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Wholesale / Datashack Network changes
pubcrawler
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Folks with Datashack notice some network changes recently?
Seeing Tata doing transit to Datashack from Chicago (uggh!). Wasn't there before. Wholesale customers appear to still be going over HE:
Datashack:
13: if-17-0.tcore1.CT8-Chicago.as6453.net 28.194ms
14: if-22-2.tcore2.CT8-Chicago.as6453.net 58.897ms
15: 64.86.79.26 28.304ms
16: 144.232.1.103 38.010ms
17: 144.232.11.232 55.127ms asymm 19
18: sl-gw16-kc-1-0-0.sprintlink.net 54.875ms asymm 20
19: sl-cityo35-1-0.sprintlink.net 55.873ms asymm 21
20: 72.22.211.1 89.181ms asymm 21
Wholesale:
13: 64.209.100.33 39.659ms
14: HURRICANE-ELECTRIC-LLC.GigabitEthernet3-23.ar2.CHI2.gblx.net 56.438ms
15: 10gigabitethernet1-1.core1.mci1.he.net 73.651ms
16: 10gigabitethernet1-1.core1.mci2.he.net 70.414ms
Latency for me, to Datashack now is greatly inflated.
To Wholesale:
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 57.055/62.693/73.538/3.618 ms
To Datashack:
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 82.354/91.203/101.406/4.610 ms
62ms vs. 91ms.
Comments
Is this one more vote for Wholesale Internet?
Yeah it certainly would be a reason to select Wholesale over Datashack.
Tested from several remote nodes and seeing same sort of thing. HE+Cogent to Wholesale and Sprint + Tata (in some locations) to Datashack.
Nope. Still Cogent for me
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
C:\Users\Michel>tracert openvz2.shovenet.com
Tracing route to openvz2.shovenet.com [173.208.211.98]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 30 ms 15 ms 23 ms c-98-210-224-1.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.210.224.1
]
3 10 ms 8 ms 10 ms te-7-6-ur02.sanrafael.ca.sfba.comcast.net [68.85
.216.165]
4 9 ms 9 ms 10 ms te-9-3-ur01.sanrafael.ca.sfba.comcast.net [68.87
.192.141]
5 15 ms 14 ms 11 ms te-1-8-0-7-ar01.sfsutro.ca.sfba.comcast.net [69.
139.198.106]
6 16 ms 11 ms 11 ms he-1-7-0-0-cr01.sanjose.ca.ibone.comcast.net [68
.86.90.153]
7 13 ms 13 ms 14 ms pos-0-7-0-0-pe01.529bryant.ca.ibone.comcast.net
[68.86.88.202]
8 13 ms 13 ms 11 ms te0-0-0-12.ccr21.sjc04.atlas.cogentco.com [154.5
4.13.17]
9 12 ms 14 ms 14 ms te0-3-0-7.mpd22.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54
.88.229]
10 56 ms 56 ms 57 ms te0-0-0-2.mpd22.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54
.6.33]
11 56 ms 55 ms 56 ms everest.demarc.cogentco.com [38.104.86.2]
12 56 ms 57 ms 55 ms 69.30.209.138
13 58 ms 67 ms 60 ms 206.131.207.43
14 56 ms 57 ms 160 ms 173.208.211.98
Trace complete.
C:\Users\Michel>
@shovenose, that IP you tested is at Wholesale, not Datashack. So yeah, still goes Cogent or HE.
This is from BuyVM Buffalo to an IP at Datashack:
4: nyk-bb1-link.telia.net 156.532ms asymm 6
5: te9-7.ccr01.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com 10.635ms asymm 9
6: sprint-119853-nyk-b1.telia.net 10.109ms asymm 8
7: te0-5-0-6.ccr21.jfk07.atlas.cogentco.com 11.003ms
8: sl-crs3-nyc-0-5-5-0.sprintlink.net 21.422ms asymm 11
9: sl-crs4-nyc-0-3-5-0.sprintlink.net 18.779ms asymm 11
10: sl-crs1-dc-0-0-0-1.sprintlink.net 34.692ms asymm 11
11: sl-crs2-dc-0-0-0-1.sprintlink.net 37.744ms
12: sl-gw16-kc-1-0-0.sprintlink.net 49.467ms
13: sl-gw16-kc-0-0-0.sprintlink.net 49.293ms asymm 12
i think last night they were getting dos'd really hard, so they may have made some routing changes, not sure.
According to this, Datashack is now using some Sprint via AS11708
That's strange, I haven't really seen Sprint used much lately. I have no idea how they stand in pricing/reliability. Gonna be interesting to watch
sprint is usually a last mile carrier, not sure why the fuck hell they're used by datashack. guess they're really cheap.
@KernelSanders Sprint are surprisingly decent and have their own global network, although they are declining:
http://www.renesys.com/blog/2013/01/a-bakers-dozen-2012-edition.shtml
@fly - they have different businesses, but as far as IP transit they are far from just last mile.
Thanks for the link @unused, has some really good info there
I've seen Sprint and old MCI stuff via the Wholesale/Datashack combo before. Assumed they were artifacts of old --- routers and companies acquired and never renamed. The Sprint I am seeing now though, is clearly really Sprint.
I have a colo server at Datashack and a VPS over in Oak with Wholesale (via a VPS company).
Was able to get 60-100M/s between two before. Now at 30M/s.
Here's the traceroute from Wholesale to Datashack. Totally messed up route:
2: 10gigabitethernet1-1.core1.mci3.he.net 0.364ms asymm 3
3: kanc-b1-link.telia.net 0.336ms asymm 5
4: dls-bb1-link.telia.net 12.127ms asymm 5
5: sprint-ic-144285-dls-bb1.c.telia.net 12.421ms asymm 6
6: 144.232.25.189 14.024ms asymm 7
7: 144.232.1.162 14.194ms asymm 8
8: 144.232.20.57 25.569ms asymm 9
9: sl-gw16-kc-1-0-0.sprintlink.net 24.603ms asymm 10
10: sl-cityo35-1-0.sprintlink.net 37.224ms asymm 11
11: 72.22.211.1 12.404ms asymm 6
Packets have to go to Telia (I fu**ing hate Telia lately). Then to Dallas to hand off to Sprint... then back to Kansas City.
@TheHackBox, can you post or send the tool you are using showing Sprint with Datashack?
@pubcrawler http://bgp.he.net/AS11708#_peers
http://bgp.he.net/AS26193#_peers
Yea datashack peers with The Kansas City Internet eXchange.
Datashack = Wholesale... Same company and what @Hackbox posted muddies the water more as Wholesaledatacenter.com lists Datashack address as it's own.
KCIX is owned/operated by Wholesale. Never thought of that exchange as much more than local handoff peering. Upstream to get out to the internet didn't seem like it was happening there. Suspect I am wrong there possibly.
Wholesaledatacenter website says:
Bandwidth from our redundant pool of Sprint, Cogent and Level 3
No L3 there for sure... That I see.
WTF is up with the peering to City of North Kansas City, MO? Must just be the City using Wholesale as an upstream. Don't think Wholesale is shipping data over government network to get to Sprint.
Kansas City had been one of the best all round networks in the US up until this...
And I wonder why, they have a PoP in KC..
A Cogent/HE blend being one of the all around best networks in the US... sure.
DS/WSI aren't (weren't, I guess?) very bad at all, high throughput at least..
Well @TheHackBox, for general all around good routes and latency it was very good. Benefits obviously from geography and proximity to other major data hubs. Throughput was quite high also.
I'm seeing routes through Sprint, looks like it is picked up by Link City who is one of DSes upstreams:
BGP routing table entry for 72.22.211.0/24
Paths: (3 available, best #3, table Default-IP-Routing-Table)
3356 1239 11708 26193
6939 1299 1239 11708 26193
174 1239 11708 26193
https://www.datashack.net/vps/
Still "Coming soon"? might as well remove the link to it then, been like that for 5months+
Lots of companies do that early, "we do it to" thing. @Nexus Agree though.
Plenty of providers use L3 in Kansas City. There's even Level3 in Oak tower, just not available in the Wholesale facility.
No, wholesale and DS are still 2 separate companies, but have a good amount in common (including support staff).
@Nexus Ikr I asked them about it like 4 months ago they had no idea when they were going to do it.
@dot_txt, they are two different paper companies. That is it.
Does Datashack have a co owner? Assumed.
Real estate where Datashack is, is owned by the owner of Wholesale.
Datashack has little to no staff of it's own. Support and staff is all Wholesale.
Paper differences.
Still is different though
No damn difference. Really. At least until now.
Even the network was the same.
Prior to recently, you could get a lower price and faster connect speed at Datashack.
Same company.
Nope different