

      I have 2 canada vps with shovehost
      Can i remain one with shovehost but move it to Us location

      And move anther one to bluevm?

      How to?

    • lumaluma Member

      @ynzheng said: Can i remain one with shovehost but move it to Us location

      Why would you want to stay with a host that does not know what they are doing? He uses LEB as a personal helpdesk anytime he needs help.

      Go with a real provider and you will get much better service.

    • shovenoseshovenose Member, Provider

      @ynzheng all Canada VPS customers are being moved to BlueVM, no exceptions, sorry.
      However, since I trust BlueVM to provide a service as good or better as your ShoveHost VPS, I doubt you will have any problems and will enjoy their service.
      If you want a US VPS with us, you will probably want to wait for our next LEB offer.
      Thanks for your understanding and we appreciate your business.

    • edited March 2013

      Slightly curious as to why you didn't give the options to migrate existing Canadian customers over to your US infrastructure if they wanted.

      But anyhow, best of luck to you and those involved.

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    • JackJack Member, Provider

      @MannDude said: existing Canadian customers

      @MannDude said: over to

      @MannDude said: US infrastructure

      If BlueVM paid anything for the clients, that was silly.. I can see them cancelling next month.

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    • @luma said: Go with a real provider and you will get much better service.

    • I assume this move was due to Shovehost limiting its multi-national currency exchange risk, in parallel with a leveraged dollar options market program.

      That's just how these big enterprises roll.

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    • LeeLee Member

      So I am reading this right?

      They are keeping their US "operation" open, but moving out of Canada, giving the Canada customers to BlueVM who are in the US rather than simply moving them to their own US servers?

      I think their US customers should be looking to move to Bluevm too!

      It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt

    • NoxterNoxter Member
      edited March 2013

      You folks love to kick a fella when he is down... give the kid a break. If you're a current customer, that is understandable, but if not, please stop posting in this thread.

      @shovenose you have a duty to fulfill when serving customers. Pride yourself on doing one thing really well. Pride yourself on stability.

    • shovenoseshovenose Member, Provider

      @Noxter thank you.
      We certainly have thought about this a great deal, and the best option to enable us to provide value VPS in the long run was to not renew our Canada nodes at OVH. This was not so much a financial problem as a problem with OVH itself, as well as some of the abuse our nodes were experiencing.
      We are redefining the future of our company, in order to serve you better. Not to rip you off. Everybody on their way to BlueVM is getting a month of free service as far as I know. Our US customers will benefit from faster support response times, more effiecient operations, and an improved quality of service.
      For existing Canada customers that ordered just because it was in Canada, well, sorry. But if you simply want a VPS at a good price and are in our Canada location, we're confident that BlueVM will serve you. Of course, if you really like ShoveHost you can certainly order a VPS and we will deploy it in the US. But try BlueVM first, before you do that!

    • NekkiNekki Moderator

      @shovenose that still doesn't explain why you didn't offer US migrations to all your customers first - surely that would have made more sense than moving them on?

      Here lies Nekki. He loved massive amounts of storage, K-Pop and calling people cunts.

    • shovenoseshovenose Member, Provider

      @Nekki: Sure, any current ShoveHost VPS customer can order a ShoveHost VPS. As can anybody else. And it will be deloyed in our permanent US location.

    • LeeLee Member

      You're avoiding the question, why not offer a migration to them?

      It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt

    • seriesnseriesn Member, Provider

      @W1V_Lee said: You're avoiding the question, why not offer a migration to them?

      Because Solusvm click and go migration is not live yet.

    • JacobJacob Member
      edited March 2013

      This just has no point behind it, poor decission making, and I don't even think @shovenose him self knows what he is rambling on about, or the main point behind this.

      You're giving away customers in a Canadian location, to BlueVM who are moving them to a US Location. You deny a existing customer a migration (he offered to keep a service with shovehost aswell as bluevm, and you turned this down).

      Does anyone else see the point behind this, or am I missing something?

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    • shovenoseshovenose Member, Provider

      We discussed this at length and determined this was the best action to take to ensure the longevity of our business and to make sure that our customers do not feel scammed or ripped off, and leave ShoveHost with a positive impression.

    • JacobJacob Member
      edited March 2013

      I'm pretty excited for this, I dread migrations, as it's just so much waiting if you're doing migrations to different datacenters and then all the IP Changing. Ugh...

      @NHNahian said: Because Solusvm click and go migration is not live yet.

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    • Well thats not really a news about OVH
      They doing problems to everyone who buying more then 10-20 servers in the account.
      I just dont understand why? i mean they prefer 1 server per client i dont understand that
      for that you dont know if he will stay next month or not wean you have client with 20 servers you 100% sure the client stay with you next month and the month after that.

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    • seriesnseriesn Member, Provider

      @Jacob said: I'm pretty excited for this, I dread migrations, as it's just so much waiting if you're doing migrations to different datacenters and then all the IP Changing. Ugh...

      Atleast you know how to use cli. With a bit of scripting, migration can be automated so as solusvm db update. Depending on amount of container, I still prefer to do one after one.

    • NekkiNekki Moderator

      @shovenose you're mugging yourself off here, by avoiding the question you're just raising more question about your business and ethics. If you made a mistake, history has shown you're better off coming clean about it. Everyone knows shit happens.

      I'm just glad I cancelled when I did, I'd have been properly pissed off if I'd have started work on your promise of being able to stay in BHS only for this to happen.

      Here lies Nekki. He loved massive amounts of storage, K-Pop and calling people cunts.

    • deadpool

      Retired!

    • @shovenose Still doesn't answer the question.. Do you profit on selling the clients to BlueVM? If you want to grow your business, and ensure "longevity", wouldn't it be best to keep all the clients you can?

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    • DomainBopDomainBop Member
      edited March 2013

      This was not so much a financial problem as a problem with OVH itself,

      I feel much more confident in the long term prospects of the Shovehost Empire now that I know that paying the large sum of ($59 x 2) monthly for those SP1 desktops at OVH wasn't a strain on the Shovehost balance sheet. #Winning! :)

      a problem with OVH itself
      as well as some of the abuse our nodes were experiencing

      The problem wasn't with OVH. They're a great host IF you are using their dedicated servers to host only your own company's websites and your company doesn't require a managed support hosting environment. The problem was that you didn't listen to the advice you were given from several people here that using OVH to offer shared hosting or VPS services was a very bad idea.

      We are redefining the future of our company

      Advice from someone who's been around since the days Gopher ruled the Internet: the best way to ensure that your company has a future is to concentrate on doing one thing well and waiting to expand to new markets/products until you've achieved success in one area (kind of the opposite of what you've been doing to date with your attempts to cover all aspects of the hosting industry)

    • seriesnseriesn Member, Provider
      edited March 2013

      @DomainBop said: achieved success in one area

      Exactly how I am doing it now. I have done shared hosting for close to 5 years before deciding to move into vps and then I sold my shared hosting clients to another established provider.

      No all I focus on vps and a semi medium sized free hosting project where I use them for guinea pig and lab rats :P

      Focus in one area and shine and then use that to expand into other area and gain popularity.

    • NekkiNekki Moderator

      @NHNahian just out of interest, if you'd done well with shared hosting for so long, why sell that arm off when you expanded? I'd have thought that would have been a low-maintenance, steady cash-flow that'd be useful to keep hold of while expanding.

      Here lies Nekki. He loved massive amounts of storage, K-Pop and calling people cunts.

    • shovenoseshovenose Member, Provider

      @unused no we're not "deadpool" now or any time.
      @DomainBop Most successful companies do more than one thing.

    • seriesnseriesn Member, Provider
      edited March 2013

      @Nekki I only want to focus on VPS market right now and I want to break traditional shared hosting business and I can not do this with out losing focus on current clients and degrading quality. When you are paying for service, you expect it to be stable and steady. Also many people don't like switching to new things. It was a hard decision and I don't regret it.

      This is why next to VPS I run a free hosting project where I am free to try out new technology and without worrying about anything or any obligation. Once I am fully satisfied with some of the new things I am trying out, we will re-open shared hosting business and I hope to break how traditional shared hosting business operates.

      I have a habit of testing things for a long time before I do something and this is the reason why our KVM brand is still not live while site and nodes are ready for action :).

    • Shovenose said "Most successful companies do more than one thing."

      Most successful technology companies that do more than one thing achieved their initial success by only doing one thing and focusing on doing that one thing exceedingly well when they were startups (think Microsoft, Apple, Google, etc)

    • seriesnseriesn Member, Provider

      @DomainBop said: Most successful technology companies that do more than one thing achieved their initial success by only doing one thing and focusing on doing that one thing exceedingly well when they were startups (think Microsoft, Apple, Google, etc)

      Uh, oh, and they have people with excellent skills doing what they are supposed to ;)

    • Guys, guys..Give the CEO a break would you?

      This is going to be interesting.

    • lumaluma Member

      @shovenose said: We discussed this at length and determined this was the best action to take to ensure the longevity of our business and to make sure that our customers do not feel scammed or ripped off, and leave ShoveHost with a positive impression.

      Translated: We needed a quick amount of cash to pay our bills in our US locations.

    • IshaqIshaq Member, Provider

      I don't see the problem here. It just looks like other hosts are jealous that they didn't get the clients?

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    • @MrObvious said: Guys, guys..Give the CEO a break would you?

      He's gonna need a bonus after answering all these questions!

    • LeeLee Member

      @Ishaq said: I don't see the problem here. It just looks like other hosts are jealous that they didn't get the clients?

      We have made a deal with ShoveHost to take on their OVH based customers on to our New York hardware.

      Don't get too blinded by your own arrogance. It's a very straight forward question that is being asked by a few, nothing about being jealous.

      Given the op's posting history it's natural to suspect there is more to the move than is being suggested, but then he is not really giving an answer to that.

      I can't think of any hosts that would not at least offer migration in this situation, it's totally fishy.

      It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt

    • NekkiNekki Moderator

      @Ishaq The problem here is not that you've got the clients, it's that the explanation of why they were moved doesn't seem to make any sense.

      Here lies Nekki. He loved massive amounts of storage, K-Pop and calling people cunts.

    • IshaqIshaq Member, Provider

      @W1V_Lee said: I can't think of any hosts that would not at least offer migration in this situation, it's totally fishy.

      That isn't our concern though. It does sound "not normal" but what can I say..

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    • IshaqIshaq Member, Provider

      @Nekki said: @Ishaq The problem here is not that you've got the clients, it's that the explanation of why they were moved doesn't seem to make any sense.

      Mhm, of course.

      Mainly hosts here that are getting concerned, who probably aren't even customers.

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    • LeeLee Member
      edited March 2013

      I appreciate that and to be honest they have found a better home with you, I am only interested for the sake of their remaining clients as it smells like a deadpool coming.

      Customer or not it's all posted openly so it's fair to ask

      It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt

    • seriesnseriesn Member, Provider
      edited March 2013

      @Ishaq said: Mainly hosts here that are getting concerned, who probably aren't even customers.

      Not actually, only 3 provider posted here who advertises here. Me, Jacob and Curtis. Rest of them are either regular LET members or non competing providers.

      I am rather happy to see these clients went with you as they have a reliable and stable provider now. I am just not happy with the way it was treated and handled and looking at op's post, clients were not aware of it.

    • bobbybobby Member

      @luma said: Go with a real provider

    • NekkiNekki Moderator

      @Ishaq I'm sure that fact hasn't gone unnoticed by those why pay attention, although in fairness, many of the providers who post on this forum are genuinely customers too. I think we are on the verge of flogging a dead hose here though, as without an answer to the key question everything else is pointless speculation.

      Here lies Nekki. He loved massive amounts of storage, K-Pop and calling people cunts.

    • @Ishaq said: I don't see the problem here. It just looks like other hosts are jealous that they didn't get the clients?

      We have made a deal with ShoveHost to take on their OVH based customers on to our New York hardware.

      The issue as I see it is that ShoveHost made little effort to accommodate their clients. When faced with an issue with their Canadian node(s) their solution was to sell off the clients.

      IMHO a responsible host in that position would have: (1) offered clients a migration to ShoveHost US-based nodes; (2) for clients who bought specifically for the location, canvassed Canadian-based LEB providers to see if they would pick them up; and (3) been transparent about the situation instead of spouting trite and meaningless statements.

      But it is probably all for the best, as BlueVM is a reliable and technically competent provider....

    • @NHNahian
      Forgot me :P

      Im taking look at the offer Shove was offering at LEB

      Something telling me it was because the bill

      I did calculation for the price he offer
      he most take E3 server from OVH he cant do that on I5 server they offer becouse if he will put around 15 clients on the server it will be overload (overselling) and he gives every client 2 cpu cores

      so he probelly take E3 and if he put 35 clients (server can have max 35 ip's 32 subnet + 3 additional) 35 * 7 = $245 - $90 = $155 per month from the server.

      hmm pretty nice profit (why he sold?)

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    • seriesnseriesn Member, Provider

      @dosserversca said: Forgot me :P

      Who are you? I have no memory of you :(

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