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Rage4 Review

BunnySpeedBunnySpeed Member, Host Rep
edited April 2016 in Reviews

I have been using Rage4 DNS for various projects for the last 3-4 years and I guess I decided to write a bit about them :D

Reliability (5/5):

In the past 3 years I don't recall any downtime caused by their DNS, at least one that I'm aware of. Even if there were any problems that I didn't hear of, they must have been minimal.

Features (5/5):

Maybe I'm biased here, but they have just everything that we needed + some extra stuff that looks nice but I never looked into.

GeoDNS Routing (5/5):

There were some problems in the past cause by Google's DNS that broke their GeoDNS routing, but it has since improved. Except for China, the global routing is almost always spot on. Also their routing configuration is incredibly powerful.

Price (2/5):

I am not sure where they pull their query counts, but these are incredibly high. They changed how the queries are counted somewhere down the road, but I'm still not sure if these numbers are correct. On top of that, their current tier is 2€/mil queries which is absurd to say the least. So 50mil queries is 100€/month. After that the price is 1€/mil which is still pretty damn high, especially considering that Amazon Route 53 charges ~0.615€/mil from the start and then ~0.3€/mil. And this is ONLY if you use GeoDNS, otherwise services such as Amazon or DnsMadeEasy are even cheaper. Only at the 2500€/month does the service really get viable if you are a huge user.

The free tier is nice, but it doesn't last very long, especially thanks to the weird query counts.

I must point out that Rage4 was kind of enough to offer us the old price of 1€/mil even for a new domain, but I'm comparing the pricing listed on the page here.

I would give this 1/5 if there wasn't for their FREE tier. For a single site with a lot of bandwidth, their DNS is multiple times more expensive than the server itself.

Performance (3/5):

I thought their performance was quite nice until recently really when I did a few more tests to see if we can reach a similar performance with less servers. I noticed that queries take anywhere from 30-1200ms with them depending on the location and maybe.. cache? It's usually around 30-300ms in EU/US. We are now testing our own solution that with only 3 anycast servers on BuyVM decreased the resolution time in the US/EU to ~50-150ms and in Asia it's slower, but approximately the same in some locations.

I'm not sure if this is caused by the GeoDNS lookups, but it's sometimes quite slow.

Support (5/5):

First, I must say I'm quite easily satisfied with support.
They always responded fairly quickly (within a day?) and offered helpful advice and as I mentioned allowed us to use the old pricing tier of 1€/mil. I'm not very fond of one-liner responses, but in the end I always got what I wanted.

Overall I'd say I'm quite satisfied, but @gbshouse drop your price! :P

Thanked by 1gbshouse
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Comments

  • BunnySpeedBunnySpeed Member, Host Rep
    edited April 2016

    I edited the performance part a bit since I first posted. It was wrong a bit, just wanted to point that out :)

  • gbshousegbshouse Member, Host Rep
    edited April 2016

    Thanks for review, it's always nice to see that someone is happy with our service.

    We would be more than happy to drop the price if we would be backed up by large capital like Amazon. (Un)fortunately we are small, self funded, family owned business and we need to keep prices on certain level. If your zone requires large number of requests (when using GeoDNS or failover) you can always move to one of the flat fee packages.

    Regarding performance we are constantly improving our infrastructure and network performance (for example last evening we have added completely new setup in Japan).

    Edit: one more thing regarding request counting - we only count requests actually processed by our backends, the results served from local cache (unfortunately not yet distributes) are not counted

    Thanked by 1BunnySpeed
  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Patron Provider
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  • BunnySpeedBunnySpeed Member, Host Rep
    edited April 2016

    @gbshouse said:
    Thanks for review, it's always nice to see that someone is happy with our service.

    We would be more than happy to drop the price if we would be backed up by large capital like Amazon. (Un)fortunately we are small, self funded, family owned business and we need to keep prices on certain level. If your zone requires large number of requests (when using GeoDNS or failover) you can always move to one of the flat fee packages.

    Regarding performance we are constantly improving our infrastructure and network performance (for example last evening we have added completely new setup in Japan).

    Edit: one more thing regarding request counting - we only count requests actually processed by our backends, the results served from local cache (unfortunately not yet distributes) are not counted

    I really don't want to look too negative, because I really do like Rage4, so complaining about these things make me cringe a little. :)

    Your pricing has increased a lot this year actually, you used to offer a 30€ unlimited plan or something like that. Which of course is unsustainable, but now you changed that to 15mil queries for 30€.

    What's bothering me about the performance isn't the number of locations that you have. Those look great, but for example I just did a test from Tokyo: Query time: 565 msec and 1 minute earlier it was 140 msec. It looks like certain requests are returned from cache quite quickly, while others take a while.

  • FuslFusl Member

    BunnySpeed said: What's bothering me about the performance isn't the number of locations that you have. Those look great, but for example I just did a test from Tokyo: Query time: 565 msec and 1 minute earlier it was 140 msec.

    The joys of 5+ anycast locations but less than 100+. Depending on carrier you'll see that with every CDN/anycast provider.

  • gbshousegbshouse Member, Host Rep

    @BunnySpeed - please remember that our network is optimized for communication with public DNS servers, for end users it might not look perfect (comparing with recursive DNS or CDN networks)

    @Fusl - true, true, I had to code small AI for route optimization

    Thanked by 1Clouvider
  • @gbshouse

    What I'm interested in is why/how almost every review/thread I see about you guys (and my experiences as well), indicate inflated/strange query counts.

    While I'm not trying to accuse you guys of any intentional funny business, don't you feel it warrants another visit at how the queries are counted?

  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Patron Provider

    @Jonchun queries about your domain name are generally out of your control ? Even if you keep the domain secret? I suppose that's the best explanation.

  • @Clouvider said:
    @Jonchun queries about your domain name are generally out of your control ? Even if you keep the domain secret? I suppose that's the best explanation.

    Well yea, but domains at other DNS providers never generate several thousand queries within hours of signing up. It just seems to be isolated to Rage4's counting. (It's pretty damn consistent too)

  • BunnySpeedBunnySpeed Member, Host Rep
    edited April 2016

    ** Deleted to not cause confusion when someone finds this.

  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Patron Provider

    You aren't really comparing apples to apples @BunnySpeed, small thing can make a big change.

  • BunnySpeedBunnySpeed Member, Host Rep

    @Clouvider said:
    You aren't really comparing apples to apples @BunnySpeed, small thing can make a big change.

    Thus the big bold letters explaining that there might be something wrong and that it's not a 100% comparison. However, it's a huge difference nevertheless. And.. In 2014 I was using amazon, then immediately switched to Rage4. The query count jumped from 2 million per month to.. What do you think? 13 million.

  • Perhaps they should consider adding such a debugging feature - log all queries for a domain for one minute. Then these queries can be shown to the customer, together with all the data - IP addresses, time received, etc. And the customer can do the counting himself.

    Thanked by 1Jonchun
  • gbshousegbshouse Member, Host Rep

    I've already explained this several times but well let's do it again:

    Few details regarding our infrastructure: each location contains at least 3 DNS nodes, each DNS node contains DNS server and database. The DNS server itself have local cache so responses with TTL higher the certain level are cached for few minutes. If request hits our backend it's counted, if not it's not counted. On router level we do ECMP BGP load balancing. Unfortunately since we are using local cache (and not distributed) not all responses are served from cache - let's say IP a.b.c.d makes request, ECMP sends it to node1, response is served and cached, then b.c.d.e makes the same request but ECMP send it to node2 which doesn't have response in cache. The ECMP is done on Linux Kernel level (@rds100 you remember the story with kernels > 3.8 right?). Additionally the same behavior is for IPv6. We've done some experiments with distributed cache but results are poor (at least not suitable for high performance DNS ).

    Hope that this will give you some insight how it works (and yes I've coded most of the stuff myself so I'm 100% sure what's inside ;) ).

    Thanked by 1BunnySpeed
  • HackedServerHackedServer Member
    edited April 2016

    The routes to their anycast have always been confusing to me: http://ping.pe/ns1.r4ns.net
    It looks like it has improved a little, but it is still odd that Dallas gets 30ms but Atlanta gets 150ms. Most of the US locations are pretty bad.

    @BunnySpeed Have you looked at getting a partner account? I have an IWStack account and its comes with a free Rage4 partner account that seems to have 100m queries per zone. If 2€/mil queries is really the price they say its worth then the partner account is worth quite a lot.

    EDIT: Removed response times, my testing was erroneous.

  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Patron Provider

    @rds100 said:
    Perhaps they should consider adding such a debugging feature - log all queries for a domain for one minute. Then these queries can be shown to the customer, together with all the data - IP addresses, time received, etc. And the customer can do the counting himself.

    That would raise privacy issues. Suddenly Rage4 would have logs of what particular person, to an IP level was browsing and when.

  • yomeroyomero Member
    edited April 2016

    Clouvider said: That would raise privacy issues

    Maybe as an advanced opt-in feature?

    And with a small retention period

  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Patron Provider
    edited April 2016

    @yomero said:

    Clouvider said: That would raise privacy issues

    Maybe as an advanced opt-in feature?

    And with a small retention period

    I was thinking from a website visitor point of view + all the legal compliance, privacy policies, etc. Not to mention that it's a global service, so data export inside/outside EU/US and other countries, each with different law, nah, just too much legal burden for my personal taste :-).

  • Clouvider said: That would raise privacy issues. Suddenly Rage4 would have logs of what particular person, to an IP level was browsing and when.

    So what if you point your domain to your own name servers and run tcpdump, is this a different privacy issue?
    Of course the logging wouldn't be active all the time, it would be activated on request by the customer for his own domain and would only be active for one minute.

  • cfgguycfgguy Member, Host Rep

    We are also using rage4 along with Amazon route for our cdn. No downtimes so far but Amazon latency feature has an edge over them .

  • I am also using them for some of my projects and really happy! @gbshouse Thanks for the good service..

  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Patron Provider

    @rds100 said:

    Clouvider said: That would raise privacy issues. Suddenly Rage4 would have logs of what particular person, to an IP level was browsing and when.

    So what if you point your domain to your own name servers and run tcpdump, is this a different privacy issue?
    Of course the logging wouldn't be active all the time, it would be activated on request by the customer for his own domain and would only be active for one minute.

    It's not as simple, as this is not you, but a third party, processing, exchanging and storing the data that are later transferred over the ocean. I'm not a lawyer, just saying that if I'd be Rage4, I wouldn't sail these waters.

  • BunnySpeedBunnySpeed Member, Host Rep
    edited May 2016

    Really? I just noticed this..

    3€ + VAT for 1,1mil DNS queries?

    First of all 250k queries should be free. No? Shouldn't this mean a 1€ charge + 1€ for the zone?
    I don't even know what to say. I've been testing different DNS options and the query count is also much lower all of a sudden.

    Not sure if I'm ever coming back... This is way too expensive not to mention it's all starting to look kind of shady.

  • BunnySpeedBunnySpeed Member, Host Rep
    edited May 2016
  • @BunnySpeed

    For what it's worth:

    dnsmadeeasy.com for $30 a year you get 10 domains and 5 million queries included and what is very likely the fastest Anycast DNS around.

    I have 9 domains and average about 200K queries a month. These are not very busy sites, but they are not dead.

    Thanked by 1Kris
  • BunnySpeedBunnySpeed Member, Host Rep
    edited May 2016

    @globalRegisters said:
    @BunnySpeed

    For what it's worth:

    dnsmadeeasy.com for $30 a year you get 10 domains and 5 million queries included and what is very likely the fastest Anycast DNS around.

    I have 9 domains and average about 200K queries a month. These are not very busy sites, but they are not dead.

    Thanks :) I'm aware they are great, but I'm just wondering what the hell Rage4 is doing. I had such a good opinion (except for the price) of them before but it just went poof.

  • edited May 2016

    @BunnySpeed said:
    Thanks :) I'm aware they are great, but I'm just wondering what the hell Rage4 is doing. I had such a good opinion (except for the price) of them before but it just went poof.

    Their high query count has been an issue since day one.

    I have never been their client, just seen lots of posts about this.

  • BunnySpeedBunnySpeed Member, Host Rep
    edited May 2016

    @globalRegisters said:

    @BunnySpeed said:
    Thanks :) I'm aware they are great, but I'm just wondering what the hell Rage4 is doing. I had such a good opinion (except for the price) of them before but it just went poof.

    Their high query count has been an issue since day one.

    EDIT: nevermind, figured it out.

  • edited May 2016

    @BunnySpeed

    It will be interesting to see how they come up with their final numbers.

  • BunnySpeedBunnySpeed Member, Host Rep
    edited May 2016

    @globalRegisters said:
    @BunnySpeed

    It will be interesting to see how they come up with their final numbers.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20140703184228/https://rage4.com/Home/DNS

    It seems that the 1€ charge is still there and the 250k free usage is ignored. Great.
    Basically it's free, unless you use it all, then it's paid.

    I edited the original comments in order not to spread wrong info.

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