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    LET users moving from VMs to dedicated?

    blackblack Member
    edited February 2016 in General

    I've noticed a general trend towards interest in dedicated servers, more so than VMs.

    Personally, my projects are getting big enough that it requires dedicated servers, but still some websites work well on a VM. I definitely have more dedicated servers than I did last year.

    Are we all growing up and we have more money to throw at servers? Are our projects getting bigger that need dedicated resources? Are dedicated servers the next fun thing to play with instead of VMs? Discuss.

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    • VPSensationalVPSensational Member
      edited February 2016

      I've had a cheap Dedibox from Online.net and switched back to a quality VPS. I'd rather have a fair share of a great server with a quality CPU and SSD than my very own ancient piece of junk with a weak CPU and slow HDD.

      It probably doesn't hold true for the dirt-cheap oversold LE* OVZ VPS services, but I've found myself with faster response times on my websites with a good quality KVM SSD VPS than I did with my Dedibox.

      Good topic and I hope we get some different views.

    • sirmbhesirmbhe Member
      edited February 2016

      I think mostly because the price of dedicated server has went down so much that it is priced same or cheaper than a VM. Now we can get an octa core server for $20-30/month. Having the roughly similiar spec-ed VM, let's say on DigitalOcean or Linode could cost us 3-4 times more than that. So yeah, I think it is more about pricing than anything else. Cmiiw

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    • SilvengaSilvenga Member
      edited February 2016

      LET is a hobby for me. It's also a learning experience and I've learned all I can with VM's (I still have VM's for side projects). I'm now learning more about routing, IPv6, how data centers are setup, creating VM's, etc. These things are best done with a dedicated.

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    • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

      Dedicated servers and smart servers are getting more affordable, so that probably having an impact.

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    • AmitzAmitz Member
      edited February 2016

      @jbiloh said:
      Dedicated servers and smart servers are getting more affordable, so that probably having an impact.

      The only smart server that I know of is my wife and she can be quite expensive. What's your definition?

      P.S.: Please don't tell my wife about this poor joke... Promised? She might return me back to the caveman asylum where she picked me up out of pity decades ago...

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    • i can imagine that alot of people start to get tired of vps providers that promise a amount of resources but whenever you truely start to utilize these resources they turn off your server.

    • doughmanesdoughmanes Member
      edited February 2016

      I made a prediction a year ago about this with dedicated servers meeting the price prediction I had but strangely my discussions with providers who do both VPS and dedicated or just dedicated only in the "low end" budgets show that customers strangely still prefer a VPS.

      The more 'power user' customers are using dedicated servers like myself. Dacentec's RTO offers got me off the VPS addiction.

      My new theory is they collect and hoard VPS servers for some weird reason.

      How to clean up a questionable reputation: throw the kids some BF/CM offers.

    • jarjar Provider

      @Mark_R said:
      i can imagine that alot of people start to get tired of vps providers that promise a amount of resources but whenever you truely start to utilize these resources they turn off your server.

      Definitely, and I think a lot of that stems from an inability to recognize when you should be using a VM and when you should have dedicated hardware.

      Both have their use cases, neither would be a better choice than the other in all cases, but both would definitely be better in individual cases. It goes without saying that I still use a lot of VMs, but a hefty portion are on my own RAID10 backed dedis :)

    • @jbiloh said:
      Dedicated servers and smart servers are getting more affordable, so that probably having an impact.

      You mean 19$/m for E3, 16gb ram, 1tb hdd and 10tb traffic, right?

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    • Depends on what you need, doesn't it?

      Also personally managing 2-5 dedicated servers is easier than say 30-40 virtual ones. And might be even cheaper.

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    • @jarland said:
      Definitely, and I think a lot of that stems from an inability to recognize when you should be using a VM and when you should have dedicated hardware.

      It shouldnt matter, you pay for a vps plan with a specific set of resource specifications that fit your needs, you expect that you're going to be able to fully utilize this amount of resources because it is advertised as such by the provider. if the provider cannot allow full consumption of the assigned resources then they shouldnt offer it, doing so is just not being straight upfront.

    • VPSensational said: I've found myself with faster response times on my websites with a good quality KVM SSD VPS than I did with my Dedibox.

      Are you using a EU VPS or comparing US VPS to a dedicated server in France?

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    • jarjar Provider
      edited February 2016

      Mark_R said: if the provider cannot allow full consumption of the assigned resources then they shouldnt offer it, doing so is just not being straight upfront.

      I mean they usually are. There are exceptions to that. Most don't say "Dedicated CPU cores" for example. It's generally expected that people aren't buying VMs that don't understand what they are.

    • The sites that I manage could run off a small VPS most of the time but all have sudden and sometimes longer spikes in traffic which can lead to disruption on the node. I love to be a friendly neighbour and don't want to either disturb other customers or my provider in his sleep. Therefore I moved more and more to dedicated servers, especially now as they have become so much more affordable than 5-10 years before.

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    • @jarland said:
      I mean they usually are. There are exceptions to that. Most don't say "Dedicated CPU cores" for example. It's generally expected that people aren't buying VMs that don't understand what they are.

      whenever someone knows how vps are operated or not is irrelevant, you advertise x specs you should provide it too and not punish a user who just consumes what he paid for. if you think that false advertising is acceptable then you might aswel just come out and say so.

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    • jarjar Provider
      edited February 2016

      Mark_R said: whenever someone knows how vps are operated or not is irrelevant, you advertise x specs you should provide it too and not punish a user who just consumes what he paid for. if you think that false advertising is acceptable then you might aswel just come out and say so.

      I was just having a nice conversation, you're just being defensive and argumentative. I'll avoid speaking to you again, my mistake for trying to have a light hearted conversation. You can argue with someone else.

    • I mean who seriously believes they're going to get a full core on a fast food dollar menu budget?

      How to clean up a questionable reputation: throw the kids some BF/CM offers.

    • @jarland said:
      I was just having a nice conversation, you're just being a defensive prick. I'll avoid speaking to you again, my mistake.

      Go back to your Nguyen server, you miserable role model.

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    • @jarland said:
      I was just having a nice conversation, you're just being a defensive prick. I'll avoid speaking to you again, my mistake.

      i wasnt trying to offend you in any way. if you feel like i did then i apologize.

      kinda odd you back out now though.

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    • jarjar Provider
      edited February 2016

      Mark_R said: kinda odd you back out now though.

      Not really. Just because you wanted to have an argument doesn't mean I wanted to :)

      I do what I want.

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    • Mark_R said: whenever someone knows how vps are operated or not is irrelevant

      Naa, its still a shared resource environment, thats the absolute basic detail you need to know if your buying one.

      If you don't you should be buying a managed service, or understand it was your mistake and learn from it, I don't get on a bus and expect the driver to tell everyone else to hold the fuck on while he takes a dedicated route to drop me off.

      I do understand where your coming from though, ram should be yours, and you should be able to use as much CPU as is defined in the FUP.

      No one buys a VPS that does not first know the basics of how a PC works in general, if your dad is running a GPU miner your game of candy crush will suffer :)

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    • Mark_R said: you advertise x specs you should provide it too and not punish a user who just consumes what he paid for

      I've never suspended anyone for consuming the advertised resources, but when they do, they usually become abusive to their neighbors, and will spend more time arguing that fact than it would take them to fix their out of control system. I've found it best to turn it around on them, if someone else was causing their system to suffer, would you expect me to address the issue with them?

      @Mark_R you seem to be hell bent on the advertised specs, but are the advertised specs sustainable? If they are clearly not sustainable, you will find many ghosts lurking that will pop out on you at some point, now what?

      If you purchase only what you know you need then proceed to use 100% of that, how are you going to handle any uptick in demand? Most people provision/purchase based on leaving themselves headroom for random spikes in resource needs. So if you are just trying to prove a point, I get it, but look at your arguments flaws as well.

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    • @jarland said:
      I do what I want.

      What is all that recent "I do what I want" and "It is like it is" stuff about that is coming from you? Any personal crisis? Pissed by your partner? It is really striking and seems like a late puberty flash. What's going on, @jarland?

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    • @mitgib

      my arguments never will be good enough for everyone and thats completely fine. as long the main point gets there its all good, english is not my primary language so that definitly will ruin some things that i try to get agross.

      just like @jarland i'll be backing out. whats that saying again? agree to disagree? ;D

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    • "I do what I want" could be a Southpark reference

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    • jarjar Provider

      Amitz said: What is all that recent "I do what I want" and "It is like it is" stuff about that is coming from you? Any personal crisis? Pissed by your partner? It is really striking and seems like a late puberty flash. What's going on, @jarland?

      Not really a discussion for this thread is it? ;)

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    • @doughmanes said:
      Are you using a EU VPS or comparing US VPS to a dedicated server in France?

      I'm located in the UK and my VPS is also in the UK. There's no appreciable difference in latency between the two, the VPS is just a stronger machine than the Online.net box.

      It's also good to be off Online.net's cess pool of a network - so many of the junk brute force attacks come from 62.210.0.0/16. I'd rather my legit sites weren't in that filthy range!

    • @Mark_R said:
      i can imagine that alot of people start to get tired of vps providers that promise a amount of resources but whenever you truely start to utilize these resources they turn off your server.

      I agree with this explanation.

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    • It's not just a trend towards VMs, it's a trend against small and new providers.

      I'd imagine it's just a matter of reaching a large enough proportion of people who have either gotten sick of being burned by shithosts or gotten sick of seeing other people be burned by shithosts.

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    • @tr1cky said:
      You mean 19$/m for E3, 16gb ram, 1tb hdd and 10tb traffic, right?

      Where? :o

    • AmitzAmitz Member
      edited February 2016

      @vans1997 said:
      Where? :o

      Don't ask. You are entering a world of pain.

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    • Primary reason is probably cheap dedis from established and respected providers.

      Also agree with lbft. There's a lot of flakiness about these smaller outfits, it's easier to deal with more predictable/reliable/known providers, and resources. There's an attitude prevalent on these kind of forums and also with providers, partly because of some of the custom they attract.

      ATM my server mix is 20 dedis, 350 VPS and 50 shared hosts. Out of 'managing' these (I dont really need to do anything other than set them up)... it's the small time VPS providers that are a pain in the arse. IP migrations, frivolous emails, big bold warnings about which ports should be used and how...

      I'd rather deal with an OVH or even a Hostgator than deal with the kind of tone you get from these smaller time outfits, much like I'd expect a board rep to keep a civil tone. /lolz

    • SetsuraSetsura Member
      edited February 2016

      @ricardo said:
      Primary reason is probably cheap dedis from established and respected providers.

      >

      I'd rather deal with an OVH or even a Hostgator than deal with the kind of tone you get from these smaller time outfits, much like I'd expect a board rep to keep a civil tone. /lolz

      Basically this. I'd rather deal with OVH, and all their flaws, than a lot of VPS hosts.

      Don't get me wrong though, I still have quite a few VPSes, but nothing important goes onto a VPS anymore these days.

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    • GM2015GM2015 Member
      edited February 2016

      Plus you can't really put 30TB photos and videos on a 100GB virtual disk.

      Setsura said: Don't get me wrong though, I still have quite a few VPSes, but nothing important goes onto a VPS anymore these days.

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    • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Provider

      I prefer VPSs over dedicated servers but I'll take my colocated server over a VPS any day. :)

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    • i prefer to build and colo my personal hardware

      My comments are mine and mine alone, and do not reflect the opinion of my business

    • KuJoe said: I prefer VPSs over dedicated servers but I'll take my colocated server over a VPS any day. :)

      That makes perfect sense!

      (where did you say you were from again?)

    • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Provider

      @Ole_Juul said:

      I live in the US (Florida).

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    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

      @KuJoe said:

      Wait, I thought you went to Denver?

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    • A good virtual server cost $10 or $20 bucks why not buy a dedicated server at the same price. I see users moving from virtual servers to dedicated servers simply because the prices are pretty much the same.

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    • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Provider

      @Francisco said:

      I moved back a few months ago.

      VyprNetworks said: A good virtual server cost $10 or $20 bucks why not buy a dedicated server at the same price.

      For me it's budget, all of my projects rely on a lot of servers in different locations so my budget for each one is about $20/year. Most of them are extremely reliable and come with more resources than I'll ever need also.

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    • I was just curious why a colocated wouldn't be dedicated.

    • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Provider

      @Ole_Juul said:
      I was just curious why a colocated wouldn't be dedicated.

      Because I'm not paying for the colocation. :)

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    • I host around 20 websites with less than 2k visits per day on two VPSes. Good VPS deals are still way cheaper than Dedicated servers.

    • SetsuraSetsura Member
      edited February 2016

      @KuJoe said:
      I prefer VPSs over dedicated servers but I'll take my colocated server over a VPS any day. :)

      @GCat said:
      i prefer to build and colo my personal hardware

      Yeah I'm likely going the colo route soon myself, I've constantly run into limitations with what I can do on dedicated servers in terms of hardware config versus keeping decent pricing. Colo is the next logical step for me, sadly where I live now(NorCal) has basically no decent priced colo places. I'm moving back to Florida soon though where I'll probably grab some space at GoRack in Jacksonville.

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    • @VPSensational said:
      I'd rather have a fair share of a great server with a quality CPU and SSD than my very own ancient piece of junk with a weak CPU and slow HDD.

      Think in general that's my position too, another huge advantage for me is that you can kill & rebuild a VPS over and over and learn as you go. I know you can do this with Dedicated but sure you get my point. I have learnt so much in the past 12 months with that approach.

      I was considering a dedi to start looking at virtualization etc and at some point I probably will but as OP said and I have quoted above...

      I don't have any relation/affiliation with any LET Host, All of my comments are my own

    • Just remember a large number of people who buy LET offers won't be very vocal (unless something goes wrong). People still are and always will be buying $15 yearly VPS's with insane resources from unknown providers and hosting important projects with no backups.

      $20 can be a lot to spend on a dedicated server for some people, and just because it's a dedicated provider with a ton of hardware does not mean they will be any more reliable, look at burstnet for example (or even dacentec with their recent power issues).

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    • @apidevlab said:
      I was considering a dedi to start looking at virtualization etc and at some point I probably will but as OP said and I have quoted above...

      I've looked at this, but the price of a dedi and the price of additional IPv4s to create my own VMs all starts to add up to more than the price of a few decent quality VMs, either with one provider or spread across a few. I'm not talking junk, but good quality VMs from a reputable provider.

      I also can't justify the time and effort required to maintain my own dedi with my own virtualisation infrastructure when I can just pay a provider to do it for me, and have virtualisation experts maintain things.

    • I don't think people realize how much $ is floating around on LET. As projects grow, it's only natural that the resources do as well.

    • PremiumNPremiumN Member
      edited February 2016

      look at burstnet for example (or even dacentec Delimiter with their recent power issues).

      Fixed

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